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The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:29 pm

I landed at MDW on Tuesday evening the 22nd and there outside the ATA hanger (where she has been sequestered for over 9 months) was SWA's ill fated N471WN which was the over run aricraft that ended up in the intersection of 55th and Central and sadly one young man was killed in a car---the only loss of life in SWA's brilliant 35 year histroy. And what a sight to behold she was! She was all green (new metal) on the bottom from the nose to the tale with the rebuild and had new, but unpainted engines. She looked ready to fly and was not outside the next day when I left. SWA has kept this very quiet but please help us SWA employees on this forum and tell us if she has left Midway and if so when and where she is bound and where the final work will be done on her and when we can see her back in service. By the way, her new registration will be N286WN.
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:41 am

All right you Chicago area lens freaks...we need pictures!!!! Big grin  Big grin  Big grin
 
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:54 am

it isn't at MDW, it flew to PAE yesterday
 
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:23 am

Wow so I saw it right before it flew again!! What time did it leave MDW? When will it be back in service?
 
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:27 am

it flew yesterday morning, arriving at PAE around 10:15AM local time
 
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:38 am

Can anyone tell us when the a/c will return to service?
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:44 am

Hmmm... I will be in Everett tomorrow and my new digital camera just arrived. I will see if I can sneak a photo even though I bet she is in a hangar.

[Edit for word usage]

[Edited 2006-08-25 23:45:55]
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Dbba (Thread starter):
the only loss of life in SWA's brilliant 35 year histroy

Does the really count as a loss of life for WN? I don't want to sound really cold hearted, but the child that died was not a passenger of WN.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 7):
Does the really count as a loss of life for WN? I don't want to sound really cold hearted, but the child that died was not a passenger of WN.

I'm not trying to sound harsh here either, but I think it has to count as a loss of life fpr WN. It's an unfourtunate death that happened as the result of their operating the aircraft.

At the risk of potentially oversimplifying, if for example you are driving your car and run over a pedestrian are you responsible for their death? Or since they weren't a passenger in your car it's unfourtinate that they died, but you have nothing to do with it?

Even though arguements can be made about them not technically being responsible for the death, can you imagine the PR hell that they would catch if they took the position "Yeah, someone died. Oh well, they weren't one of our pax so we haven't had any unnatrual deaths yet?" -- less liability to just take the blame/responsibility, appologize, and move on, IMHO.

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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:28 am

My friend working at SJC sent me a text message at 6AM reading "a/c 286 is my originator going LAS MDW". Looks like she's back in service!
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:34 am

Thanks so much SILVER1SWA for this update......It is a great thing to know that this beautiful and innocent bird flies again and well.
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 9):
My friend working at SJC sent me a text message at 6AM reading "a/c 286 is my originator going LAS MDW"

It's great she'll be flying back to MDW on her first day back in service.
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 11):
It's great she'll be flying back to MDW on her first day back in service.

Actually, she went back into service yesterday, 8/31, an OAK departure, I think...
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:52 am

From what i understand it was not considered a death due to Southwest because the child did not die onboard the aircraft. He was not a passenger with or on SWA and was not affiliated with them.

So thereby it is not counted as a death for Southwest Airlines.

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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):


From what i understand it was not considered a death due to Southwest because the child did not die onboard the aircraft. He was not a passenger with or on SWA and was not affiliated with them.

Of course it's considered a death to Southwest. Offically or not, that kid would still be alive today if it weren't for that flight. Besides NTSB reports always include deaths on the ground, IRRC, so it's an offical death.

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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 14):
NTSB reports always include deaths on the ground, IRRC, so it's an offical death.

Correct. See below:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051213X01964&key=1

NTSB Identification: DCA06MA009.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of SOUTHWEST AIRLINES CO
Accident occurred Thursday, December 08, 2005 in Chicago, IL
Aircraft: Boeing 737-700, registration: N471WN
Injuries: 1 Fatal, 12 Minor, 103 Uninjured.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

A Southwest Airline B737-700, flight number 1248, slid off the runway at Chicago Midway Airport. The flight was from BWI to Midway. There was snow at the time of the accident. The flight was delayed from leaving BWI due to weather and held for 35 minutes before landing at Midway. Upon landing at Midway the airplane slid of the runway and went through a barrier fence and onto a roadway. There were 98 passengers onboard and 5 crew members on board. An emergency evacuation was done and no injuries have been reported. There are prelim reports of one ground fatality and 12 other ground injuries.
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
From what i understand it was not considered a death due to Southwest because the child did not die onboard the aircraft. He was not a passenger with or on SWA and was not affiliated with them.

So thereby it is not counted as a death for Southwest Airlines.

Sorry, Alex, but you're wrong. Do a search for N.T.S.B. 830 and take the time to read it carefully. Clearly, this fatality did result from the operation of a U.S. civil aircraft, operated by Southwest.

Southwest is a great airline staffed by thousands of great employees; this is a very unfortunate tragedy.
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:41 pm

Thanks for the correction folks, I was told quite a bit the person has to be killed on board the aircraft for it to be considered a death for the airline.

Obviously not the case here.

Alex

[Edited 2006-09-02 05:41:49]
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:40 pm

Why did they have to change the registration?
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:10 am

To cover up what has happened with that aircraft; you don't want pax running searches on a reg number and realizing "I just flew on a plane that crashed!" Nor do you want employees to remember an aircraft they are working as the "MDW overrun bird." Like most marketing/advertising/P.R. moves, this one also strikes me as being pretty corny.

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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 19):
To cover up what has happened with that aircraft; you don't want pax running searches on a reg number and realizing "I just flew on a plane that crashed!" Nor do you want employees to remember an aircraft they are working as the "MDW overrun bird." Like most marketing/advertising/P.R. moves, this one also strikes me as being pretty corny.

I wonder how retiring a registration is different from retiring a flight number (TWA 800, DL 5191...). The practice has always struck me as understandable and sensitive. What do you think?
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting 33Zulu (Reply 20):
I wonder how retiring a registration is different from retiring a flight number (TWA 800, DL 5191...). The practice has always struck me as understandable and sensitive. What do you think?

I agree, mainly about the flight number, which is so often quoted in the medias, after an accident, I think it could make most passengers feel uneasy. About the registration number... well, it feels a bit strange, because most of the people who would recognize an accidented aircraft from its reg. will know about its new reg., as has already been demonstrated in this thread.

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Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 21):
because most of the people who would recognize an accidented aircraft from its reg. will know about its new reg., as has already been demonstrated in this thread.

Actually, where have you seen on the news that N471WN is now re registered? You haven't. Unless you log onto airliners.net to look for it, you won't know it was re registered. I know I have not heard anything on the news.

Flight 1248 has also been retired from Southwest Airlines.

I flew this flight 3 weeks prior to it going off the runway, flew it Nov 13th 2005.

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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 19):
Nor do you want employees to remember an aircraft they are working as the "MDW overrun bird."

I think it's more for the passengers. It's not hard for employees, especially those dealing directly with the aircraft such as crew, rampers, ops, etc. to figure out or catch word that it is the same bird involved in the accident. Right now, the reg # being out of sequence is already drawing attention to it.
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:05 am

IIRC, they also re-registered the UA 747 that suffered a cargo door blowout and the loss of part of the fuselage about twenty years ago.
 
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 23):
think it's more for the passengers. It's not hard for employees, especially those dealing directly with the aircraft such as crew, rampers, ops, etc. to figure out or catch word that it is the same bird involved in the accident.

Ain't that the truth!

Back in 1984 I was standing in a Denver jetway waiting to board a Frontier 737 along with a friend of mine whose father worked for Boeing for thirty years. When we told a passenger it was a Boeing 737 he told us straight to our faces that "Boeing never made a 737!" He was serious!

What I really want to see is the repair job done on this aircraft as compared to an undamaged -700 model.
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 22):
Quoting Aircellist (Reply 21):because most of the people who would recognize an accidented aircraft from its reg. will know about its new reg., as has already been demonstrated in this thread.

Actually, where have you seen on the news that N471WN is now re registered? You haven't. Unless you log onto airliners.net to look for it, you won't know it was re registered. I know I have not heard anything on the news.

I haven't seen it on the news, I've seen it on the thread starter's post. I believe many of the persons that would recognize an airplane by its reg. are regular onlookers here, or have access to the same sources. For the general public, well... It may not be that necessary, but I suppose some members of the public may have seen the reg. on pictures of the accident, and could be sensitive about the issue. Changing the flight number is surely the most important aspect, as every report in the news does mention it, for years to come.
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 21):
About the registration number... well, it feels a bit strange, because most of the people who would recognize an accidented aircraft from its reg. will know about its new reg., as has already been demonstrated in this thread.

Absolutley true. I've had the pleasure of flying C-GITS a year and a half after its glide over the Atlantic but I was probably the only person on the flight who knew about it. C-GAUN has also always had the same registration.

I don't see why the new reg is needed.
 
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:12 pm

You guys have to remember that those of us who frequent this site are about 3 standard deviations to the right of your average pax in terms of aviation IQ; change the reg number and any potential problem becomes "invisible" to them. Personally, once the bird is repaired I feel they should proudly fly it as originally registered -- there was nothing wrong with the registration before the accident and as long as WN is confident the bird has been repaired (as they surely are) there should be no problem with it now. It certainly would serve as a symbol of the commitment the airline must have to safety on each flight. It smells too much like a marketing gloss job when you repair the plane and feel that the registration needs to be changed. Reality is what it is, whether a company likes it or not. I find the trend to game reality at both ends a bit disconcerting, but that's the way of American-style capitalism (and that is coming from an economist!).

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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting Arffguy (Reply 25):
What I really want to see is the repair job done on this aircraft as compared to an undamaged -700 model.

To the average person,passenger, or even an average automotive mechanic or individual that doesn't know how things are repaired in the aviaton industry, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the repair at MDW or a new plane at Boeing. There are standards that the FAA and Boeing set for repairs like this one to be accomplished. A trained eye at Boeing or an experienced aviation technician or even a highly experienced automotive mechanic will able to tell if the repair is up to specs or whether it would be airworthy or not.

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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting Dbba (Thread starter):
was SWA's ill fated N471WN which was the over run aricraft that ended up in the intersection of 55th and Central and sadly one young man was killed in a car---the only loss of life in SWA's brilliant 35 year histroy.

Not an SWA fan by any chance?
 
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:34 am

Back in service as N286WN (msn 32471, ex N471WN)

see this:

http://airlinersgallery.blogspot.com...t-returns-n286wn-ex-n471wn-to.html
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:41 am

I wonder how much $ wise it cost them to put her back into service?
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 31):
Back in service as N286WN (msn 32471, ex N471WN)

Common knowledge by now...
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 32):
I wonder how much $ wise it cost them to put her back into service?

I heard the estimate was $15M-$20M, but as I've yet to see, nor am I likely to see an invoice myself, I'd consider that figure to be just a rumor...  Wink
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:25 am

What is the status of the crew? Are they still on paid leave?
 
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RE: The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!

Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 31):
Back in service as N286WN (msn 32471, ex N471WN)

see this:

http://airlinersgallery.blogspot.com...t-returns-n286wn-ex-n471wn-to.html

So did anyone snap an a.net worthy picture of her before she was re-painted? ClickHappy?  hyper 
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