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UA/US A330s To Hawaii

Tue Jun 27, 2000 11:01 am

It seems like that if the merger were to go through, USAirways' fleet of 7 A330-300s would fit perfectly on Hawaii runs. I went through the planning and have came to the conclusion that they could fly almost all (if not all) current jumbo flights to Hawaii with the 7 A330s, except for HNL-ORD-HNL. This would free up 767s and 777s while allowing the retirement of the 747-200s. Seems like a good plan to me...
 
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RE: UA/US A330s To Hawaii

Tue Jun 27, 2000 11:16 am

I agree
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RE: UA/US A330s To Hawaii

Tue Jun 27, 2000 11:24 am

It would work, but it would be extremely costly to keep only between 7 and 10 aircraft of one type which have little to no commonality with the rest of UA's fleet.

The other bad part is that if the deal goes through, the A330's will be the first to leave.

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RE: UA/US A330s To Hawaii

Tue Jun 27, 2000 11:39 am

As far as I know, Hawaii flying at every airline is but a necessary evil -- it's a low-yeild leisure market where most pax redeem FF miles. I wouldn't think it in the best interest of the lines to deploy fancy new aircraft on such a gonzo route.

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RE: UA/US A330s To Hawaii

Tue Jun 27, 2000 11:46 am

I remember when UA accquiered Pan Am's Pacific division they recevied about 10 L-1011-500's, which they kept in service for about two years. but undoubtably should the UA/US deal go through it would be likely that they would be sold back to Airbus in exchange for more A32X's. As for the Hawaii market, United has been flying there since the late 40's and has the most service from the mainland to Hawaii... obviously for them it is making enough money to fly from 3 gateways to 4 Hawaiian cities. Plus I don't think you can fill up a 747 or a DC-10 with nothing but people who have 40 or 50,000 FF miles to kill.
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RE: UA/US A330s To Hawaii

Wed Jun 28, 2000 1:06 am

You are correct that an entire 747 or DC-10 could hardly be filled with FF miles alone, but it sure isn't filled with full-fare pax either. There is hardly any lucrative business traffic on these routes that primarily serve the low-yield leisure market. That is why (I believe) most lines don't use newer aircraft on Hawaii flying if at all possible.
 
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RE: UA/US A330s To Hawaii

Wed Jun 28, 2000 1:46 am

If the United/US Airways mergers go through, expect the A330-300's to be exchanged back to Airbus in lieu of more A319's and A320's. This means that United will fly the 777-200 from Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Charlotte to Europe in place of the A330-300.

Anyway, from SFO United flies mostly 747-200's and DC-10-10's on their SFO to Hawaii flights. But as these planes are phased out over the next decade, I expect United to fly the 777-200 more often to Hawaii, especially since I expect eventually that United may sport 100 or more 777's in their fleet.