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Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:17 am

Today I was in an airport restaurant, and WorldWide Flight Services which is taking over NorthWest Ground Services in SLC had some folks from Northwest at their table, along with 3 people from Hawaiian Air who had their ID badges out & they specifically said Hawaiian Air on them.
The conversations were mostly normal everyday lunch chat, but their conversation turned to the Hawaiian Air folks about "when your flights are serviced". don't know if they were just at SLC observing operations for another city or if they were here getting things in place.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:47 am

Hmmm, would SLC be a good expansion for them?

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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:40 am

Would be a logical new destination for them, but I think they'd need some new aircraft first, wouldn't they? Isn't their current fleet pretty well utilized to its maximum? Unless they ran SLC as an extention the SEA or PDX flights (SLC/SEA/HNL or SLC/PDX/HNL). That doesn't seem likely though as the SEA/HNL flight is usually pretty full at least in the winter months. I'm guessing the PDX flight is as well.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting DLAgent (Thread starter):
Today I was in an airport restaurant, and WorldWide Flight Services which is taking over NorthWest Ground Services in SLC had some folks from Northwest at their table, along with 3 people from Hawaiian Air who had their ID badges out & they specifically said Hawaiian Air on them.
The conversations were mostly normal everyday lunch chat, but their conversation turned to the Hawaiian Air folks about "when your flights are serviced". don't know if they were just at SLC observing operations for another city or if they were here getting things in place.

Hawaiian would be a good addition to SLC. Perhaps they're here to take the KOA route that DL is giving up due to lack of suitable equipment (ETOPs certified 752s forthcoming from TWA/AA). More competition on these routes (HNL, OGG, KOA) would also be welcome since fares to Hawaii are far from cheap on DL.
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:27 pm

HA won't fly 763s into KOA from SLC. It would be HNL.
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:30 pm

I don't know why they don't already. If SJC can succeed, SLC should easily.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:38 pm

Several of my co-workers had suggested they thought if HA makes a presence in SLC, it would be a continuation of their SMF flights.
I don't think SLC could support that much more available seats to HNL on
its own as they say our DL flights average only 24% local traffic.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:32 pm

I don't suppose it's too outrageous to think of SLC as a tag-on from an existing flt to almost any California city or even LAS or PHX but I believe all of them have plenty of O&D traffic on their own.

I also think that with HA's scheduling (which could, of course, be changed) the stop-over point to SLC flight would be quite late at night, with a rather unpleasant arrival time in Utah, and the return (departing SLC) would be very early in the morning. You would virtually eliminate any chance of pulling some O&D traffic between SLC and the stop-over point.

I agree with Ikramerica, IF (very large IF) HA served SLC (or any new city for that matter), it would be only to/from HNL. However, I don't think there are available a/c or sufficient traffic for n/s service to Utah.

Historically, SLC-HNL was served many times as a tag-on from So Cal, as far back as Western who did it via both LAX and SAN, and more recently by DL via LAX.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting DLAgent (Thread starter):
but their conversation turned to the Hawaiian Air folks about "when your flights are serviced". don't know if they were just at SLC observing operations for another city

Sounds like they were observing Worldwide. HA has been looking for other ground handling services at their mainland stations that are currently provided by DL (DGS). IIRC, DL may not be able to provide those services to HA for much longer.

Quoting DLAgent (Reply 6):
Several of my co-workers had suggested they thought if HA makes a presence in SLC, it would be a continuation of their SMF flights.

HA would fly to SLC non-stop, if they decide to do so. The SMF market is large enough that HA will be adding a 2nd flight 4-times a week starting next year, when the 4 non-ER 763 are fully added to the fleet. Other than that, the schedule for a addon from SMF would put the arrival in SLC around midnight and would be pushing the max duty time for the crew.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:24 am

If HA does begin Hawai'i - SLC flights, welcome aboard!!

Range and runway distance shouldn't be an issue, as widebody flights having been plying this route for a long time. What I have to wonder is why HA would select a route that is a major hub for another airline.

LAX and SFO both have enough O&D passengers to go around for all the airlines (UA, AA, CO, DL, NW, etc...). SEA and PDX might have some competition, but not like LAX or SFO, and SMF, SJC, SAN are virtually uncontested routes (except for AQ). Even LAS and PHX are still in the system, despite the break in the codeshare with HP/US.

DL at SLC, however, strikes me as a different situation. HA is going to have to depend solely on O&D traffic, whereas DL can count on connecting passengers. I hope they've done their homework on this!
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 2):
Would be a logical new destination for them, but I think they'd need some new aircraft first, wouldn't they? Isn't their current fleet pretty well utilized to its maximum?

Actually, they announced they were picking up 4 new 763's (ex-DL) back in Feb. Here's the press release. I don't think those have been placed anywhere yet, but even if they have, there's always the soon to be idle plane flying to American Samoa! (Ha! kidding, I hope).

SLC does seem like a good idea to me.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting Pgtravel (Reply 10):
I don't think those have been placed anywhere yet, but even if they have, there's always the soon to be idle plane flying to American Samoa! (Ha! kidding, I hope).

Actually we announced where the new routes would be in May:

http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...l-newsArticle&ID=852641&highlight=

The details of the new routes include "Starting September 6, Hawaiian is expanding its daily nonstop San Diego-Maui service from summer flights only to service year-round. On October 13, Hawaiian is increasing both its nonstop Seattle-Maui and Portland-Maui flights to daily service, resulting in seven new flights per week to Maui from the Pacific Northwest's gateway cities.

Beginning November 19, Hawaiian is adding four weekly flights to its nonstop Sacramento-Honolulu daily service increasing to 11 the total number of weekly flights. Also that day, Hawaiian is expanding its Seattle-Honolulu service with three additional flights per week, bringing to 10 the total number of weekly flights served on this route.

For summer 2007, Hawaiian is converting one of its Los Angeles-Honolulu flights from four flights weekly to daily service to accommodate peak summer travel demand and increase nonstop service of its most popular route to three flights daily.
"

I've heard rumors about SLC (along with a bunch of other places too) for a long time. It would be a good market, as there is a huge Samoan & Pacific Islander population in SLC. The problem is (as many have said) that we just don't have the planes for a new route. I suppose they could do the old shell game of cutting one route to three or four days a week while using the plane to go to SLC on the other days, but the has done nothing but piss of our passengers when we've done that before. Then again, maybe there are more planes on the way - who knows? Those of us at the company are always the last to know.  Smile

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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting HAL (Reply 11):
I've heard rumors about SLC (along with a bunch of other places too) for a long time. It would be a good market, as there is a huge Samoan & Pacific Islander population in SLC.

Interesting you should mention that. There is a huge population in SLC of Tongan & Somoan peoples. Recently the Tongan's had a celebration in
a SouthWest Part of the city, and one of the sponsors of the event was Hawaiian Air.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:18 am

I dont think the SLC-HNL local market is big enough for two airlines
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:52 pm

"Sounds like they were observing Worldwide. HA has been looking for other ground handling services at their mainland stations that are currently provided by DL (DGS). IIRC, DL may not be able to provide those services to HA for much longer."

What's up with DGS and Hawaiian? Is DGS dumping HA or is HA dumping DGS?

Thanks.
 
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RE: Is Hawaiian Air Starting SLC?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:13 pm

Quoting Dl1011 (Reply 14):
What's up with DGS and Hawaiian? Is DGS dumping HA or is HA dumping DGS?

I believe it is the possibility of cutbacks by Delta either through job reductions or outsourcing that will make DGS not be able to have enough manpower to cover the HA contract.

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