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Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:46 am

According to reports, last week an Excel 747 had to be evacuated when an apparent power surge ignited an engine. All 519 passengers were evacuated safely on the runway. The flight had arrived from Manchester (MAN).

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm...bo-jet-blaze-drama--name_page.html
(Warning: Sensationalist Reporting)

A couple of questions:
1. Which aircraft was involved? maybe TF-AMK or TF-AMJ?
2. Has the problem been rectified?


Horus

[Edited 2006-08-24 20:47:43]
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
All 519 passengers were evacuated safely on the runway

Wow, 519 passengers - now that's what you called packed!
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting SK736 (Reply 1):
Wow, 519 passengers - now that's what you called packed!

Yep, they know how to pack 'em.

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:55 am

According to ACARS, TF-AMK operated XLA2012 from MAN to SSH last Thursday, when the incident reportedly occured.

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:10 am

In the paper, they say the aircraft is 30-year old. Common on! Whether it's AMJ or AMK, the aircraft is 22 or 23 since first flight. Please stop the BS!!!  Angry  Angry
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting SK736 (Reply 1):
Wow, 519 passengers - now that's what you called packed!

The champion is SS: over 580 seats !
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 5):

The champion is SS: over 580 seats !

Which is where Air Atlanta/Excel got the planes. They were supposed to take a couple in the old Corsair config with 580 seats, but I left the company before that happened. Not sure what config MK is in?

ME and MJ are both 520 seats with 22F, 25C, 473Y


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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:30 am

Wouldnt be surprised if they put it out and did the return flight!

Bloody Excel... they get worse and worse!
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 7):
Bloody Excel... they get worse and worse!

Why's that? because an engine caught fire so the crew chose to evacuate, that sounds like a sensible option depending on the circumstances.

If the fire was caused by bad MX then you may have a point, and as for cramming in so many seats - its a charter airline.

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 8):
Why's that? because an engine caught fire so the crew chose to evacuate, that sounds like a sensible option depending on the circumstances.

Indeed it was sensible. But the point being made is that long delays are becoming the norm with Excel. It will be interesting to see the punctuality stats for charter airlines at the end of the season - I'm sure Excel will be at or near the bottom.
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:39 pm

CWL Dude, stop speaking out of your *rse. The aircraft got stuck in SSH for several days, finally ferried to Europe for an engine change and is not yet back in service, pax were all protected inbound on two aircraft including what was probably a VERY expensive subservice to a European carrier. All in all Excel covered this tech issue very well and the reporting in the article is about 10% fact and 90% bull.

I guess it was Excels fault last weekend that some jerk left a bomb note on an aircraft which disrupted the whole weekend! but that will show in the stats and you will sit behind your pc and all the wannabe airline CEO's like you will start clucking on here again about how bad they are. At least SBE727 has seen sense and realised his own airline is even more of a shower.

[Edited 2006-08-25 10:40:40]
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:12 pm

"ME and MJ are both 520 seats with 22F, 25C, 473Y"
OMG now that is a lot, i always thought they were all economy seating with such a high figure but with F and C its incredible
I remember doing the Hadj in Jeddah and we had 535 on an all economy 747 and we thought that was a lot
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:17 pm

Yeah - CWL-Dude........ put a sock in it! how would you know?

Leave it to the experts for us to view, not the "couch CEO's" of A-net please!

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:21 pm

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
All 519 passengers were evacuated safely on the runway.

Bloody hell thats a tight fit
On another note, check out the 'tabloid' headline
"TOURISTS IN JUMBO JET BLAZE DRAMA"

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 10):
finally ferried to Europe for an engine change and is not yet back in service

Eddie, how did they ferry it back... dumb question I know but was the engine working on this flight or did they just fly with 3 engines ??

any idea of the ferry routing and to where it now is ??
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:10 pm

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 8):
Why's that? because an engine caught fire so the crew chose to evacuate, that sounds like a sensible option depending on the circumstances.

I think he made a great decision. At least he was concerned for the passengers safety.

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 7):
Bloody Excel... they get worse and worse!

And you haven't even flown them, so how would you know if they're good or bad? Oh yeah, i forgot, according to you, an airline is judged but what you see on an airport's arrivals board.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:19 pm

I'm not gonna sit here and argue with everyone, because no matter what I say to support my argument, it's going to get ridiculed, whether it be the strongest or weakest of points!

At the end of the day it's my own opinion, and that's what forum's are for, and as far as I'm concerned... it's yet another reason not to fly XLA!
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
when an apparent power surge ignited an engine

What about those CBs.

Quoting SK736 (Reply 1):
Wow, 519 passengers - now that's what you called packed!



Quoting A342 (Reply 5):
The champion is SS: over 580 seats !

What would the seat pitch be  Smile

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:23 pm

This got me thinking ...

We all know that aircraft have to be tested for evacuations at their maximum capacity; eg. the A380 tested with 803 (or somewhere around there) pax, and I'm sure the high density 744 pax count was in the high 500s.

Is this the largest actual "in-service" evacuation, in terms of pax #s evacuated from a single aircraft? If not, what is?

I know they test these things, but it always amazes me when one of these evacuations happens in the "real world" and everything works properly - shows how well designed the aircraft are, and how well trained the cabin staff are.

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 17):
it's yet another reason not to fly XLA!

Why, because an aircraft which just happened to be wearing XLA titles had an engine fire? One that's only been with them a year and will be gone before next summer? An engine fire can happen on any aircraft, and on this occasion it just happened to be one of XLA's.
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting Litz (Reply 19):
Is this the largest actual "in-service" evacuation, in terms of pax #s evacuated from a single aircraft

Sure looks like it.Amazing.
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:19 am

Cwldude

Your comment is complete rubbish.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 7):
Wouldnt be surprised if they put it out and did the return flight!

Take some advice.

Some would view a allegation of that type, possibly libellous, certainly made without any foundation or basis, and decide to take some action. Perhaps instruct that it be removed from a website, or maybe even consider commencing proceedings against the website or the author of the comment.

So... bear this mind when you post on websites - you could find yourself in a little bit of bother - especially as the rules here make clear, you are responsible for what you write...


The incident sounds not dis-similar to one that happened to a bmi A320 this week at MME - would you not fly them either?


Mel/Litz... the article says passengers were 'ushered' off the plane - it suggests to me this wasn't an evacuation usuing slides etc., but that passengers were deplaned as normal.


Overall, maybe not a non event, but hardly worth the hysteria that some on here, or indeed the newspaper have attached to what happened.
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:38 am

Any pics??

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:24 am

i flew on excel airways on the 16th july, 757 g-vkna,our flight was manchester to zakynthos , we got to southern france an were told we had to head back due to engine trouble,fortunately we diverted to gatwick we waited for 7 hours until g-vknd came for us,
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 4):
the aircraft is 22 or 23 since first flight. Please stop the BS!!!

And so are some A320s
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 25):
And so are some A320s

and your point was what again??

Glad everyone was out okay!!
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
What would the seat pitch be

30" or 31", maybe 32" on some seats. 29 of the 587 seats are some sort of premium class, they are on the upper deck.

However, these are 744s, was the Excel aircraft a -200 or -300 ?
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:57 am

Oh dear, I checked this flight in too!!!
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:59 am

Excel is a 747-300 if I remember rightly A342.  Smile
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting ZBA320 (Reply 29):
Excel is a 747-300 if I remember rightly A342.

Thanks ! Do you also happen to know how many seats it has ?
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:17 am

If it's the same a/c, then it was operating on behalf on FJE (Flyjet)  Smile
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 16):
And you haven't even flown them, so how would you know if they're good or bad? Oh yeah, i forgot, according to you, an airline is judged but what you see on an airport's arrivals board.

Is it wrong to judge an airline based on the airports arrivals board? If price, departure times and service are all very similar then why the hell not!
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 32):
Is it wrong to judge an airline based on the airports arrivals board?

Yes.

Firstly, arrivals boards can be wrong. For example, a few months ago, somebody stated that two Excel flights into Manchester had been cancelled, yet if they went onto the next page, there were two flights, from the same destinations with the same flight numbers, which landed on time. On those occasions, the flights had been rescheduled before hand, but Manchester Airport had stated the original timings, and showed them as cancelled, as well as the new flight times.

Secondly, arrivals boards tell you when an aircraft lands in relation to its scheduled arrival time. In the case of a delay, it doesn't tell you how it's passengers were treated (meal vouchers, updates, hotels in overnight delays etc).

Thirdly, they don't say anything about the service onboard, quality of cabin crew/ground staff etc. Also, they show a flight has a delay, but don't tell you why it's delayed. An XLA flight may be shown with a 24 hour delay - however if that's due to a diversion following the discovery of a bomb note, how does that make XLA a bad company?
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:42 am

I'm guessing 32in pitch and 34 on the EE rows.

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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 33):
Yes

OK, you make 3 good points to take into account when comparing airlines however I will only accept your first one in this case! If you read my initial post I do quite clearly state that I see nothing wrong with judging the arrivals board if other aspects such as 'SERVICE' are very similar. This takes care of your second and third point.
 
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RE: Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)

Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 35):
OK, you make 3 good points to take into account when comparing airlines however I will only accept your first one in this case! If you read my initial post I do quite clearly state that I see nothing wrong with judging the arrivals board if other aspects such as 'SERVICE' are very similar. This takes care of your second and third point.

But cwldude hasn't even flown Excel, so knows nothing about the service. He's basing his opinions solely by what he see's on arrivals boards, or by what he see's in the newspaper.

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