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Iran Air And The 747-100

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:56 pm

Hi there,

I just had a thought about IR and their 741's. I shot one at LHR a few weeks ago and I was curious as to when they would probably stop flying them? They must be getting quite old now!!


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Someone actually commented this photo too, and it kinda led me to this question for people in "the know".

Looking forward to any comments on this one.

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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:15 pm

Iran Air has four 747s, one remaining -SP (out of four), one -100B and two -200 Combis, the newest aircraft are 1979 veterans, the others, 1976. How long will they operate them, well - as long as they have to. There are sanctions in place and unfortunately, IR is a victim of these, so it'll just have to continue to operate them as long as it can.

The continuing stand-off over nuclear power is working against them; ironically, the EU offer to the Iranians included a number of incentives, including new commercial aircraft (the US was also willing to allow parts to be acquired for these Boeings); however, with Iran's part in supplying the Hezzies, I'm not sure if that still stands. The Iranians have until the end of the month, but Pres. Ahmedinejad's most recent comments don't give much hope for compromise.
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:44 pm

Anybody knows all the routes of IR 747-100 in the past? and year or decade of service?

I have a HOMA (Iran Air in-flight magazine) circa1978 and it says inside that IR inaugurated a 747 THR-Shiraz-Rome route that year-----anybody knows if it was a 741 or 747SP? I miss those glory years of IR during the Shah Reza Pahlavi regime when IR 747SP was a regular at JFK via LHR or CDG.

Thanks for the info.
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:17 am

I saw Iran's 747 in japan at NRT some years ago. About the same saw the big green Iraqi 747 over by the UAL stand. 20 or more years at least
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:21 am

Nice looking photo. How was the spotting out there that day mate?  Wink
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:25 am

Would sanctions apply if IR were to lease newer a/c that weren't registered in Iran?
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:36 am

For the moment you can see the 747 (200 / 100 / SP ) in the following places:
London Heathrow / Manchester
Paris Orly / Geneva
Cologne / Hamburg / Frankfurt / Vienna
Copenhagen / Gothenburg / Stockholm
Damascus
Larnaca
Jeddah
Dubai
Karachi
Mumbai
Kuala Lumpur
Beijing
Tokyo

Note that equipment changes are frequent and many time Airbus A300 show up instead. Other international destinations usually are served by airbus A300 or A310 but again always a possibility that sometimes the 747 shows up.

Sorry if a missed a few, this is all from my memory!
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:08 am

Thanks for all the input so far. I can't believe some of their fleet has been flying around for 30 years! Those pups are older than me!!

I've actually flown on EP-IAB their only remaining 747-SP!  Smile

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 4):
Nice looking photo. How was the spotting out there that day mate?

It was awesome, I met with random guy there. Had a pint and some lunch together! You shoulda been there!  Wink

Cheers,
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:29 am

Indeed a very unique photo nowadays. Congrats Justin! How many airlines are still using the 747-100 on international routes? I can only think of Iran Air....?

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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Indeed a very unique photo nowadays. Congrats Justin! How many airlines are still using the 747-100 on international routes? I can only think of Iran Air....?

Thanks!! Big grin

I think JAL use them, Thai Orient as passenger aircraft. For freight Kalitta Air, and Evergreen International Cargo. Not many, if any, others thought?!

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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 7):
I've actually flown on EP-IAB their only remaining 747-SP!

When and on what route Justin ?

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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 10):
When and on what route Justin ?

CGN-CGN, a pleasure flight arranged by: http://www.airevents.de.

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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 7):
I've actually flown on EP-IAB their only remaining 747-SP!

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EP-IAD is the only -SP flying today.

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EP-IAB has been grounded since some time now (probably late 2004 or early 2005) but will be back into service soon, after EGPWS installation (mandatory since March 2005).

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To stay on topic, I think IR has no really choice but to keep their current fleet flying. They can't get anything else due to the embargo. So they try to keep the aircraft in a "as-best-as-possible" condition with what they have, i.e. other grounded aircraft parts, homemade modifications and probably parts from illegal markets. Money is probably not the problem.
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:57 am

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 12):
EP-IAD is the only -SP flying today.

Oh crap, really! Oops my bad! Thanks for the correction!  Smile

I hope IR stay in the sky anyway!!

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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:01 am

Is that not a 742 in the pic?
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 14):
Is that not a 742 in the pic?

Nope, the top pic by jkw777 is a 741 and the 2 pics by Boogyjay are 747SP


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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:11 am

back in the good old days of pre-revolutionary Iran, my folks took a tour and apparently I have made a historic flight on IR! According to my dad, that was the last IR flight to US, THR-LHR-JFK (most probably 747SP)!! I vividly remember, the crew showed us the cockpit, and as a child, I was totally mesmerized by all the lights and gauges surrounding me! WOW!

My good friends who visit IR tell me that there are alot of Russian aircrafts are in service (mainly domestically). I wonder if due to the sanctions, IR will turn to Russia and renew its fleet with TU's and IL's paying in Euros and not Dollars!
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:38 am

Well, what they, Mahan Air and others have started doing extensively now is just wet-leasing aircraft in to get around the embargo. Iran Air currently uses an A300B4-200 wet-leased form Onur Air. Mahan Air uses Armenian, Bulgarian, Egyptian, French and Turkish registered aircraft wet-leased from various carriers. Kish, Qeshm and Safiran are or have been doing the same.
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 14):
Is that not a 742 in the pic?

Good observation though, it is indeed a 741 but its a 747-100B, meaning that it has a lot more in common with the 747-200 than did the venerable 747-100 proper.
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:53 am

Slightly off the subject, but still an Iranian 747-100 question. Does anyone know what the fate of TWA 747-131 N93101 was? It was sold to the Iranian Air Force in 1975
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:09 am

this is a great thread to discuss. same thing with NW's DC-9s. they will use them (or have) until as long as they need them. if the maintenance on the aircraft is kept up, it's almost as good as new. I still don't think IR will be flying these aircraft more than a year....?

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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
Slightly off the subject, but still an Iranian 747-100 question. Does anyone know what the fate of TWA 747-131 N93101 was? It was sold to the Iranian Air Force in 1975

The IIAF actually bought 12 B-747-100s. IIRC 8 of these were former airliners and 4 were new builds. They were converted into KC-747s. The IIAF lost one in a thunderstorm near Spain, IIRC. Only 1, however is still flying today.
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 12):
EP-IAD is the only -SP flying today.

Syrian Arab Airlines is flying the SP to LHR from DAM frequently.

Quoting Jkw777 (Thread starter):
I just had a thought about IR and their 741's. I shot one at LHR a few weeks ago and I was curious as to when they would probably stop flying them? They must be getting quite old now!!

When United States eliminate the ban over US products. Maybe, Iran will follow the steps of Zimbabwe, Syria and Cuba buying IL-96-400's, TU-204's and remembering that AN-140 equipment is in production in the Middle East country.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Indeed a very unique photo nowadays. Congrats Justin! How many airlines are still using the 747-100 on international routes?



Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 9):
I think JAL use them, Thai Orient as passenger aircraft. For freight Kalitta Air, and Evergreen International Cargo. Not many, if any, others thought?!

Saudia is operating this aircraft in domestic routes.
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:50 pm

I almost went to Iran for a holiday last year before moving from Tokyo back to Australia. From Tokyo it was a big toss up whether to book IR for the chance of a flight on the 747SP that was visiting regularly or flying Aeroflot for my first ride on a TU-154 - from Moscow to Tehran. Alas, the holiday plans didn't get off the ground due to limited finances thanks to moving to Sydney

I still desperately hope to get to Iran to experience the famous Persain warmth and hospitality and to fly some beatiful IR metal. Some very well travelled friends spent a month in Iran last year and said it was the best country by far they had ever visited. The majority of middle class, well educated citizens live their day to day lives in spite of the lunatic government and wish more enlightened travellers could share their nation's beauty, history, Muslim arcitecture and rich culture.
 
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RE: Iran Air And The 747-100

Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 6):
Karachi
Mumbai
Kuala Lumpur
Beijing
Tokyo

Currently according to schedules in East Asia the SP is doing Mumbai, Beijing, Tokyo and Seoul, 741/2 in Kuala Lumpur which also got SP previously, Karachi is with A310 since a long time.

SP was also used to Dhaka in the past which has been dropped.

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