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My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:33 am

Hey all,
I just thought of posting this, considering its happend a few times. I've flown twice over the past two years, once to California and the other to Florida. Both flights have been on Southwest out of MDW. And everytime checking in (we used skycap and normal check in), my fathers name came up in some sort of database. They had to make us wait, and I guess verify it wasn't the particular person in the database. I guess a man shared the same name as my father, and was on a "no-fly" list or something? Anyone know what could have caused that? We haven't flown in over a year, so I don't know if it is still an issue, but it made me rather curious.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:59 am

I think they sometimes expand the list from one name to anyone with that surname. One trip this year I did was from Austin TX to Montreal PQ, Continental from Austin to Houston to La Guardia and Air Canada from La Guardia to Montreal. The leg from Houston to LGA was a shit, they lost my seat assignment and instead of a midship window, I got the very back (non-reclining) row in the aisle. Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting and gives lie to "Yanks don't do irony".

I walked up to Air Canada at LGA and said, "Aha! Back in civilisation!" The guy behind the desk replied, "Are you Mr C. Jet?" Which didn't bode well. I had been flagged on their system as being on the no-fly list and would have to be interviewed by some security guy. I told him I'd submit to a full body cavity search if they could guarantee a window seat, which seemed to amuse him. He took my passport, credit card, ticket printout, LH/*A ff card and everything else and came back about 20 minutes later and said I had been cleared, no interview necessary. Because of the cavity search gag, he was my buddy enough to ask him why he thought I'd been on this list. The agent told me it's cos my surname is the same as a political opponent to Bush, and the guy with whom I share a surname is a permanent fixture of the no fly list (which I think is really true, I'm sure I read it in the NYT) and some days everyone with that surname gets the special treatment, and other days other surnames get it. Not all no flyers are there just cos they're on W's shit list, I hasten to add, most are directly related to alleged terror attacks or threats, and Britney's stalker, apparently.

So no cavity search thank god, and I got the window seat, even though some fucking French Canadian woman had the nerve to ask me if I would sit in her aisle seat so she could sit next to her buddy, my seatmate. I told her to piss off.)
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:59 am

Well, if his name is "Bin Laden"... Wink
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:39 am

I always have problems because my first name is an extremely common girl's name in the US, but I am in fact male (ask the security people in Frankfurt). It is a hassle and annoying at times, especially when the airline changes MR to MS thinking they did me a favor, but I sigh, or make a joke, and life goes on...
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting

He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
The agent told me it's cos my surname is the same as a political opponent to Bush,

You don't really believe that, do you? If it were true, every Democrat in the U.S. would be on a no-fly list.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
I told her to piss off

Nice attitude. I'm sure people just love sitting next to a guy like you on a flight.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
So no cavity search thank god, and I got the window seat, even though some fucking French Canadian woman had the nerve to ask me if I would sit in her aisle seat so she could sit next to her buddy, my seatmate. I told her to piss off.

You sound like the type of passenger who would refuse to move to let a mother sit next to her daughter, or a newlywed couple to sit together. That's sad.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 2):
Well, if his name is "Bin Laden"...

With that last name, they give you private jets in the US

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):
He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

No, actually, it isn't.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Because of the cavity search gag, he was my buddy enough to ask him why he thought I'd been on this list. The agent told me it's cos my surname is the same as a political opponent to Bush, and the guy with whom I share a surname is a permanent fixture of the no fly list (which I think is really true, I'm sure I read it in the NYT) and some days everyone with that surname gets the special treatment, and other days other surnames get it. Not all no flyers are there just cos they're on W's shit list, I hasten to add, most are directly related to alleged terror attacks or threats, and Britney's stalker, apparently.

If you believe that you're name was flagged because some moron said you sahred the same surname as a Bush opponent you need help - and lots of it.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting and gives lie to "Yanks don't do irony".

Curious, how do you know a) he was US military and b) the report was gruesome and c) what the subject of the report happened to be? With your attitude I doubt you'd strike up a conversation with anyone. I further doubt you read the report he was reading, other than perhaps a occasional sneak and peek. I smell bullshit embellishment all over this. Actually, I just smell bullshit.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:43 am

Cedarjet,
This is the first time I have ever posted anything like this, but as far as I can see, your whole response is a well disguised political statement.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
No, actually, it isn't.

Yes, actually, it is.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):

Sounds like they got the guy they were looking for in your case, and you don't want to admit it...

Well, actually, it sounds like your whole story is fabricated.

I mean, CO losing your seat assignment and sitting next to a military guy reading a report on how to commit murder on the same flight? Seems to validate everything you write on these forums very conveniently. And then of course the no fly list thing being because of someone who doesn't like Bush having the same name. They don't tell you why you are on the list like you claim, but it makes a fine story...
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:38 pm

The databases also don't tell the airline personnel what the person on the no-fly-list is on the list for, in any way shape or form. It sounds like the guy at check-in just made it up on the spot...there isn't like a biographical reference for each flag, i mean come on, it doesn't even make basic sense...
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:05 pm

so basically he's just on the 'no-fly' list because of some other fool who screwed up? that sucks for my dad, if hes still on it that is....although there was never any hint towards an interview or even anything intimidating. we actually only thought something of it the second time it happend. they just made us wait for less than five minutes, and told us we we're fine to continue.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:19 pm

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 8):
Cedarjet,
This is the first time I have ever posted anything like this, but as far as I can see, your whole response is a well disguised political statement.

Not that well disguised.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:24 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
So no cavity search thank god, and I got the window seat, even though some fucking French Canadian woman had the nerve to ask me if I would sit in her aisle seat so she could sit next to her buddy, my seatmate. I told her to piss off.)

Cedarjet, you have the honor of being the first person on my RU.

I was on the "shit" list too and it took TSA exactly 1 year and 4 days to reply (I didn't say clear my name) but to reply to my application for clearance for my name and they denied it. Ending result, cost me $30 in postage and notarization fees and TSA has a copy of my driver's license, social security, passport, employment info, etc and what I got was absolutely nothing.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):
He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

Lol, what a silly person you are. How do you know this guy is an insurgent? Well, I don't blame you... If Iraq or any other country was at war with us here on our soil, i'm sure you'd stand up for our country just like all of us. And we'd all be labeled "insurgents" by the Iraqi's and get our heads blown off. I guess blowing the enemy's heads off first before they blow ours seems pretty logical doesn't it?
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:19 pm

And to think, one night/morning, pre-9/11, I wrote a report for school on TWA 800 while flying on a NW red-eye from LAS to MSP. I was the only person awake on the plane, except for the guy next to me asking my about my "Air Disasters" book, with a picture of a crashed aircraft being fished out of the water. Nowadays, well, that wouldn't be very kosher.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:57 pm

Why can't we all just get along and just talk about aviation instead eh?  Smile

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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:04 pm

Haven't been on a.net for a while, but as far as I can see the usual mindless bickering and bitching continues.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
you need help - and lots of it.

Is there any point in making a statement like that and implying somebody needs mental help? That is just being sensationalistic and contributes nothing to the discussion.

Anyway, back to the discussion.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting and gives lie to "Yanks don't do irony".

All of you that have had a go at Cedarjet for saying this have assumed that he had only caught a sneak-peak of this report. You don't know how graphic this report was. It could have been extremely graphic. I can understand that having sensitive material on view in a confined space like that could cause upset. In exactly the same way it would be inappropriate for me to sit there with a porn mag whilst sitting next to an 8 year-old.

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 9):
Yes, actually, it is.

That is very lame.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:49 pm

Cedarjet: 10 Points my friend, for being able to find humor amidst the american security hyperbole.

My name too seems to be on some list. My partner and I took several flights on UA out of NRT in the last couple of years. Without fail, 100% of the time, my boarding pass had those bloody big SSSSs on it. At NRT that usually meant the minor inconvenience of a half hearted hand luggage search at the boarding gate. In HK it meant a somewhat more thorough carry on search. In Singapore it was the Spanish Inquisition. (If the idiot texas cowboy can invoke the Crusades in his "war on terror" I can invoke the Spanish Inquisition in my own senseless rant)  hissyfit 

I'll get flamed with all the usual stuff about a little inconvenience being a small price to pay etc etc (which to be honest is irrefutable) but seriously, have these"random" searches and denying babies and little old women from boarding flights because they have an unfortunate name actually managed to identify anyone who is a genuine threat?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 2):Well, if his name is "Bin Laden"...
With that last name, they give you private jets in the US

Good call!!! Love the wit and insight!!!
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:01 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting

He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

Typical! Well Americans do go for firepower. Whereas Brits tend to go for precision, accuracy and quality planning. Making sure the house is actually occupied by insurgents.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:14 pm

Quoting Joshdean (Reply 18):
Is there any point in making a statement like that and implying somebody needs mental help? That is just being sensationalistic and contributes nothing to the discussion.

Not any more sensationalistic than Cedarjets obviously 'sensationalistic', obviously politically motivated and likely overly exaggerated post to which I replied. I make note he hasn't popped back in here and answered my questions . . . .

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Curious, how do you know a) he was US military and b) the report was gruesome and c) what the subject of the report happened to be?

Next?
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):

I think it would a waste of ammo to go into a house a start killing people.It might be a good idea to shake their hands first,have a chat then decide if you want to kill them all in a gruesome way.Also the problem with killing women and children is that it's bad propaganda so have a chat first.
Redflyer don't join the army you'd waste a lot of ammo and kill a lot of innocent people.

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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:50 pm

Quoting Raventom (Reply 20):
Typical! Well Americans do go for firepower. Whereas Brits tend to go for precision, accuracy and quality planning. Making sure the house is actually occupied by insurgents.

Yes, and you also persist on driving on the left. Your point about civil aviation is...?

Gentlemen, this thread is not about civil aviation anymore, and the cheap shots being taken at various nationalities is insulting to everyone. May I recommend we shut this down?

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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 5):
You sound like the type of passenger who would refuse to move to let a mother sit next to her daughter, or a newlywed couple to sit together. That's sad.

Agreed. It is sad. I have given up my window seat for many times for people to sit together and you say go p--- off. Thats too sad my friend.

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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:07 pm

I have a work colleague who has the same 'name' issue. I can check him and I in online when flying from the UK to the USA but I cannot check him in online when flying USA to the UK although I can check myself in on line in the USA.

The site says to check him in at the airport desk. I asked the staff in the USA why there was this issue and they said he has the same name as somebody else on a list that means they have to check in at the desk - I guess this is a USA derived list as it only happens when trying to check in online in the USA. Checking in online is SOOO much easier than queuing up even more so these heightened security days. My colleagues name 'problem' is a pain but not the end of the world... B.T.W this was with British Airways but I would think this would apply to airline flying USA-UK.

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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:29 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Not any more sensationalistic than Cedarjets obviously 'sensationalistic', obviously politically motivated and likely overly exaggerated post to which I replied.

I don't need to exaggerate or be "sensationalistic" (made-up word there ANC) on the internet to impress people I've never met. I couldn't care less if you or any other American thinks I'm exaggerating, I added my experience to the thread to shed some light on the original post, because I thought my experience and what the Air Canada agent told was relevent. Nothing more to it than that, least of all some imagined "political motivation".

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
I make note he hasn't popped back in here and answered my questions...

Do you honestly think your opinion means anything at all to me?!  Yeah sure
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):

 Smile

Held at IST for 5 hours because the first three letters of my surname on my UK passport were the same as female travelling on Australian passport (I'm male)- duh! These guys were not ones to try and be cute with. Best of all they did the same to me when leaving which earned me a very delayed trip home (like 24 hours late)
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting Parabolica (Reply 23):

Looks like you joined in yourself with the cheap shots.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting Moek2000 (Reply 15):
Lol, what a silly person you are. How do you know this guy is an insurgent? Well, I don't blame you... If Iraq or any other country was at war with us here on our soil, i'm sure you'd stand up for our country just like all of us. And we'd all be labeled "insurgents" by the Iraqi's and get our heads blown off. I guess blowing the enemy's heads off first before they blow ours seems pretty logical doesn't it?

All I did was comment on the guy being in the military and having to know how to do certain aspects of his job. His job as a serviceman is first and foremost combat with an enemy. 80% of his training involves how to eliminate an enemy. The original poster said he was reading a report on how to go into a house and clear it. Whether you want to admit it or not, every military organization in the world trains its solders on the different techniques of urban warfare, including the military organizations of our European pacifist members on this board.

Quoting Joshdean (Reply 18):
That is very lame.

I'd say yours is even more lame since you didn't bother to explain why...a hit-and-run. Pretty childish if you ask me.

Quoting Raventom (Reply 20):
Whereas Brits tend to go for precision, accuracy and quality planning.

There's a lot of truth to that statement. I had the opportunity to spend a few weeks on a training exercise with a contingent of Brits about 25 years ago. They were almost fanatical -- actually, they were fanatical -- about precision, accuracy and planning.

Quoting Justplanecrazy (Reply 22):
Redflyer don't join the army you'd waste a lot of ammo and kill a lot of innocent people.

I would never join the Army. But I did have the pleasure and honor of serving in the U.S. Marines. And trust me: I never capped a civilian nor would I have. Don't believe everything you read, including the B.S. on these boards.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:41 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
The agent told me it's cos my surname is the same as a political opponent to Bush, and the guy with whom I share a surname is a permanent fixture of the no fly list (which I think is really true, I'm sure I read it in the NYT) and some days everyone with that surname gets the special treatment, and other days other surnames get it. Not all no flyers are there just cos they're on W's shit list

Sorry, but that is just not even remotely believable, unless someone picked up on your attitude and was having some twisted fun.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 26):
"sensationalistic" (made-up word there ANC)

Every word is made up by someone, but that IS a real word. It is even in the A.net spellcheck database!
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:29 am

I think Cedarjet's post, if anything, is wrapped up in nothing less than good ol' British wit. Whether the whole Bush thing was serious or not, it's still overall amusing, and let's leave it at that, okay?

Some of you all take the writings of others (and, as a result, yourselves) a tad bit too seriously.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
my surname is the same as a political opponent to Bush

I didn't know that being a political opponent would cause you to be on a no-fly list. That sounds like Cuba or China, not the USA...

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
had the nerve to ask me if I would sit in her aisle seat so she could sit next to her buddy, my seatmate. I told her to piss off.)

geez, what kind of flyer are you?

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
fucking French Canadian

geez, what kind of person are you? Be warned I have been very close to hit the suggest deletion button...

Quoting Moek2000 (Reply 14):
Cedarjet, you have the honor of being the first person on my RU.

I consequently also wonder what kind of flyer you are...
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:10 am

I have had a similar experience, though not with the TSA's list. My sister has the same (or similar) name to someone whom UA will not allow on their flights (air rage incident, perhaps?) Now we have to be very sure to book tickets using either her nickname or her middle name.

And Cedarjet... love the British irony, but lay off the Quebecois! Though I too would probably have declined to trade seats. Unless I was trading for another window seat.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting JBo (Reply 31):
Some of you all take the writings of others (and, as a result, yourselves) a tad bit too seriously.

Ha, no kidding. It is really incredible how many people on this thread read a story secondhand and see one little comment, then automatically make assumptions about what happened.

You argue with each other, but do you really know that:
1.) the guy really was American?
2.) he really was in the military but wearing plainclothes?
3.) it really was a military report?
4.) it really was a report describing how to kill innocent Iraqis?

Is anyone convinced 100% that those are all true? If so, send me your phone number, i've got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 32):
I'd say yours is even more lame since you didn't bother to explain why...a hit-and-run. Pretty childish if you ask me.

Well it kind of speaks for itself. It means I consider your view to be lame, i.e. wrong and without reason.

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):
He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

I think it is lame because you are being narrow-minded and ignorant. You are suggesting there is only one possible solution, and that is to blow people up.

Whilst we're on the subject of 'not bothering to explain' things, and 'hit-and-runs', why didn't you elaborate on this?:

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 8):
Yes, actually, it is.

Especially considering your response was to someone who had written 'No, actually, it isn't'. Would you not think that if you were to respond to that you would elaborate a little. Pretty childish if you ask me.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Joshdean (Reply 35):
You are suggesting there is only one possible solution, and that is to blow people up.

Really? Where did I say that? All I said is he's in the military and part of his training is urban warfare. Just like he's trained to shoot a gun with accuracy, as well as maintain his physical fitness (among many other things), he's also required to train and learn about different warfare environments. So he's on a long flight and decides to read up on urban warfare techniques.

Oh, but of course! That means he's the American tyrant that does nothing but blow up houses at random and shoots civilians on sight! Yes, I was totally wrong about you. I thought you were ignorant. Now I know you're just...oh, well. No need in elaborating further.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:57 am

This is a completely inappropriate forum for this type of discussion. Please take your political bickering elsewhere, and let us talk about aviation.

Suggest deletion or move to a non-aviation forum.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:48 am

Cedarjet,

After reading all the posts and biting my lip to refrain from getting into the political hassle, I must say that you're a bit over the top, like for instance:

1) Reading material is private and privileged over someones so-called shoulder, unless you engaged in conversation with the so-called serviceman in civvies. If you did not, short hair cuts are in style now.

2) Denying two people to sit together in a three-seat configuration. You could have asked for the window or the isle seat.

3) The only name I can think of that's beefed about the no-fly list is Ted Kennedy, and not because he is on Bush's shit list.

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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting NML1011 (Thread starter):
guess a man shared the same name as my father, and was on a "no-fly" list or something?

Most likely that is exactly what is going on. Happens every day. Generally a human agent has to take the extra step of entering your government issued id number where it is compared to a database maintained by the airline. If it's a different number, the boarding pass is issued. This usually takes about 15 seconds to accomplish. Very easy.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 39):
1) Reading material is private and privileged over someones so-called shoulder, unless you engaged in conversation with the so-called serviceman in civvies. If you did not, short hair cuts are in style now.

It was hard to avoid. I don't mind people reading over my shoulder, in fact when someone is doing it to me, I will tilt what I'm reading towards them; but I know other people hate it, so I don't ever do it. In this case, I wasn't snooping, it was a big folder and impossible not to see. I was surprised the guy wasn't more discreet.

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 39):
2) Denying two people to sit together in a three-seat configuration. You could have asked for the window or the isle seat.

I can't believe all you guys getting your knickers in a twist cos in my witty footnote, I wouldn't give up my window seat to some woman in an appalling yellow and purple and gold pants suit. Over-emotional rants about newlyweds etc etc? Are you guys for real? Maybe newlyweds would make me move but other than that, I ain't moving, nor should you. Look, I get on the computer in the middle of the night when online checkin opens, or at the airport at a sensible time, or switched on enough to pre-assign a seat when booking. Do you think I'm going to do all that stuff just so someone who didn't checkin online or get to the airport at a sensible time or assign a seat when they booked can get my bloody seat? Hahaha. I always endeavour to be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem, but seriously - enjoy 67H, 22A was mine months ago and it ain't changing hands now.

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 39):
3) The only name I can think of that's beefed about the no-fly list is Ted Kennedy, and not because he is on Bush's shit list.

Right. The Air Canada agent said they had problems with Kennedys all the time, and half of Canada is Scottish, right?
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:23 am

For fuck's sake people, what is this the non-aviation forum?

Let's all just settle down and take a deep breath before this gets anymore ridiculous:

CedarJet: I found your first post humorous and sensed that you were just putting your own irony/humor into the situation. I have no reason to doubt what the agent said to you about the opponent of GWB, and you were not compelled to say anything more about it, and you didn't. Whether or not you actually told the lady who asked to switch seats with you to piss off is not known to me, although i would say it is best to be a bit more polite in that situation, if you did tell the women to in fact, "piss off."

Redflyer: you attacked him right away based on some assumption you had about him being antagonistic or argumentative about US military troops. He said nothing negative about military troops, just that he got an odd/negative feeling about sitting next to a soldier reading a document about how to enter someones house and kill them. I think many of us would feel the same way, not necessarily against any particular person or entity, just that, well, most of us don't enjoy the thought of anyone getting killed, or anyone being the killer.

ANCFlyer: He never said originally (nor has he said since) that he 100% believed the story about the guy with his surname that was on the no-fly list because he was an opponent of Mr. Bush. He simply recounted his tale of the ticket counter in a very matter of fact tone with a bit of subtle irony --a trademark of an intelligent British person.

He has still made no effort to go political at all in this thread, and all of you trying to turn this into some ridiculous ideological debate is, well, ridiculous!

let's have some sense and not let this fairly civil civil aviation board turn into the free-for-all non-av board.

whew.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 41):

Thank you dude.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 41):
Whether or not you actually told the lady who asked to switch seats with you to piss off is not known to me, although i would say it is best to be a bit more polite in that situation, if you did tell the women to in fact, "piss off."

And as you suggest, of course I am after all a gentleman so I didn't actually say "piss off". What I said was, "Non. Je suis desole, mais je veux regarder hors de la fenetre. Merci." But really, piss off.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:02 am

Joshdean,

Somehow you put my username on someone else's quote. I did not post what you refer to in post #35.

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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 42):
"Non. Je suis desole, mais je veux regarder hors de la fenetre. Merci."

English Translation:

No. I am sorry, but I would like to look out the window. Thank you.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):


"Yanks don't do irony".

"Aha! Back in civilisation!"

some fucking French Canadian woman had the nerve to ask me if I would sit in her aisle seat so she could sit next to her buddy, my seatmate. I told her to piss off.)


Ah yes. Well you obviously do irony very well. Very civilized of you!
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:32 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 41):
ANCFlyer: He never said originally (nor has he said since) that he 100% believed the story about the guy with his surname that was on the no-fly list because he was an opponent of Mr. Bush. He simply recounted his tale of the ticket counter in a very matter of fact tone with a bit of subtle irony --a trademark of an intelligent British person.

One only has to go beyond this thread Planespotting, and read some of Cedarjets drivel elsewhere to understand the purpose and meanding of his post. Perhaps you should avail yourself of the opportunity to do so before firing salvos haphazardly.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 26):
(made-up word there ANC)

Not hardly . . . here, educate yourself:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sensationalistic

sensationalistic

adj : typical of tabloids; "sensational journalistic reportage of the scandal"; "yellow journalism" [syn: scandalmongering, yellow(a)]

WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 26):
Do you honestly think your opinion means anything at all to me?!  sarcastic 

Nope . . . aint that special  sarcastic 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:55 am

wow. sorry for the ruckus i've started...haha. never thought this would be the main focus of the thread.
 
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
Perhaps you should avail yourself of the opportunity to do so before firing salvos haphazardly.

Come on buddy, I wasn't firing any salvo's haphazardly, I was simply referring to the context within this thread, and explaining what I thought was the correct interpretation for what cedarjet had to say.
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RE: My Father's Name Causes Issue

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 48):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 46):
Perhaps you should avail yourself of the opportunity to do so before firing salvos haphazardly.

Come on buddy, I wasn't firing any salvo's haphazardly, I was simply referring to the context within this thread, and explaining what I thought was the correct interpretation for what cedarjet had to say.

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