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UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:52 am

Hey guys,

She was standing on the tarmac Saturday evening. Does anyone know what kind of flight this was?

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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:58 am

If you can get a tail number or fleet # from the side of the airplane I can find it very quickly.

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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:59 am

Probably military-related. I think Kaiserslautern is close by.

Otherwise, a UA captain has a lot of explaining to do as to why #916 or #900 landed at the wrong airport...  Wink
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 1):
If you can get a tail number or fleet # from the side of the airplane I can find it very quickly.

Sorry, I didn't get the tail number as I was too far away.
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:02 am

I just looked up in the ACARS database: Could be N175UA, probably on her way to KWI?
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:23 am

i belive many who used to fly through FRA for crew changes are now stopping in HHN on their way to KWI
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:44 am

HHN is a significantly cheaper airport to operate from and has no curfew restrictions unlike FRA.
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
i belive many who used to fly through FRA for crew changes are now stopping in HHN on their way to KWI



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
HHN is a significantly cheaper airport to operate from and has no curfew restrictions unlike FRA.

But UA doesn't normally fly into HHN, so neither of these explanations explain why the UA 744 was in HHN.
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:39 am

I think that these are troop related flights in relation to the ongoing american operations in the middle east. I was looking at flightware.com a few weeks ago and noticed that a UA 747 that landed at Fort Drum, NY had originated at Hahn.
BTW Fort Drum's code is GTB
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:00 am

Tech stop for a military charter, barring any type of wx diversion.
We use HHN as a tech stop/crew change for AMC charters now, instead of FRA.
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:40 am

Today a Ua 747 came into San Diego Miramar bringing back troops. I couldn't get the tail number on tv, but it was a new color 747.
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:41 am

And for all of you San Diego spotters, a United 747 (in new colors) full of marines returning from the Iraq, landed at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station today.

Long live Miramar as a base SOLELY for our military with no joint use or civilian incursion.
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:56 am

There's several flights a week (mostly Polar Air Cargo) between Hahn and McGuire AFB, there's actually one scheduled today.
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting N174UA (Reply 2):
Probably military-related. I think Kaiserslautern is close by.



Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 8):
I think that these are troop related flights in relation to the ongoing american operations in the middle east.

These flights go through Ramstein Airbase a few miles down the road they even finished a really nice terminal a few years ago for this very reason and the fact that Rhein-Mien was closing.
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:28 pm

I was driving back to San Diego from Big Bear Lake today and I saw a UA 747 at March ARB (RIV). Anyone know where it's going? I was too far away to get a tail number (plus I was driving, so it wouldn't have been a good idea to try).
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:53 pm

I was born at Hahn Air Base...March 1976... Hahn was a US Air Base for many years.... kinda fitting that they're using it again on military stops...

How long ago did the USAF leave Hahn?
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:14 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):

Actually FRA has no curfew restrictions - yet...

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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:22 pm

Quoting N174UA (Reply 2):
Probably military-related. I think Kaiserslautern is close by.

As the others have said, that is not the case, HHN is probably 200-300km from Kaiserslautern. Ramstein is close to Kaiserslautern.

However, HHN is still getting a lot of military cargo. Many military flights go from HHN to support the German troops in Afghanistan, and there are also lots of other cargo operators in HHN.

The troops left some years ago, but you can still see the barracks, in fact you park in the middle of some military buildings. Apart from that, HHN is really in the middle of nowhere. There is nothing around.
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:50 pm

Does anybody know roughly how many aircraft are set aside for military charter ops? I only ask because it's the middle of the busy summer season and it seems like there are at least two aircraft (based on this thread) that are not flying regularly scheduled flights and are doing charter ops.
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:18 pm

A "Hahn-circle" charter.

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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:44 pm

Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 13):
These flights go through Ramstein Airbase a few miles down the road they even finished a really nice terminal a few years ago for this very reason and the fact that Rhein-Mien was closing

Actually,some of these flights go through HHN as well, many Omni DC10 and 752s for instance. A UA 747 used to be seen at FRA during "off" hours, that may be the flights which are using HHN now.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):

As the others have said, that is not the case, HHN is probably 200-300km from Kaiserslautern. Ramstein is close to Kaiserslautern.

Lautzenhausen (HHN) to Kaiserslautern is exactly 89 km, to Ramstein make it about 100 km. When the Air Force left. this was "inh the middle of noewhere", actually now, Ryanair and a couple of cargo airlines put some life again into the airport and the number of people directly emplyed is approaching 3000, the area around is thriving again and Hotels and Restaurants are not as cheap any longer as they used to be.
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 15):
How long ago did the USAF leave Hahn?

Conversion took place in 1993.
see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_Hahn_Airport
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Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 17):
As the others have said, that is not the case, HHN is probably 200-300km from Kaiserslautern.

Make that 103 km (64 mi) according to my route planner (highway to Nohfelden, then motorways).
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 21):
Make that 103 km (64 mi) according to my route planner (highway to Nohfelden, then motorways).
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Ok, you are right, of course... Infrastructure in that area leaves something to be desired, though... Not to speak of the rediculous speed limit of the A61 motorway of 130 km/h  Wink

It is true that HHN is the only airport where conversion really worked out well, and I find this rather surprising given the area where the airport is. But most of the buildings of the military base are rather empty, though, correct?
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:05 pm

Definately UA military chartered flight. She I was at ORD on July 30. I was waiting for my TED flight to leave to FLL and right next to the Lufthansa Flight (B17) was UA 9??? to HHN and continuing to KWI. It departed from B15. The interesting thing about the flight was that while it still was early, most pax waiting for the flight were in civilian clothing. I want to say maybe it was for clerical staff as well.
 
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting Dw9115 (Reply 13):
These flights go through Ramstein Airbase a few miles down the road they even finished a really nice terminal a few years ago for this very reason and the fact that Rhein-Mien was closing.

That's right. I've lived in the Ramstein/Kaiserslautern Area and just graduated from Kaiserslautern High School this past spring. The new terminal was built about 4 years ago. There are many civilian planes chartered by the military that fly through Ramstein. When Rhein Main closed last year, they had to double the size of the infrastructure on base to meet the larger numbers of planes. Ramstein is now the military gateway to many places in Africa and Asia. On busy days, they might have planes landing and taking off about every other minute all day long (believe me, they flew right over my house).
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:26 pm

How do they determine F/C/Y+/Y seating on military charters?
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:27 am

I work flights in RMS and HHN, that is a mil charter every Sunday for United with a B747-400. Frankfurt kicked all mil charter work out and if you get a mil charter USA-KWI, you have to decide where you fuel stop and can not use RMS. The big ones in HHN 1. Omni 2. Evergreen 3. United.
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RE: UA 747 In Hahn HHN Saturday

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25):
How do they determine F/C/Y+/Y seating on military charters?

Generally speaking it's officers in the back, and enlisted up front. (Yes, they really do put the enlisted guys up front).