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SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:28 am

hello-
I don't want to start a flame thread or anything of the sort I thought that I'd just share this bit of information that I stumbled upon...

you know how Singapores slogan has been "First to fly the A380 in 2006." well the other day I was on the website and I saw that it still said 2006, I just looked and they have taken away the 2006 part from all parts of the website.
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/index.jsp
http://www.a380.singaporeair.com/home.html

I have just e-mailed SQ to ask them if it is true... not sure what they will say.
what are your thoughts on this?
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SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:49 am

Interesting. I wonder what happened since this week-end. I was on the SIA web site to check on a booking and I specifically remember wondering whether the "in 2006" would pan out. I guess someone somewhere had a meeting this week and decided not.
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SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:36 pm

There have already been quotes from articles on here about this, Airbus is expected to deliver the A380 to SQ in December (maybe) but SQ wont put it into revenue flight until about April 2007. This has been the 'plan' since the first 6month delay, so its not new.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:12 pm

As a personal observation, the "First to fly the A380 in 2006" slogan began disappearing from SQ employee business cards in 2005.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:26 pm

SQ are hoping to take delivery of their first WhaleJet in December. About a month will be required before it can enter commercial service. It's been clear for a long time that, barring a miracle, EIS will be in 2007.
 
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SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:00 pm

IIRC, in a couple of earlier threads locals have reported that the ""First to fly the A380 in 2006" slogan was removed from the large SIA billboards on the Orchard Road and Chinatown, as well as bus placards in July.
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SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 12):
slogan was removed from the large SIA billboards on the Orchard Road and Chinatown

I shall investigate at my earliest convenience.
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:17 pm

well i certainly hope they will STILL be flying the A380 in 2007  Wink
 
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SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:31 pm

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 15):
well i certainly hope they will STILL be flying the A380 in 2007

then it will be in 2008 then 2009 and so on !
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:36 pm

Definitely by 2008!

When does the 787 go up?
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9):
Definitely by 2008!

It's difficult to imagine the WhaleJet's EIS slipping another year to 2008. It's a safe bet EIS will be in 2007.

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9):
When does the 787 go up?

First flight in 2007, EIS in 2008.
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Thread starter):
IIRC, in a couple of earlier threads locals have reported that the ""First to fly the A380 in 2006" slogan was removed from the large SIA billboards on the Orchard Road and Chinatown, as well as bus placards in July.

When i was in Singapore last month i noticed this also.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:53 am

This has been the 'plan' since the first 6month delay, so its not new.

Is this a true statement? When was the first delay announced? If so, why did SQ wait so long to adjust their adverts?
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 3):
As a personal observation, the "First to fly the A380 in 2006" slogan began disappearing from SQ employee business cards in 2005.

The LHR advertising boards never mentioned "in 2006". Wise move.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
but SQ wont put it into revenue flight until about April 2007. This has been the 'plan' since the first 6month delay, so its not new.

Bull. After the first 6-month delay they (SQ) were still looking at first revenue service by December 2006. It's been the 2nd 6-month delay that caused the first rev flight to slip into 2007.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 12):
If so, why did SQ wait so long to adjust their adverts?

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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 14):
Bull. After the first 6-month delay they (SQ) were still looking at first revenue service by December 2006. It's been the 2nd 6-month delay that caused the first rev flight to slip into 2007.

That's the reality. Some people like to rewrite history, however.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:49 am

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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:06 am

still the biggest passenger plane! Bahhh!
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 14):
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
"but SQ wont put it into revenue flight until about April 2007. This has been the 'plan' since the first 6month delay, so its not new."

Bull. After the first 6-month delay they (SQ) were still looking at first revenue service by December 2006. It's been the 2nd 6-month delay that caused the first rev flight to slip into 2007.

No, you are incorrect here. I recall in briefings that were given before the second 6 mo delay was announced, that delivery to SQ was due before the end of 06 (last quarter) with the exact date of the first revenue flight not clearly given. Most people (media included) focussed mainly on the delivery date. From memory I think SQ were planning revenue flights in early 07 as time is needed for acceptance procedures etc. I recall that this was also as publicised outside Airbus for quite some time during 06.

In any case, the second 6 mo delay (if you're referring to the one resulting from the wiring harness installation issues) didn't and doesn't affect the targets for the initial SQ deliveries at all. The SQ delivery target remained unchanged.

I can't remember from which a/c onward are affected by the latter delay, but it certainly wasn't the initial SQ aircraft.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
That's the reality. Some people like to rewrite history, however.

Not in this case.

(unless I've misunderstood which delay is being referred to above...)
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Hb88 (Reply 18):
No, you are incorrect here.

No, I'm not. You and RichardPrice are...

In an interview with SQ's B.K. Ong, General Manager India:

QUESTION: Tell us more about the Airbus A380?
ANSWER: We will be the first airline to operate A380 in December ’06.

QUESTION: What is your outlook?
ANSWER: As we mentioned at our quarterly results, the outlook for air travel in 2006 is encouraging, given the sound economic outlook for the major markets. Fuel prices remained high by historical standard, and continue to be a concern to the Group.

Singapore Airlines will take delivery of two Airbus A380-800s and six Boeing 777-300ERs, and de-commission six B747-400s, during 2006, thereby increasing the operating fleet to 92 passenger aircraft by 31 December 2006. The first Airbus A380-800 and the first Boeing 777-300ER are expected to be delivered in November 2006.


This interview was posted on April 4, 2006 -- two months before the SECOND delay was announced.

http://www.indiainfoline.com/view/040406b.html

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 19):
No, I'm not. You and RichardPrice are...

In an interview with SQ's B.K. Ong, General Manager India:

QUESTION: Tell us more about the Airbus A380?
ANSWER: We will be the first airline to operate A380 in December �06.

QUESTION: What is your outlook?
ANSWER: As we mentioned at our quarterly results, the outlook for air travel in 2006 is encouraging, given the sound economic outlook for the major markets. Fuel prices remained high by historical standard, and continue to be a concern to the Group.

Singapore Airlines will take delivery of two Airbus A380-800s and six Boeing 777-300ERs, and de-commission six B747-400s, during 2006, thereby increasing the operating fleet to 92 passenger aircraft by 31 December 2006. The first Airbus A380-800 and the first Boeing 777-300ER are expected to be delivered in November 2006.

This interview was posted on April 4, 2006 -- two months before the SECOND delay was announced.

As I said, it wasn't entirely clear when the first revenue flight was expected. My recollection was that the first passenger service was anticipated as above in my post. I wonder if in the interview he was referring to SQ taking delivery or actually making the first revenue flights. 'operating' isn't quite clear. Remember the time period could be only a matter of a month or weeks between 06 and 07 so it's probably splitting hairs to argue over it in any case (unless you desparately *want* to lambaste Airbus for delays wherever possible etc etc ).

Anyway, the point remains the same, the second 6 mo delay did NOT affect the delay or otherwise of the SQ aircraft. The aircraft for the first delivery were flying well before the wiring harness industrial rampup issues became apparent. If you recall, this delay was due to the installation of the wiring harnesses not meeting the rate required to meet the forward delivery targets. In terms of the first SQ 380 (and a number of other hulls I believe), it wasn't relevant.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:59 am

I meant to add this to my last post: but for details on the specifics of the delay caused by the rewiring ramp-up issue, see FI:

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...The+race+to+rewire+the+Airbus.html

This makes it clear that the '06 delivery to SQ of the 380 is not affected by this issue (the SECOND 6 mo delay).
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting Hb88 (Reply 20):
I wonder if in the interview he was referring to SQ taking delivery or actually making the first revenue flights. 'operating' isn't quite clear.

I don't see any ambiguity. He states clearly that the first A380 will be delivered in November 2006 and they will be the first to operate it in December 2006.

Still have doubts? How about these:

Singapore Airlines will take delivery of the A380, the world`s largest passenger aircraft, in November 2006; this will be followed by entry into commercial service in December 2006. The aircraft will first fly on the Kangaroo route, between London, Singapore and Sydney.

http://www.traveldailynews.com/new.asp?newid=29794&subcategory_id=53

Airbus has revealed that A380 launch customer Singapore Airlines will receive its first aircraft too late in the year to place it into service in 2006, as SQ had hoped.

http://www.luchtzak.be/article11828.html

And, why, looky here! Even Airbus itself still says on its site:

Singapore Airlines
the first carrier to introduce the A380 in revenue service at the end of 2006.


Look at the bottom of the page at this link:
http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a380/a380/

Doesn't look like "splitting hairs" or ambiguity to me.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Hb88 (Reply 21):
This makes it clear that the '06 delivery to SQ of the 380 is not affected by this issue (the SECOND 6 mo delay).

"The first Airbus A380-800 and the first Boeing 777-300ER are expected to be delivered in November 2006. " SQ, April, 2006

"Singapore Airlines will have 19 firm orders and 6 options for the Airbus A380 and is now scheduled to take delivery of its first aircraft in December 2006."
SQ, July 21, 2006

What happened between April and July that caused the delivery delay from November to December if not the delays announced in June?
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 23):
"Singapore Airlines will have 19 firm orders and 6 options for the Airbus A380 and is now scheduled to take delivery of its first aircraft in December 2006."
SQ, July 21, 2006

It appears to me that Airbus still has a major challenge to certify and deliver the first SQ A380 in Dec. '06.

There are only 129 days left to go.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 24):
It appears to me that Airbus still has a major challenge to certify and deliver the first SQ A380 in Dec. '06.

Will Airbus certify the aircraft, or should you have said EASA/FAA.

Or are you trying to infer that your mates at the FAA will try every trick not to get it certified this year ? Amazing how red tape appears and disappears when they want.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:01 am

hello again... I am still waiting for a reply from SQ... but here is what my last e-mail said:

> Dear Mr. Horne ,
>
> We refer to your email dated 26 July 2006 with
> regards to the first
> commercial flight on the A380.
>
> The first flight is scheduled to take place at the
> end of 2006. SIA will
> first fly the A380 between Singapore, Sydney and
> London.
> Details of the first flights are in the process of
> being finalised. Please
> visit singaporeair.com/a380 to register and receive
> regular email updates.
>
> We look forward to welcoming you onboard, and to
> keeping you updated on
> the latest news on the A380.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
>
> The Singapore Airlines A380 Team


I recieved this on the 28th of July... they still had the "first to fly in 2006" up on their website, so I wonder what the verdict will be now.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 25):
Will Airbus certify the aircraft, or should you have said EASA/FAA.

Or are you trying to infer that your mates at the FAA will try every trick not to get it certified this year ? Amazing how red tape appears and disappears when they want.

I only said that Airbus has a challenge over the next 129 days, the same as any OEM would face when dealing with the rigors of completing the test program, finishing up the data reports, getting EASA/FAA approvals for the Type Certification, completing the customer's First of Model airplane and then certifying the FOM with both EASA/FAA and the Singapore Cert. Agency. This is besides the final word from ICAO on A380 wake separation standards.

There is a tremendous amount of paper work involved and this is never an easy time in the development of any new airplane.

With the time left to go, my hat is off to Airbus if they can pull off delivery to SQ before the end of the year.

[Edited 2006-08-25 01:37:57]
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 25):
Or are you trying to infer that your mates at the FAA will try every trick not to get it certified this year ? Amazing how red tape appears and disappears when they want.

Ah yes, the grand conspiracy against Airbus. LOL.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:33 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 27):
I only said that Airbus has a challenge over the next 129 days, the same as any OEM would face when dealing with the rigors of completing the test program, finishing up the data reports, getting EASA/FAA approvals for the Type Certification, completing the customer's First of Model airplane and then certifying the FOM with both EASA/FAA and the Singapore Cert. Agency. This is besides the final word from ICAO on A380 wake separation standards.

You make it should like Airbus has to finish off all the reports then EASA/FAA approve them, you kindly dont mention that the 380 has passed a lot of the certification process with EASA/FAA, its a gradual process, and a lot of significant milestones have already been achieved. You know EASA/FAA have had a certification team attached to the project for some time.

The "final word from ICAO on A380 wake separation standards", is not a certification issue, never has been, not the first time you have tried to throw that into the debate to muddy the waters from less experienced people who dont know it has NOTHING to do with the aircraft being certified or receiving its TCDS.

It will not be an issue in SYD-SIN-LHR due to current standards employed at those airports, e.g. for SIN they allow 7.5 nm between most traffic already, and SQ traffic tends to get bumped onto 20C/02C because its closer to terminal 2 where they can have 20 nm separation if they wanted. LHR/LGW has always exceeded ICAO requirements, you know that. SYD is just not that busy to be effected by 2-3 380 movements a day.

In terms of CAAS certification, they do not certify aircraft, they automatically accept a TCDS from other CAAs, no test flight is required as the aircraft is delivered new. Under CAAS rules, second hand aircraft need to have a flight and ground inspection program approved for the import of an aircraft.

CAAS will need to have their SQ inspector trained and rated on the 380, it may also require a few circuits in the aircraft, this can be done in TLS with any of teh aircraft presently flying.

SQ will not commence commercial services immediately when the first of type 380 is delivered, nor will they to my understanding do that with the 773ER.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 29):
You make it should like Airbus has to finish off all the reports then EASA/FAA approve them, you kindly dont mention that the 380 has passed a lot of the certification process with EASA/FAA, its a gradual process, and a lot of significant milestones have already been achieved. You know EASA/FAA have had a certification team attached to the project for some time.

No argument, but the last minute crush of data for tests that are still being conducted and the acceptance of the reports by EASA/FAA can get to be very trying. For instance, has the F&R flying been completed yet? All the reports will have to be finished and accepted before the TCDS is issued.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 29):
The "final word from ICAO on A380 wake separation standards", is not a certification issue, never has been, not the first time you have tried to throw that into the debate to muddy the waters from less experienced people who dont know it has NOTHING to do with the aircraft being certified or receiving its TCDS.

Where did I state that the wake separation standard was a TCDS item? However, this standard will need to be established before the airplane operates commercially in the ATC environment.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 29):
In terms of CAAS certification, they do not certify aircraft, they automatically accept a TCDS from other CAAs, no test flight is required as the aircraft is delivered new. Under CAAS rules, second hand aircraft need to have a flight and ground inspection program approved for the import of an aircraft.

CAAS will need to have their SQ inspector trained and rated on the 380, it may also require a few circuits in the aircraft, this can be done in TLS with any of teh aircraft presently flying.

The FOM A380 will need to be certified by EASA/FAA, just like any other Part 25 airplane. This will involve a flight test of the FOM airplane by EASA. FAA has probably delegated their FOM testing to EASA. It's a standard test on the first example of an airplane being delivered to a new customer. It can only be performed on the FOM since its configuration (interior included) is unique as it contains a specific set of customer options. The CAAS will need to review and accept this FOM certification.

Now please relax. I haven't said Airbus can't do it, only that it will be a challenge. The need for your angry tone is difficult to understand.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 28):
Ah yes, the grand conspiracy against Airbus. LOL.

You mean like bills proposed to the Congress (no less) to have Airbus pay for US airport growth? Or to have it carry special couter-measures? Or are you just referring to the utterly-biased reports in say Forbes or the WSJ?

Yes - it is the case that for some unexplainable reason many in the US take the A380 as a "mine is bigger than yours" issue. Just compare the difference of treatment of the overweight problems of the A380 with those of the B787 on this very web site. "nightmare", "tip of the iceberg", "it will never fly", "it is ugly", "I will never fly in it", etc.

Myself I find it amusing how childish this misconception of patriotism can be.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 23):
The first Airbus A380-800 and the first Boeing 777-300ER are expected to be delivered in November 2006

In the meantime, Boeing will deliver to SQ its first 773ER in September. She was ready to go out the factory door when I visit Everett last week.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:56 pm

Quoting Glacote (Reply 31):
You mean like bills proposed to the Congress (no less) to have Airbus pay for US airport growth? Or to have it carry special couter-measures?

Please. How far did those bills get in the legislative process? Airbus's lobbyists on Capital Hill saw to it that there was never any serious consideration of those bills.

Why is the WSJ biased against Airbus? Because they've done some solid journalism on the "wake turbulence" contretemps? Why would Dr. Humbert give the WSJ an exclusive on the "inside story" of the "A350 re-think" if it was merely a jingoistic rag?
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:03 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 32):
What happened here?

They delayed them to November so as not to offer the "new" product before the A380 could showcase it.

But even after last year's work stoppage, Boeing could have had the first jets to SQ already.

I am sure that SQ decided that with the looming, long term capacity crunch due to the delays of the 380 into their fleet for up to 1 year (not the first, but the rest), that they need these 77Ws and the short-term 330s as soon as possible.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:09 pm

Any idea how much changing the ads will cost SQ? And is Airbus helping defray any of those costs? Not that I think they should, as it was a bad move on SQ's part not to prepare for delays, which seem to always happen to some extent with any new aircraft.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:14 pm

The only really poor move, in my estimation, was to delay the 77W deliveries once the first A380 delays were announced. I think they are regretting that now, and rather silently reversing the decision.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:25 pm

This was taken today.



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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 30):
Where did I state that the wake separation standard was a TCDS item? However, this standard will need to be established before the airplane operates commercially in the ATC environment.

No requirement at all, you keep trying to say it is. Even if 20 A380s were in service, present arrangements would not cause delays at LHR-SIN-SYD.

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 30):
The FOM A380 will need to be certified by EASA/FAA, just like any other Part 25 airplane. This will involve a flight test of the FOM airplane by EASA. FAA has probably delegated their FOM testing to EASA. It's a standard test on the first example of an airplane being delivered to a new customer. It can only be performed on the FOM since its configuration (interior included) is unique as it contains a specific set of customer options. The CAAS will need to review and accept this FOM certification.

To the best of my knowledge people from EASA/FAA have flown the 380, did so some months back. From memory I think this was mentioned in passing in a flight international article.

The FCOM and flight manuals basically exist, flight test data is being used to validate the predictions

In my experience with Airbus manuals and CAAS, they put a chop on it thats all. They do not have much expertise in house to do much at all, the do not have the depth to even write their own exam papers.

CAAS would have more to do with the local AOCR than specific airbus manuals, SQ has to get this in place in order to operate the aircraft under its AOC.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:13 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 12):
When was the first delay announced? If so, why did SQ wait so long to adjust their adverts?

The first delay (after contracts were signed) was a two-month delay from Feb to Apr 2006 (delivery) and Mar to May 2006 (EIS). The second delay pushed delivery from May to Nov 2006. At that point, SQ were still publicly claiming EIS in 2006, though many people (called Airbus bashers here) were skeptical. Only after the third (six to seven month) delay was announced did SQ abandon hope of a 2006 EIS -- and then not very promptly.
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 39):
The first delay (after contracts were signed) was a two-month delay from Feb to Apr 2006 (delivery) and Mar to May 2006 (EIS). The second delay pushed delivery from May to Nov 2006. At that point, SQ were still publicly claiming EIS in 2006, though many people (called Airbus bashers here) were skeptical. Only after the third (six to seven month) delay was announced did SQ abandon hope of a 2006 EIS -- and then not very promptly.

I wonder how long talk by Airbus employees of these latest purported delays will push EIS back? If there's any truth to them will we see EIS in 2007?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9067-2328109,00.html
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:58 pm

In the e-mail I received today from SQ confirming my "Singapore Airlines A380 Virtual Intelligence Passport" application the following graphic appeared:



On the actual website, the graphic appears as follows:



Hopefully, SQ will sort-out the mixed messages promptly.

[Edited 2006-08-25 16:22:26]
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 38):
To the best of my knowledge people from EASA/FAA have flown the 380, did so some months back. From memory I think this was mentioned in passing in a flight international article.

Don't confuse the Type Certification flight test with the First of Model flight test. Even if an airplane has been certified for a number of years, a delivery to a new customer with the set of options selected by that customer still requires an FOM flight test. EASA and the FAA want to be shown that everything works in concert, particularly the communication equipment.

The good news is that the FOM flight is usually short and can be done in about half a day. However, the airplane must have a TC for this test to be performed. Therefore, it must wait until shortly before delivery.
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 38):
No requirement at all, you keep trying to say it is. Even if 20 A380s were in service, present arrangements would not cause delays at LHR-SIN-SYD.

The current ICAO Iterim Guidance represents an operating standard. If all parties are happy with the current separation requirements, you're right, it doesn't have to change. However, I think Airbus would like a reduction in the separation distances and times prior to EIS.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 40):
I wonder how long talk by Airbus employees of these latest purported delays will push EIS back?

In a company that large, it's possible to find some employees who will say almost anything. If the story were that executives are suggesting it, I would give it more credence. Of course, more delays are certainly possible.

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 40):
If there's any truth to them will we see EIS in 2007?

Even with more delays, EIS is still likely to be in 2007.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 34):
They delayed them to November so as not to offer the "new" product before the A380 could showcase it.

If they delayed to November, they will still get them before the A380. But according to Carpethead, Boeing will deliver in September, so I'm a bit confused by your comment that they delayed delivery to November.

Are they starting delivery in September, 2006 or is it November 2006?
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:27 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 43):
The current ICAO Iterim Guidance represents an operating standard. If all parties are happy with the current separation requirements, you're right, it doesn't have to change. However, I think Airbus would like a reduction in the separation distances and times prior to EIS.

Think Airbus is more than happy with current arrangements, rather get it correct first go than to try and win a PR battle if it is not correct.

No rush to set anything in concrete, you know the delivery schedule, even 18+ months after SQ have them would be enough time to get it right.
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 45):
If they delayed to November, they will still get them before the A380. But according to Carpethead, Boeing will deliver in September, so I'm a bit confused by your comment that they delayed delivery to November.

Are they starting delivery in September, 2006 or is it November 2006?

SQ negotiated a delay of first B777-300ER delivery to September, so that the first few could enter service in December a few days after the WhaleJet would have (prior to announcement of the third delay). Now that the WhaleJet won't enter service until 2007, it seems that SQ will probably start B777-300ER service in October or early November.
 
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:58 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 47):
SQ negotiated a delay of first B777-300ER delivery to September, so that the first few could enter service in December a few days after the WhaleJet would have (prior to announcement of the third delay).

So it was SQ that negotiated a strike of Boeing employees ?
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RE: SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:51 pm

I was talking to one of the companies that has contractors (rented out mechanics) at Airbus a couple weeks ago.
He told me that they had lots of electricians in Tolouse these days, working 24/7 to sort out the electrical problems. And as soon as that was finished he would need about 50 cabin fitters to go to Germany to start fitting interior on the first aircrafts to be delivered. He expected the cabin fitting to start in a couple months time.
Dephending on how smooth that job goes, they should be able to deliver it in November or early December..

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