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AS Crew Bases (question)

Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:54 pm

Does anyone know if Alaska still has crew bases in ANC and PDX? Any additional history would be appreciated, such as when they opened/closed. Thanks.
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:18 am

ANC has pilot crew based there for 737-200s and 734/NG, as well
as a flight attendant base.
No crew base in PDX anymore for the flight attendants. I think it closed
about 2 years ago.
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting 28L28L (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if Alaska still has crew bases in ANC and PDX?

ANC is certainly an active, albeit smaller pilot base for Alaska Airlines. I'm not completely sure but I am fairly certain that ANC is also an flight attendant base. The most recent new hire pilots include 18 ANC based pilots with 4 on the 737-200 and the rest on the 737-400. Those are the two aircraft types that dominate the ANC pilot base.

PDX is a Horizon pilot base but not an Alaska Airlines pilot base. I am not certain if this is a flight attendant base for Alaska though?
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Markabcan (Reply 2):
PDX is a Horizon pilot base but not an Alaska Airlines pilot base. I am not certain if this is a flight attendant base for Alaska though?

I believe that PDX is also a flight attendant base for Horizon still, but I can't be certain on that.
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:07 am

PDX is a F/A base again. It was closed for 2 years or so, but reopened. Despite all the pilots that live in the PDX area, it is not and most likely will never be a pilot base.

ANC is a F/A base and base for all 737.

ANC: F/A, Pilots 737-200/400F/400 and NG's
SEA: F/A, Pilots MD-80/737-400 and NG's
PDX: F/A base only
LAX: F/A, Pilots 737-400 and NG's

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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 1):
No crew base in PDX anymore for the flight attendants. I think it closed
about 2 years ago.

The base never "officially" closed.

When it was announced that it would be closing- AFA and the company went to the table and came up with a plan for PDX to be a co-domicile of SEA.

An agreement was reached- and PDX- although much different- remained open.

No supervisiors in PDX, no Inflight crew room, no dedicated FA space at all.

PDX based flight attendants are 'technically' based in Seattle. They attend recurrent in SEA at their own expense if they have to stay the night- and must go to Seattle to solve any issues with their supervisiors, if required.

After the first agreement- the base shrunk considerably. However, people who want thier transfers back have received them- including many new hires!

[Edited 2006-08-24 00:19:40]
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:42 am

WeAreUnited: And the PDX lines suck now!

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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:20 pm

Thanks for the input. Does anyone remember when PDX first opened as a F/A base?
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:01 pm

Due to the large number of flight attendants who live in the PHX area, plans are in the works to open a PHX inflight "mini-base."
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:33 am

EA CO AS: A mini-pilot base wouldn't be the worst thing for PHX either. But I can also see them looking into a Bay Area base with 4 airports (including SMF). But I hear this rumor once in a while, but keeps getting voted against.

Where you been?

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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:36 am

Also with AS branching out to Mexico and the east coast, they should have some sort of base mid-country. Then from there they could continue to branch out the more places and grow even bigger. I would think Memphis?
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:20 am

Flyboy14295: I'm not following. Why would they add a mid-usa base when we only serve ORD/DFW? Those are done fine by our SEA crew base. Mexico is mainly handled by all bases for F/A, but pilots its mainly LAX crews.

We don't fly close to MEM and may never fly there. Also, you kind need a crew base where you actually have planes.

Can you explain the logic for me?

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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:01 am

BTW where are QX bases??? I know SEA and PDX but anywhere else??? BOI or LAX? and when are they going to start flying to SNA
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:15 am

Alaska737: I'm 99% sure all QX bases are SEA and PDX only now. They had a BOI pilot base, but its been closed. They are looking into a LAX base, but there is just no room and prices are a little higher then QX would like to pay.

I don't expect to see QX in SNA anytime soon. There are not enough CR7/Q400 to go around and honestly I dont see any route that AS couldn't do with a larger A/C and get First class passengers.

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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:48 am

Horizon also has a DEN base that operates the Frontier Jet Express system.

Alaska would like to open a Flight Attendant base in PHX but has put it on the back burner for right now. I don't think it's being looked at as a Pilot base. They are also interested in opening a bay area base but, because the union is not interested in opening "mini-bases" across the system, it's not very likely. The company can open and close bases wherever/whenever they like, but they can not open satelite bases or make certain cities (OAK/SMF/SJC/SFO) "co-terminals" of another base without first negotiating that with AFA and AFA isn't interested.
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 11):
Flyboy14295: I'm not following. Why would they add a mid-usa base when we only serve ORD/DFW? Those are done fine by our SEA crew base. Mexico is mainly handled by all bases for F/A, but pilots its mainly LAX crews

ORD/DFW are actually flown by FA's at all bases. Mexico is a mix of LAX/SEA Pilots. There are overnights in Mexico that are flown by SEA Pilots, though not as many during the summer. Generally, LAX Pilots do turns in/out of Mexico when they fly down there.
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:06 am

ASFyer: I know. I just didn't want to spend 30 minutes explaning where everyone goes right now. I didn't think I need to be that picky! To time consuming....but yes the LA crews get the short end of the stick with Mexico, other then when they have CUN.

Good catch with the QX DIA base. Forgot about that!

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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:17 am

Perhaps this is an inappropriate request, but it would be cool if someone could post some examples of AS pilot and FA lines.

Zach
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:33 pm

At least as far as FA lines go, they are so varied that it would be impossible to post something "typical". Every month it changes.
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 18):
At least as far as FA lines go, they are so varied that it would be impossible to post something "typical". Every month it changes.

Any example would still be interesting. I have always wondered where a FA flys in one day.

Zach
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:23 am

Example:

F/A PDX-LAX-YVR-LAX
F/A SEA-LAX-PDX-PHX

Pilot SEA-LGB-SEA-LAX
Pilot SEA-SJC-SEA-LAX-SFO

But there are just so many its hard to give good examples

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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:28 am

Still interesting. Thanks for the examples.

Zach
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 20):
But there are just so many its hard to give good examples

Heres one I'm sure no one likes. AS Flt. 64

ANC-JNU-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 20):
F/A PDX-LAX-YVR-LAX
F/A SEA-LAX-PDX-PHX

I don't agree with this. I would enjoy a trip like this... and I KNOW the PDX base would enjoy a trip like this (they have the worst trips in the system).

When I was at Alaska- a day like this is productive- and therefore you can make money. Most of Alaska's FA pairings are SO easy- and unproductive- that it's very difficult to make money.

Alaska adopted the same contract Southwest had some years ago. This included a 10 1/2 hour duty day. Nice! So easy- right?!?! Well- yeah... but you can't make money.

The problem, in my opinion, about Alaska having the same type of contract WN uses- is that Alaska's limited route network limits what FA's can do in any given duty period.

WN FA's can fly from OAK-LAX-ABQ-MCI-MDW in one given day. $$$ is to be made!

However- AS FA's are very limited. WN flies all over the country- making it easier to make the days very productive (and even have decent layovers where you can have some fun!) When I was there (at Alaska, not Southwest (which was not long ago) trips were closer to this:

LAX-SEA-OAK (layover)
OAK-SEA-GEG (layover)
GEG-SEA-LAX (back to base)

or:

LAX-SEA-GEG (layover)
GEG-LAX-YVR (layover)
YVR-LAX (home base)

Hmmm... very limited. Alaska flight attendants get paid 4 TFP (trips for pay) for any given day. LAX-SEA-GEG is 4 trips. If you flew LAX-SFO, you'd get 4TFP (see my point)? Therefore- these types of pairings are NOT productive.

Here is an example of a good trip (for pay reasons):

LAX-PDX-LAS-PDX (layover)
PDX-SFO-SJD-SFO (layover)
SFO-LAX-SJD-LAX (home base)

or: (here's a good summer trip the LAX base gets (or has at one time)

LAX-SEA-FAI (layover)
FAI-ANC-SEA-GEG (layover)
GEG-LAX-YVR-LAX (home base)

or: (my personal favorite two day in the winter)

ONT(co-domicle of LAX)-SEA-PVR (layover)
PVR-SEA-ONT (home base) My friend Chase likes this trip too!  Wink

These 3 are VERY productive trips. But- you are also tired as hell in some instances. Any trip of any sort that includes a CABO turn- is a hard trip. Cabo turns are NOT fun at all! Let alone 2 on one trip (example 2) .... ick. Trust me on this one..... (although I guess it is a matter of opinon).

Anyway- my point is that Alaska's FA pairings are good for those who do the job for the layovers. For those that want to make money- their contract limits that a little bit too much. Especially junior flight attendants.

The most senior trip at Alaska for the LAX base??? Daytime MEX or ZIH turn.

edited to specify I worked for AS, not WN

[Edited 2006-08-26 06:32:41]

[Edited 2006-08-26 06:35:12]
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:42 pm

WeAreUnited: What do you mean you don't agree? These are actual lines taken from our gatesheet today. They are not PDX base lines, they are LAX lines.

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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 24):
WeAreUnited: What do you mean you don't agree? These are actual lines taken from our gatesheet today. They are not PDX base lines, they are LAX lines.

Sorry- didn't mean it that way. In general- these would be good trips. I'm guessing the first trip is LAX with the 2nd one being a SEA trip?!?!?!

Trips like this are few and far between.....

I've been gone since March- so if trips are more like this now- that is good for AS and good for the FA's!
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:25 pm

Thanks WeAreUnited and AS739X! It looks like most AS FA lines are generally three days and sometimes two. Any one day lines?

Zach
 
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RE: AS Crew Bases (question)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:53 pm

Quoting FightingDingo (Reply 26):
Thanks WeAreUnited and AS739X! It looks like most AS FA lines are generally three days and sometimes two. Any one day lines?

TONS!!!! A good portion of Alaska's flying is turns!

Out of LAX- they have turns to SJD (ick), PVR, ZIH, MEX, GDL, LTO, YVR, PDX, SEA, MZT, and ZLO.

Out of the SNA co-domicile- they sometimes have a 3-leg turn SNA-OAK-SEA-SNA.

SEA has even more... not as familiar with their lines though.