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UA Restricts Mileage Plus Even Further

Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:18 pm

So far the collest thing about Mileage Plus has been the fact that you could earn miles and make use of benefits no matter what kind of ticket you bought. That is now being changed. Several fares between the UK and the USA now have consiitons like this one:

MILEAGE PLUS
a) Mileage Plus credits may NOT be accrued on V class net fares.
b) Mileage Plus credits may be accrued on Q class net fares.
c) Mileage Plus benefits may NOT be applied on V or Q class net fares.

Agreed, this is for a net fare, but so far all nets were fully eligible for Mileage Plus. Not only will they no longer earn you miles, YOU WON'T EVEN GET ECONOMY PLUS as a Premier any more when you book such a fare. This is expected to be applied to all "cheaper" fares in the near future, so probably to everything lower than H class on the international market.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:23 pm

Collest? Oh, coolest. Seems like United is following the pack now instead of leading. No more 100K frequent flyers who earned that status on largely on super cheap tickets. Makes sense to me.
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting 764 (Thread starter):
Agreed, this is for a net fare, but so far all nets were fully eligible for Mileage Plus. Not only will they no longer earn you miles, YOU WON'T EVEN GET ECONOMY PLUS as a Premier any more when you book such a fare. This is expected to be applied to all "cheaper" fares in the near future, so probably to everything lower than H class on the international market.

Are you sure about the Economy Plus part? I heard from friends of mine in wholesale that this was coming but that it would apply more to upgrades and the like. My understanding was that the whole seating issue came down to MP status or fare bucket (Y/B/M) to apply and that Apollo didn't look at the actual ticket.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:46 pm

Where do you see this ?

I dont see it.

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,3122,00.html

Other Economy fares (E,M,U,H,Q,V,W,S,T,K,L) 100%
100%

United's going to have to be very careful with this one otherwise they will lose all remaining very little goodwill they have in the UK.
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 3):
United's going to have to be very careful with this one otherwise they will lose all remaining very little goodwill they have in the UK.

I could not agree more. All it will take is for AA and/or BA not to go along with this and soon there will be frequent flyers leaving UA for AA and BA. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:00 pm

Let's not forget, a lot of frequent flyers earned their status by flying high fare basis business trips, but still make dirt cheap personal trips. Make their personal travel too difficult, and you could lose the business fares as well.

UA does have a problem in that they have far too many elite status flyers. That's one reason I switched to AA some years back. A lot of those west coast runs from Chicago are full of regular "commuters" who are all buying 21-day advance purchase with a weekend stay, and are 1K to boot. I kid you not, some of those ORD-SFO flights go out with virtually 100% premeirs and upwards of 75 1K's on them.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting CHIFLYGUY (Reply 5):
Let's not forget, a lot of frequent flyers earned their status by flying high fare basis business trips, but still make dirt cheap personal trips. Make their personal travel too difficult, and you could lose the business fares as well.

UA does have a problem in that they have far too many elite status flyers. That's one reason I switched to AA some years back. A lot of those west coast runs from Chicago are full of regular "commuters" who are all buying 21-day advance purchase with a weekend stay, and are 1K to boot. I kid you not, some of those ORD-SFO flights go out with virtually 100% premeirs and upwards of 75 1K's on them.

Damn! I have been a premier member for ten years, and ironically I think this is going to be the first year I don't make premier status. I often book a cheap, off-peak Europe flight in November to get my premier status - I guess that might not work anymore.

Interestingly, I flew from DCA-DEN last week on the highest leisure fare I've ever paid (and I have flown to Denver an average of four times per year in the past 15 years); and for the first time ever, I was unable to get economy plus. Having a more difficult time securing economy plus seats with premier status is an ominous sign. In addition, with these new changes, it is unlikely that I'll be able to get premier status next year as most of my travel is pleasure. Clearly, without premier status or the likelihood that I can attain it going forward (coupled with the difficulty in securing economy plus seats), my loyalty to pay an extra $100 or $150 per roundtrip to fly UA just flew out the window.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:15 am

I purchased a T class "deep discount fare" from OMA to LAX several months ago for september. I paid 523.00 for the trip. If you're telling me that a fare of 523.00 in T class will not be elegible for FF mile accural or Economy Plus that is BS!!! United is going way overboard now. If this goes through they'll loose a customer that spends several thousand dollars per year with them.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting CHIFLYGUY (Reply 5):
Let's not forget, a lot of frequent flyers earned their status by flying high fare basis business trips, but still make dirt cheap personal trips. Make their personal travel too difficult, and you could lose the business fares as well.

I am one of these...


My Core UA route is LHR-JFK..now this is down the spout..

if UA isnt offering cheap seats when I want to travel personal... then I wont fly UA.

But if I only get 1 mile when I fly be it VS, BA or UA... then why stay with UA.. when they dont fly to where I travel on business and when I travel for fun.. they dont give miles.

I feel a new alliance for 2007 is coming on.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 1):
No more 100K frequent flyers who earned that status on largely on super cheap tickets. Makes sense to me.

 checkmark  I hope the days of UA treating passengers who spend $2000 to make 1K better than they treat passengers who spend $10,000 for a single F ticket are coming to a close.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:54 am

I think i'll stick with NW, AA or US after hearing this. DL's skymiles is awful, and AS's is pretty good.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
I hope the days of UA treating passengers who spend $2000 to make 1K better than they treat passengers who spend $10,000 for a single F ticket are coming to a close.

First of all, that's a ridiculous example. No one can make 1K by spending $2,000, and anyone that spends $10,000 on a single F ticket gets treated like a King/Queen on any and every airline.

Regardless, I spend between $2,000 and $3,000 per year on UA to attain premier status, and the tickets I buy on UA are rarely the cheapest for the dates I travel. I pay a premium on leisure tickets to retain premier status so that I can 1) Board early, and 2) Get an economy plus aisle seat. That is basically all I get for premier (plus a few bonus miles, but I haven't been able to use 500 mile upgrades for years). So, essentially, I'm paying probably about $500 extra per year on UA tickets for economy plus.

UA may be able to afford to lose a portion or most of that $2,000-$3,000 per year right now since RASMs are up double digits and load factors are in the mid-80%. But, while the profits and revenues are up for the first time in 5 years, the fact is the economy is showing signs of slowing and with any number of external events that may/will take place (oil prices, potential terrorism, increased security), this scenartio is unlikely to last. The question is, will the legacy carriers such as UA have done enough to weather the next downturn when it comes? And, when is it coming?
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:10 am

In a way this is even worse than 50% EQM on cheap fares, which I was expecting.
A deprivation of benefits on cheap fares, and NO miles at all - ouch.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 7):
I purchased a T class "deep discount fare" from OMA to LAX several months ago for september. I paid 523.00 for the trip. If you're telling me that a fare of 523.00 in T class will not be elegible for FF mile accural or Economy Plus that is BS!!! United is going way overboard now. If this goes through they'll loose a customer that spends several thousand dollars per year with them.

Joeljack,
relax...it appears this is on "net/bulk"tickets only which you rarely see on any us domestic flt that is not connecting to a intl segment....anyone correct me if im wrong but doesnt AA or BA have some type of restrictions as well into the uk???/could be wrong but thought i read some where where they are doing it as well
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 13):
anyone correct me if im wrong but doesnt AA or BA have some type of restrictions as well into the uk???/could be wrong but thought i read some where where they are doing it as well

Both BA and AA have restrictions on accrual/upgrades available dependant on class of service. The restrictions are also by market (what applies to Central America doesn't necessarily apply to Asia).

One of the complaints that the OP was making was that an E+ seat assignment was not obtainable using these tickets even if the passenger was statused. I know that BA and AA don't have any such restriction. I also definately doubt that UA has also.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
I hope the days of UA treating passengers who spend $2000 to make 1K better than they treat passengers who spend $10,000 for a single F ticket are coming to a close.

That is what United Global Services was created for, though it's now slowly morphing into just another Mileage Plus tier.  

Back to the topic - the term "net fares" is what confuses me. Do they mean fares bought from internet travel sites like Travelocity/Orbitz?

Or do they also mean bought direct from united.com?

Not to mention Economy Plus is extended to United and Star Alliance elites regardless of fare basis. Is this changing now?

For non-elites, it has always been restricted to Y/B/M/E/U fares, so there is nothing new there in not allowing them in on V or Q fares.

[Edited 2006-08-23 18:56:57]
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:58 am

Actually, AA has a similar restriction with their fares. O class fares to Asia, India, Latin America and Europe earn no credit, and Q class transatlantic earn no credit.  Sad http://www.aa.com/apps/AAdvantage/Vi...scriptor=AAdvantagePartnersContent
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:02 am

AA's restrictions aren't that bad. You still earn 100% of the miles flown on even the deep discount fares. However one only earns half the elite miles on such a trip.

BA's restrictions are pretty bad, in fact I avoided all Y travel on BA for that reason. BA only gives 25% of miles flown on restricted economy tickets, although AAdvantage members still get elite miles for these flights. Executive Club members don't earn any Tier Points off of restricted economy tickets.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Back to the topic - the term "net fares" is what confuses me. Do they mean fares bought from internet travel sites like Travelocity/Orbitz?

Or do they also mean bought direct from united.com?

Net fares.. or contract fares.. are offered to wholesalers - either tour companies or consolidators - at a set price (net) to be marked up and added to a final package. These nets tend to remain the same for the duration of a season regardless of fluctuations in regular published fares.

Going back a few years (I'm thankfully out of wholesale now) UA's europe contracts to wholesalers were net. They were offered at two static fare levels - one at V and the other at Q. They were then sold by zone.

Example.. The V net fare from the east coast (zone 1) during low season was (and I'm making up a number here) $450 to the wholesaler if it was booked in V. The wholesaler would turn around and add somewhere in the ballpark of $35 to it and resell it to travel agencies who would then market them to the public. The taxes were added, the ticket was issued, and it made it possible to sell what would have been a $800 fare if purchased directly from the carrier at somewhere in the ballpark of $600.

These aren't the fares you would purchase directly from UA.. you'd have to purchase them through a third party.

Unless you have someone who is purchasing their ticket from wholesalers only instead of from the carrier, it's not likely that you'll run into many of these.

It's the whole "you get what you pay for". If you purchase your ticket from the carrier at the $800 fare then all is fine and dandy. If you want to purchase your ticket for $400 less, you don't get the mileage or the upgrades.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:25 am

I response to above, I buy all my ticket's through United's Webpage. I purchase the cheapest available, Often end up in T or S but also V and Q are common too. Can I assume that the V class bought directly through UAL is different then a V class bought through a third party? How can they tell the difference?

As long as I can continue to earn full EQM's through united.com fares then I'm fine with any new rules.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:31 am

If this is true, United will likely lose the loyalty of this Premier Executive. I fly some expensive flights like full fare business class, but usually when I am paying, I'll fly the cheapest UA fare out there. However if UA treats me like dirt when I do this, then I'll stop paying a premium to fly UA and might just take my loyalty elsewhere. AA has a nice fast track way to get elite status.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 19):
I response to above, I buy all my ticket's through United's Webpage. I purchase the cheapest available, Often end up in T or S but also V and Q are common too. Can I assume that the V class bought directly through UAL is different then a V class bought through a third party? How can they tell the difference?

As long as I can continue to earn full EQM's through united.com fares then I'm fine with any new rules.

The OP was referring to UK/US flights. Domestic flights are handled totally differently. UA's back-of-the-bus service tends to be in Y/B (full fare/one way reduced) M/H (Advance Purchase Excursion) and W/Q/V which show up from time to time as published fares - generally deeply discounted sale fares. The Q/V fares I was referring to are available on a wholesale basis year round even when the carrier themselves are not selling to the public a fare in that bucket.

The only way they can really tell is from what fare is actually shown on your ticket. That is taken into account when mileage credit is given.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 18):
Net fares.. or contract fares.. are offered to wholesalers - either tour companies or consolidators - at a set price (net) to be marked up and added to a final package. These nets tend to remain the same for the duration of a season regardless of fluctuations in regular published fares...These aren't the fares you would purchase directly from UA.. you'd have to purchase them through a third party.

Got it. So items purchased from united.com and even internet travel sites like Orbitz and Travelocity will still receive full credit.

It is fares purchased from consolidators as part of packages that will no longer earn credit (though I imagine United Vacations will be exempt from this).

I feel better now.  Smile
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:10 am

Unless it's changed, UAV is booked in "S"  Wink
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:31 am

If they do restrict Mileage Plus further, I'll probably switch to either an AC or US account for my Star travel. I really don't see what the problem is with too many Premier flyers. I would rather have too many Premier flyers that are loyal to UA than none at all. If it is a revenue problem, then just cut the amount of fare sales. UA has so many fare sales going on all the time. It's not like a Premier flyer increases costs by much. However, they do increase revenue since they have a certian degree of loaylty to UA. An airline's FF program is sometimes their most valuable asset. If UA starts making too many cuts to Mileage Plus they might end up in court again.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 10):
DL's skymiles is awful

Ever since DL got rid of 50% MQMs on L/U/T fares, SkyMiles aligns with most other SkyTeam members. The only problem is getting 50% miles on CO deeply discounted fares. The thing that makes SkyMiles so good is the American Express card. They always have a double or triple points thing going on for all purchases.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
Got it. So items purchased from united.com and even internet travel sites like Orbitz and Travelocity will still receive full credit.

Correct in a part, wrong in another, some fares that are sold at least through Orbitz might be net fares, IIRC they let you know the restrictions when you are purchasing, but most of those fares are highly restricted, Higher penalties to make changes or not changes at all.
Just check the restrictions carefully before buying, so you don't get a surprise later
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:21 am

Personally I prefer to have a higher standard of service than to accumulate miles. Everyone pays for miles in some hidden form (i.e if you really want the miles). And from now on, UA customers will have to pay more to get them.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:24 am

Get a Chase United Mileage Plus Visa card...$1 always equals at least 1 mile.


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Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 17):
AA's restrictions aren't that bad. You still earn 100% of the miles flown on even the deep discount fares. However one only earns half the elite miles on such a trip.



Quoting 777fan (Reply 27):
Get a Chase United Mileage Plus Visa card...$1 always equals at least 1 mile.

Just flew to LIM on a discount fare from aa.com. Got full miles. Charged the tickets on my Citibank AAdvantage Mastercard. Got one mile per dollar spent. LIM ticket for me cost about 800 r/t. Wife and daughters spent a week in MIA with me, prior to LIM portion. Their tix were discounted, everyone got full credit. Their tix cost 375 r/t each. Flight SFO-MIA was packed. We chose to be voluntarily bumped for 800 per person on AA vouchers. Nice deal.
The point is, whatever you buy on aa.com seems to get full credit. Whether on UA or AA, I can't imagine they would offer any less.

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Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting M180up (Reply 25):
Correct in a part, wrong in another, some fares that are sold at least through Orbitz might be net fares, IIRC they let you know the restrictions when you are purchasing...Just check the restrictions carefully before buying, so you don't get a surprise later

Well I only buy from united.com (when it let's me  Yeah sure ), so I'm safe.  thumbsup 
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:23 pm

Could someone do an a.net newbie a favor and put up a list of which class each letter represents? I know F, C, and Y, but that's about it.

My family used to be loyal UA Mileage Plus members (my dad was premium from business trips, the rest of us just used the Visa card miles to fly back and visit Grandma). Then they cut way back on the Saver (25,000 mile) seats and increased the Standard (40,000 mile) ones. Then they had the nerve to say that they hadn't cut back on FF-eligible seats. Lost our business; now we just go with whoever's cheapest. Quite a shame too, since I love Ch. 9.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:45 pm

That is common with carriers in Europe get used to it. You get what you pay for! Since the Change with LH Miles and More I just tell my travel agent which fare Class I need and it's no problem.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:48 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 30):
Could someone do an a.net newbie a favor and put up a list of which class each letter represents? I know F, C, and Y, but that's about it.

Normally F = is for First class, C= Business, Y= Coach, those are for the full fares, then the other classes are discounted fares depending on the airline, that are for the same cabin IIRC.
I don't know that much about UA, in US and HP that are the ones I know the chart is something like this:
A= HP/US (First class discounted)
B= HP (Discount fare) US (Most of the time fully refundable fare with some time in advance purchase or other restrictions)
C= HP (Not Used), US= (Full Envoy class on transatlantic flights)
D= (not used by any of the 2 airlines)
E= HP (not used now, used before for award tickets), US= (Upgrades to 1st class)
F= HP/US (First class full fare)
G= HP (not used) US (Net fares, restricted, no changes allowed, no mileage earned, offered by third parties)
H= HP (In some markets refundable fare with some time in advance purchase), US= (discounted fare, is not one of the cheapest, middle range)
I= HP (not used) US= (award travel, mileage saver, transatlantic)
J = US/HP (not used)
K= US/HP (discount fare, usually one of the cheapest around, time in advance required, not always available in all markets)
L= US/HP (discount fare, with time in advance)
M= US/HP (discount fare, it's one of the most expensive ones)
N= US/HP (discount fare, the most expensive of the restricted fares)
O= US/HP (mileage saver award tickets) HP= (upgrades to 1st class with discount fares)
P= US/HP (upgrades to first class when the pax has purchased a full fare)
Q= US/HP (discount fares, middle range)
R= HP (refundable fare with time in advance normally), US (upgrades to envoy class)
S= HP/US (discount fare, used for excursion fares normally, time in advance purchase normally)
T= HP (discount fare, it's middle range), US (discount fare, one of the least expensive)
U= HP (not used), US (refundable fare for the shuttle market)
V= HP/US (discount fare, time in advance, used for excursion fares also)
W= HP/US (discount fare, time in advance, excursion fares)
X= HP/US (mileage saver awards coach)
Y= HP/US (full fare coach)
Z= HP (not used), US(discount envoy class)

This changes from airline to airline, but basically are only the letter with the one the fare begins, used for revenue purposes, only a number of seats is given for each of those letters, and all of them have different restrictions, hope this helps a bit, but not sure if I was clear enough?
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:48 pm

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 11):
First of all, that's a ridiculous example. No one can make 1K by spending $2,000, and anyone that spends $10,000 on a single F ticket gets treated like a King/Queen on any and every airline.

You might want to get out to see the world more. For example, see the Mileage Run forum at http://www.flyertalk.com/ where some people have made 1K for under $1000. $2000 seems to be what the typical mileage runner pays to make 1K status.

As for being treated like a King/Queen, not on US airlines. The best I was ever treated by UA as a 1K on international F fares was markedly worse than the worst I've ever been treated by SQ on C fares.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:31 pm

AF/KL's Flying members earn miles in all booking classes.
The only thing is:

AF's L class on long-haul and N on the European network give you 25% of the distance flown.
For flights operated by KL, NW and KQ, the V class gives you also only 25% of the distance flown. The N class on KL European routes applies the same rules of AF.
Since the launch of the programme last June 6th 2005, we've got tons of unhappy customers on phone asking if there was something wrong with their miles statement...
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:39 am

In 2004, I made Premier Exec by spending $10,132.22 on 56 segments for a total of 52192 earned miles. In 2005 I fell short, but paid a $100 fee toward the end of the year to make some flights count for double miles toward elite status. I spent $8881.75 on 44 segments for a total of 43893 earned miles to retain Premier Exec in 2005.

This year because of reduced business travel and my company keeps making me fly other airlines, I'm struggling to make Premier. If I can make 1K for $2000 please let me know. I'm going about this the hard way...
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RE: UA Restricts Mileage Plus Even Further

Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 30):
Could someone do an a.net newbie a favor and put up a list of which class each letter represents?

For United Airlines:

A – Discounted First Class fare. Also used as the booking code for “M-UP” and “Q-UP” Economy fares [that book into First Class].
B – Refundable/Changeable discounted Economy Class fare available up to a few days before flight.
C – Unrestricted Business Class fare.
D – Refundable/Changeable discounted Business Class fare.
E – TED unrestricted Economy fare. UA discounted Economy fare.
F – Unrestricted First Class fare.
G – Travel industry Economy Class fare.
H – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
I – Upgrade to Business Class from Economy (also known as “NC” class).
K – Seasonal Economy promotional fares. Also discounted Government and Contract fares.
L – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
M – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
N – Economy Class Mileage Plus Award ticket (also known as “XY” class).
O – Business Class Mileage Plus Award ticket (also known as “XC” class).
P – Formerly First Class on Premium Transcon/p.s. service between SFO/LAX and JFK. Now used as the booking code for “Y-UP” Economy fares [that book into First Class].
Q – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
R – First Class Mileage Plus Award ticket (also known as “XF” class).
S – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
T – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
U – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
V – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
W – Discounted Economy Class fare with restrictions.
X – Upgrade to First Class from Business (also known as “NF” class).
Z – Discounted Business Class fare with restrictions.

UA Paid Fare Class Progression - P F A C D Z Y B E M U H Q V W S T K L
 
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RE: UA Restricts Mileage Plus Even Further

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
I hope the days of UA treating passengers who spend $2000 to make 1K better than they treat passengers who spend $10,000 for a single F ticket are coming to a close.

Maybe they should treat the $10k F Class passengers better than they do now (i.e. more akin to BA / VS etc).

Ive flown UA F - Class JFK - LHR nothing special.
Flying VS.. I get the pick up limo transfers superb lounge treatment, flat bed etc etc, shower at LHR.

UA... an almost converted bench/flat bed no pickup pay for lounge nothing at LHR what a waste of cash...

Oh and on personal travel.. I pay $400 for a return to the states !

So lose one.. lose the other too.

All makes for empty planes.
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
 
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RE: UA Restricts Mileage Plus Even Further

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:41 am

I Just bought an £440 / $750 LHR-LAX-SFO-LHR ticket with a W class rating in November.

If I dont earn miles... this is my last UA flight.

Next year I will be earning / flying for business on DL or VS as my new FF program and going for gold here instead.

That will be my response to UA's changes.
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
 
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RE: UA Restricts Mileage Plus Even Further

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 37):
UA... an almost converted bench/flat bed no pickup pay for lounge nothing at LHR what a waste of cash...

UA does have an International First Class Lounge at LHR (in addition to the RCC, which I admit is lackluster) and you can also use SQ's and SK/AC's (London Lounge) lounges, as well, on a First or Business Class ticket (or Economy if a Star Alliance Gold elite).
 
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RE: UA Restricts Mileage Plus Even Further

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:21 am

Does the original poster please have a link to these changes? I have seen a number of fares on the UA UK web-site that state that they do not earn miles over the years - this is nothing new. However, according to Flyertalk, many have purchased these fares and still earned the miles.