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What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:54 pm

What is the largest, in terms of mass, single-pilot certified aircraft today? Are any of the Lear 20 series classified as single-pilot, and does that category change according to the country of operation?
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:02 pm

The Cessna CJ3 is, I believe, single-pilot certified.

Learjets are not, as far as I know.

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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:11 pm

Thanks Mir,

Do you know what the largest prop plane is that would be certified like that? I don't really mean new planes, I mean traditional planes in the past.
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:18 pm

I know that certain aircraft can be flown by a single pilot during ferry flights (no pax or cargo), and in states of emergancy.
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 2):
Thanks Mir,

Do you know what the largest prop plane is that would be certified like that? I don't really mean new planes, I mean traditional planes in the past.

Could be the Cessna Caravan
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:37 pm

Anyone know what the max. takeoff weight for one of these puppies is?


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I have seen a PZL Dromader on the ground, and they are absolutely massive! They look like they'd weigh over 12,000 lbs. empty...

I'm assuming that the AN-24 (Anushka) isn't certified for single-pilot ops?
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
Anyone know what the max. takeoff weight for one of these puppies is?

General characteristics
Crew: one, pilot
Capacity: one passenger, and up to 2,200 l (581 US gallons) or 1,900 kg (4,180 lb) of chemicals
Length: 9.47 m (31 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 17.70 m (58 ft 1 in)
Height: 3.70 m (12 ft 2 in)
Wing area: 40 m² (430 ft²)
Empty: 2,710 kg (5,975 lb)
Loaded: kg ( lb)
Maximum takeoff: 5,300 kg (11,700 lb)
Powerplant: 1x WSK "PZL-Kalisz"ASz-62IR-M18 piston radial, 745 kW (1,000 hp)

Performance
Maximum speed: 225 km/h (141 mph)
Range: 1,000 km (625 miles)
Service ceiling: 4,000 m (13,100 ft)
Rate of climb: 390 m/min (1,280 ft/min)
Wing loading: kg/m² ( lb/ft²)
Power/Mass: kW/kg ( hp/lb)

Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL-Mielec_M-18_Dromader

Contains lots of interesting info!

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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:33 pm

You'd probably be looking at some of the light bombers from late WWII, such as the Douglas A-26 Invader (as seen in the Spielberg movie 'Always'). They were single pilot, although they did carry bombadiers and sometimes gunners too. I believe it was certified to a maximum takeoff weight around 35,000 pounds. There aren't many left, but some are still flown by warbird enthusiasts.

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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:04 pm

Hal, it's funny you should mention the A-26 invader, because I was just looking at one on the internet. It is owned by a forest fire fighting company in Alberta, and they have 18! of the old birds.
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 2):
Do you know what the largest prop plane is that would be certified like that?

How about a DHC-6 Twin Otter? I have seen them flown single pilot in skydiving operations.

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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:05 pm

F-15? I think the MTOW is upwards of 50,000lbs.
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:26 pm

Polynesian is operating Islanders commercially with single-pilot...

Not sure about Cessna 208 Caravans, though (which one is bigger/smaller).
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:39 am

Maybe the Beech 1900... and before y'all get your panties in a wad.. yes it can be flow single pilot under part 91.
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:45 am

The S-2 Turbo Tracker is single-pilot configured, at least the ones used by the California Division of Forestry for fire-fighting purposes.
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:52 am

The F-22 is at least 60,000lbs MTOW
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:56 am

Some quick data points:

(All Max Weights)

Cessna CJ3: 14,070
King Air 350: 15,100
Beech 1900D: 17,230 (If it can be flown single pilot under part 91 - I have no knowledge of that one...)
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:28 am

What about the B-47? Didn't it have a pilot, navigator, and a weapons officer?
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:28 am

A web site I found lists the Navy S-2E as having a MGTOW of 29,150 pounds. I would assume the Turbo Tracker would have an even higher MGTOW, but I could be wrong. The pilot I spoke with said the performance of the turbos was markedly better than the old Wrights that they replaced. This doesn't approach the figures listed above for the F-22 and F-15, but could this be one of the heavier civilian-registered aircraft with a single pilot configuration?

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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:53 am

The SR-71 has a MTOW of 170,000 lbs, approximately the same as a fully loaded 737-900 or A320. The SR-71 has only one pilot as the Reconnaissance Systems Operator in the back seat has no controls.
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 18):
The SR-71 has a MTOW of 170,000 lbs, approximately the same as a fully loaded 737-900 or A320. The SR-71 has only one pilot as the Reconnaissance Systems Operator in the back seat has no controls.

Just barely beat me. The SR-71 has it as far as I know. Although, if you want seriously only one crewmember, it'd be the A-12 variant. That is one serious airplane to strap on all by yourself.
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:12 am

Agreed I was reading all the replies and the Blackbird had my vote, you both got to it first though.  Smile
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting C680 (Reply 15):
King Air 350: 15,100



Quoting C680 (Reply 15):
King Air 350: 15,100
Beech 1900D: 17,230 (If it can be flown single pilot under part 91 - I have no knowledge of that one...)

Well I can tell you the King Air 350 is not a single pilot aircraft, that I know for a fact. As far as the Beech 1900's. I am pretty sure the C models can be flown single pilot, but I am not too sure if the D models can be flown single pilot.
What about a Failchild Metroliner III, or Beach 99? I know for a fact Ameriflight operates them single pilot. I do agree that some of the old war birds and military planes would probably win in this category!!
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:11 am

Metro's are single pilot under part 91 or cargo only ops, biggest model is 16,500 lbs. Beech 99 is a little smaller, I think.
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 21):
Well I can tell you the King Air 350 is not a single pilot aircraft

Incorrect.

I have a type rating for a King Air 300/350 single pilot. (and over 800 hours in type - single pilot) I fly Part 91 - I have no idea if there is a separate Part 135 rule on the subject. The Type rating for King Air 300 and 350 is the same type rating.

See FAA Advisory Circular No: 61-89E for more information. (This advisory circular also contains a very good list of various type ratings)
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:55 am

What about E110 Bandit? I know for sure that airplane is single pilot under part 91 cargo. The B99 can most certainly be flown with a single pilot in cargo ops. I almost certain a 1900D model is single if hauling cargo. What about the E120?

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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:31 am

In the civil world I would think the Virginflyer of more recent times, think it had a MTOW of around 23000 lb, heap of military fast jets that are way heavier, F111 110000lb, SR71 170000lb
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:51 am

The Raytheon Premier 1 390 is single pilot rated business jet.
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting TUSflyer (Reply 16):
What about the B-47? Didn't it have a pilot, navigator, and a weapons officer?

That would be the B-58, coming in at 163,000 pounds. The B-47 had a pilot,
copilot, and bombardier/navigator. BTW, the copilot's seat could swivel to face aft when the tail guns were used.
 
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:49 pm

A graduate of my school flies around his GIV single pilot. As long as there are no pax or non essential cargo (aka ferry flights), quite a few "big" airplanes can legally be flown single pilot.
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting C680 (Reply 23):
I have a type rating for a King Air 300/350 single pilot. (and over 800 hours in type - single pilot) I fly Part 91 - I have no idea if there is a separate Part 135 rule on the subject. The Type rating for King Air 300 and 350 is the same type rating.

Huh...I guess you learn something new everyday!! I had heard from many people that King Air 350 was the only king air that required two crew in the king air fleet! Sorry for the mistake and incorrect info.
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:56 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I'm assuming that the AN-24 (Anushka) isn't certified for single-pilot ops?

Just to correct a little mistake: the Anushka is the An-2. The An-24 is twin-turboprop airliner:

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The An-2 crew does indeed consist of a pilot and co-pilot/technicial, though in some cases (simple missions) it can be flown by a single pilot, though this is rather rare.
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 28):
A graduate of my school flies around his GIV single pilot. As long as there are no pax or non essential cargo (aka ferry flights), quite a few "big" airplanes can legally be flown single pilot.

Does this apply to a Learjet 24, a very small learjet?
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RE: What Is The Largest, Single-pilot Aircraft

Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:14 pm

Quoting RC135U (Reply 27):
That would be the B-58, coming in at 163,000 pounds.

B-58 MTOW 163,000. Max weight in flight (with air refueling) 176,890

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