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Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:47 pm

I've been traveling the past few weeks, but is this talk new about purported additional delays?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9067-2328109,00.html

Doesn't say how much of a delay but the fact that it supposedly is being made by employees is troublesome.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:51 pm

whatever, nothing significant here. Just spin, that's it.

and Im a big Boeing fan.


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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Thread starter):
Doesn't say how much of a delay but the fact that it supposedly is being made by employees is troublesome.

Given the executive leadership crises in Toulouse that emerged last spring, it wouldn't surprise me to say the least. But then again there is always going to be a group(s) of disgruntled employees ANYWHERE or project managers not happy with the personnel above them making the critical decisions.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:57 pm

Airbus has said that new delays are still possible on the A380 pending the outcome of an external audit. So this would not be a surprise, and I suspect that the head os EADS did say this to prepare the market and the customers for follow on delays.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
whatever, nothing significant here. Just spin, that's it.

Well, I wonder if our Airbus pom-pom team will think of it as spin, especially since the news report emanates from a French daily rather than the one in Seattle.

But I will admit, there's not much detail to the article which does leave some doubt. On the other hand, it doesn't look good when it's employees of Airbus who are apparently stepping up to make the claims.

Here's another article, just as devoid of details, from a financial report:

http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=35847944581316
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Thread starter):
Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

 Sad

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:01 pm

The Times seems to have a quite heavy anti-bus bias at the moment (which is strange) I wouldn't take this too seriously at the moment - does anyone know if they've started shipping components again to TLS which will show whether production issues have been ironed out?
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 6):
The Times seems to have a quite heavy anti-bus bias at the moment

The Times is merely repeating a story originally reported in a French publication, "Les Echos."
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:43 pm

And the original publication said the following - I have it right here in front of me and the translations are my own.

Quoting Julien Talavan, head of the FO labor union at Airbus France:
"There are several rumors making the rounds here, some say we will be on-time and others say there are more delays. It is difficult to say"

Bernard Cazes - Employee Representative from the CGT union commenting on the delays talked about the fact that they have not restarted the final assembly line as planned on August 16th "But even last week it hasn't started back up again."

They also mention that the A380 convoy in August has been cancelled.

Keesje, you can dismiss what the Boeing fans post here, but you can't ignore these comments from real Airbus employees in one of the most respected French newspapers.

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 6):
The Times seems to have a quite heavy anti-bus bias at the moment

The Times is merely repeating a story originally reported in a French publication, "Les Echos."

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9067-2328118.html

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13130-2325970.html

http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,10295-2324601.html
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 8):
They also mention that the A380 convoy in August has been cancelled.

Wouldn't this fact alone be the biggest harbinger of additional delays?

I recall last spring a poster suggested delays in the program because some convoys were cancelled. He was severely spanked on this board by the Noble Protectors of All Things Airbus for making such a heretical comment, but was eventually vindicated.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 8):
Keesje, you can dismiss what the Boeing fans post here, but you can't ignore these comments from real Airbus employees in one of the most respected French newspapers.

It is not so hard to actively create a curtain general feeling / believe around some companies, persons, people, culture or whatever by consistently picking out / repeating rumors, quotes etc that cummulatively lead to a conclusion.

I think it has nothing to do with telling the truth or practising good journalism.

If you like we can start one for Boeing by grabbing BS from the net and repeat it endlessly in different forms:

Boeing denies 787 delivery delays again..
http://english.people.com.cn/200606/21/eng20060621_275945.html

Boeing to nose dive as a result of 787 delays?
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...eingSharesCouldFallFromTheSky.aspx

Have Boeing scandals come to an end yet?
http://www.king5.com/business/storie...eing_mcnerneyapologyJM.d0221b.html

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 11):
If you like we can start one for Boeing by grabbing BS from the net and repeat it endlessly in different forms:

Boeing denies 787 delivery delays again..
http://english.people.com.cn/200606/21/eng20060621_275945.html

Boeing to nose dive as a result of 787 delays?
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...eingSharesCouldFallFromTheSky.aspx

Have Boeing scandals come to an end yet?
http://www.king5.com/business/storie...eing_mcnerneyapologyJM.d0221b.html

Must I go on? Perhaps better not.

Keesje: You must be under the impression that one shouldn't talk about rumors, be they Boeing or Airbus. I think we should talk about all of them and, personally, I think there's a lot of validity to the rumors circulating about regarding the purported delays on the 787.

By all means, go on!

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:25 am

News papers and every other source of media pick and choose what stories they want to cover/publish. Im sure there are stories about the A380's successes during its ongoing fligths testing phase, but if a media sources, be it American or european, wants to paint a picture that is to their liking they can.

Lets not talk about the B787 here, it still in its very very early stages of initial production, any talk about delivery delays is strictly anecdotal and hypothetical.

KrisYYZ

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 10):
Quoting N1786b (Reply 8):
They also mention that the A380 convoy in August has been cancelled.

Wouldn't this fact alone be the biggest harbinger of additional delays?

I recall last spring a poster suggested delays in the program because some convoys were cancelled. He was severely spanked on this board by the Noble Protectors of All Things Airbus for making such a heretical comment, but was eventually vindicated.

see: A380 Production Problems? (by WingedMigrator May 21 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2783103
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:30 am

Its much easier to make up time with years to go untill production, than in production.

Boeing could still pull things even.

Then again they could fall farther behind. We are still not seeing testing being done at some facilites making the major CFRP Body parts. While others are far into production. I would think that they would need to be on similar schedules.... But they can push to trim delivery times.

But if airbus is having problems no day can be made up. In the factory they are in production runs. So a slowdown is lost dollars, black eyes.
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 15):
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 10):
Quoting N1786b (Reply 8):
They also mention that the A380 convoy in August has been cancelled.

Wouldn't this fact alone be the biggest harbinger of additional delays?

I recall last spring a poster suggested delays in the program because some convoys were cancelled. He was severely spanked on this board by the Noble Protectors of All Things Airbus for making such a heretical comment, but was eventually vindicated.


see: A380 Production Problems? (by WingedMigrator May 21 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2783103

Looking at the website from the original post the August convoy was supposed to be 7th to the 10th so it must of been cancelled a while back - there's one scheduled for sometime in September. Speaking to my contact with some access to Broughton - there's loads of A380 wingsets ready to go anyone know how long the boat journey for the wingsets is - we should be able to tell if there's a further issue if the boat leaves on time.
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:43 am

Well, you can go on thinking what you will, but you are going to need some better examples. I do not see a direct quote from a Boeing employee (by NAME) that says something against the company's publically announced position.

It isn't BS from the net, you have employees saying things are not going according to schedule. The French press reported rumors quoting French employees of Airbus France BY NAME calling into question the official delivery schedule. Even the new boss of Airbus hasn't ruled out additional delays. You have to admit (but you won't) that Airbus' credibility has taken a might big hit over the A380 delivery mess. And the reporter is saying that there are signs that it isn't over yet.

The article says:

- August 16th target date to reopen the assembly line missed
- August A380 convoy cancelled
- Rumors circulating among employees that there may be additional delays

Anyhow, what is your spin on that? "Everything is hunky dory and Les Echos needs to send their reporters back to journalism school"?

I hope that the new management team at Airbus will be straightforward, humble (their words, not mine), and objective when they finish their audit.

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:05 am

It's not impossible for any high tech project to have problems - just look at Microsoft and their Longhorn/Vista project.

I personally believe that Boeing is in the better position today (and maybe only today) as they are still in the development phase that has time built in for addressing problems like weight or software integration. Airbus is far closer to needing to deliver and is still facing challenges. It is far from unlikely that there will be addition delays, even if for a month or two, if Airbus is not happy with the plane as is. They face a far greater challenge delivering a product with bugs than Microsoft does!

Like all major aircraft programs, the dust will eventually settle and both the 380 and 787 can be judged on how they actually perform in day to day operations. That's a few years down the line, even for the 380.
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:10 am

Don't forget that this is August, most people in France are on vacation/holiday for the month, so it might not be improbable that adjustments in manufacturing dates may be delayed until enough workers return from vacation. In the meantime the media is bored and August it usally a show news time so these are probably rumors to keep people reading their newspapers and keep the Boeing fans in a tizzy....  duck 
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 18):
I hope that the new management team at Airbus will be straightforward, humble (their words, not mine), and objective when they finish their audit.

In the now infamous "leaked" May 12th Audit Committee Minutes, when attempting to assess the likelihood of additional delays, Dr. Humbert indicated that the results from the early long flights (ELF) test programme were critical, because it was the only reliable means of evaluating how well efforts to address the wiring harness/cabin integration "problems" had succeeded. IIRC, this testing is now scheduled to commence September 4th. Stay tuned.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:07 am

If there are more delays coming, it would behove the new management to get the bad news out now and place the blame on the old management, which is where it belongs.

If they wait too long, they take ownership of the problem, and hurt their credibility to boot.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 12):
Keesje: You must be under the impression that one shouldn't talk about rumors, be they Boeing or Airbus. I think we should talk about all of them and, personally, I think there's a lot of validity to the rumors circulating about regarding the purported delays on the 787.

Don't worry. Keesje doesn't understand the concept of credibility.

He doesn't understand why people doubt Airbus after the A380 and A340NG debut months if not years late. He doesn't understand why Airbus is doubted after technical problems plauged the A380 and A340NG. He doesn't understand why Airbus performance claims are doubted after Airbus clearly misses program goals.

I too would doubt Boeing if the 787 was months behind schedule. But for the time being, all indications are the 787-8 is on schedule. That can change in two years, and I don't think it's unreasonable to anticipate delay. In many regards, the 787 is moving along very smoothly with an order backlog growing steadily by the week.

To immediatly point at the 787 once it's suggested that the twice delayed A380 may possibly face another setback is immature at best.
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:30 am

Today's news :

-Boeing to lose fees for GPS overruns, delays, Air Force says
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ogy/2003223207_webboeinggps24.html

-US stocks: Boeing issues lacklustre forecast
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3&ObjectID=10393284

-Airlines express disappointment over Connexion shutdown, Lufthansa ...
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...Lufthansa+seeks+post-December.html

-Embraer blames build quality and delivery issues for Kawasaki Heavy Industries E-190 production contract revision - KHI is predominately a Boeing supplier and manufactures fuselage sections for the 777 and the 787.
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...y+Industries+E-190+production.html

...

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 25):
2) Boeing has gained the trust of airlines and the reputation of delivering what it promised to them, very much unlike Airbus

They had a performance issue with some versions of the A340 and a delivery issue with the A380.

Don't tell me Boeing never had some performance issues on some versions of their airplanes nor they were always on schedule when developing new programs.

Wonder how Airbus got 50% market share.

Or maybe that's just about Airbus being on the "evil" side...
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
They face a far greater challenge delivering a product with bugs than Microsoft does!

This is quite true from my experience (commercial software development). It is the rule that software is shipped with numerous known bugs - these numbers of known bugs can run from the hundreds to well into the tens of thousands (yes, this is true). However, the software company evaluates each bug and determines its relative significance (i.e. is it worthwhile delaying the release of a product to fix the bug(s)?). If the shipped software contains problems that are later determined by end users to be real show stoppers, the software can be patched, and service packs can be shipped.

Pretty hard/expensive to 'service pack' an aircraft...
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting Aither (Reply 24):
-Embraer blames build quality and delivery issues for Kawasaki Heavy Industries E-190 production contract revision - KHI is predominately a Boeing supplier and manufactures fuselage sections for the 777 and the 787.

Boy, that's a stretch. Talk about imature...

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 25):
How can we trust Boeing ?

Apparently the airlines which placed 420 orders and commitments for the 787, of which 377 are firm orders, trust Boeing.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 31):
Apparently the airlines which placed 420 orders and commitments for the 787, of which 377 are firm orders, trust Boeing.

That's very good but not so impressive :

- Considering the small widebody market size considerably larger than 20 or 10 years ago.

- Considering that compared to the total Boeing airplane forecast for that category, it is actually selling less than the A380.

[Edited 2006-08-25 20:03:32]
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Aither (Reply 32):
Considering that compared to the total Boeing airplane forecast for that category, it is actually selling less than the A380.

Well Boeing's projected market for the VLA (to say nothing of the A380 within that market) is much smaller than that for small widebodies and the 787 within that market, so it seems reasonable that the 787's percentage is currently smaller.  Wink

And said markets are 20 year projections, so the 787 has plenty of time to sell more in her market. Just as the A380 does in her market.  thumbsup 

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Aither (Reply 26):
Wonder how Airbus got 50% market share.

They don't have 50% of the widebody market.

Quoting Aither (Reply 32):
That's very good but not so impressive

And where does this leave Airbus?

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:33 am

There's a mistake in the article: EA is not only owned by GE and P&W, but also by MTU. Maybe there are other partners as well.

The fact that this is only a rumor, which is denied by other Airbus employees, makes me very sceptical about the truth.

We also know that the general media has no clue about aviation. The aerospace press does not report this (yet).
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting Aither (Reply 32):
That's very good but not so impressive :

- Considering the small widebody market size considerably larger than 20 or 10 years ago.

- Considering that compared to the total Boeing airplane forecast for that category, it is actually selling less than the A380.

Considering that Airbus has not been able to design a successful airframe since the A320, I'd wager sales are an added perk these days.  Sad
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 37):
Considering that Airbus has not been able to design a successful airframe since the A320, I'd wager sales are an added perk these days.

I'll take issue with that. In what regard was the A330 not successful?

Quoting Aither (Reply 26):
Don't tell me Boeing never had some performance issues on some versions of their airplanes nor they were always on schedule when developing new programs.

But not to the extent recently displayed by Airbus.

Boeing didn't leave customers waiting more than a year when production ramp-up issues disrupted 737NG deliveries in the late-90s. Boeing didn't have to pay compensation when GE certified the Ge90 late. Boeing didn't have to "take back" 764ER because they were too heavy.

Then of course, there is always the jewel that because the 747-100 was a few months late in 1970, a 12-month A388 delay is acceptable in 2006. Like it was acceptable back then, and we don't have tools and experience decades beyond the 70s?
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 8):
They also mention that the A380 convoy in August has been cancelled.

See www.igg.fr for latest status. The August convoy that was cancelled was a partial convoy, with just an aft fuselage section.

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 10):
I recall last spring a poster suggested delays in the program because some convoys were cancelled. He was severely spanked on this board by the Noble Protectors of All Things Airbus for making such a heretical comment, but was eventually vindicated.

I don't recall getting "severely spanked" by anyone, but we all learned from that experience that the convoy website is the most direct way to get a direct measurement of the A380 production rate. Keep an eye on it!  Wink
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
Don't forget that this is August, most people in France are on vacation/holiday for the month, so it might not be improbable that adjustments in manufacturing dates may be delayed until enough workers return from vacation.

Didn't FI say that they were sending up to 1000 Airbus Deutschland employees and that the A380 teams would work through the month of August?

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
In the meantime the media is bored and August it usally a show news time so these are probably rumors to keep people reading their newspapers

That's for sure - Sky News regurgitated the 737 defective parts/whistleblower story just last week....

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
and keep the Boeing fans in a tizzy....

or to flex Airbus cheerleader muscles?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 28):
Those two people named are union members and perhaps may not have accurate information on exactly how A380 production is progressing?

They may not know the technical details of what is going on - but I bet you they do know in general what is happening on the shop floor.

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:44 am

Its always disheartening to me that any thread that has any news regarding A or B always degenerates into the A vs B flame war. Everyone here who seems to have to dig up anti-Boeing statements is just a sign of their total disregard for the the thread topic. And that goes just as well for the anti-A bashers who seem to have to respond. It makes these threads unreadable and of no import. You guys, both anti-A and anti-B have demonstrated to me both a lack of objectivity and a disrespect for those of us who want to read informed views that expand and explain the thread topic. There are those of us who have valid thoughts and information on the topics and deserve to be read by enthusiasts. You pundits who continually insist of this bashing and continue this infantile "oh yeah..." style of posting really irritate me, if that doesn't already show. And just for the record, Boeing doesn't need any help or support in this arena. Our work and products speak for themselves. As does Airbus. Two proud, successful companies producing the finest commercial airplanes that have ever flown will not even be phased by such inane rhetoric that continues to drivel thru this site.
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 39):
See www.igg.fr for latest status. The August convoy that was cancelled was a partial convoy, with just an aft fuselage section.

Does this come in English. I think I have to register to see what's going on?
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 40):
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
Don't forget that this is August, most people in France are on vacation/holiday for the month, so it might not be improbable that adjustments in manufacturing dates may be delayed until enough workers return from vacation.

Didn't FI say that they were sending up to 1000 Airbus Deutschland employees and that the A380 teams would work through the month of August?

Airbus adds 1,200 staff to A380 assembly line

...Technicians are working flat out through France's traditional August break on the already assembled A380s in Toulouse to rectify wiring problems that caused the delay and undertake out-of-sequence work...

...Most of the extra workers are seconded from other factories within the company that are responsible for subassembly production. "A number are from the German plants, who would normally be involved in installing the wiring harnesses into the fuselage sections," says Airbus...


Also noteworthy in the 9 August FI article was this item:

...Structural assembly of additional A380s at the Toulouse plant has been suspended in recent months in order that the completed aircraft can undergo rewiring and modification work. But Airbus is now undertaking assembly of the sixteenth A380 (including the two ground-test airframes) as it begins to reactivate series production. This will enable the transfer of components from the subassembly plants to Toulouse to restart and aircraft output to be ramped up...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ulouse+A380+workforce+boosted.html

According to the source quoted in the Les Echos article, final assembly has not resumed.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:16 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 39):
Does this come in English. I think I have to register to see what's going on?

Non... but no surprise here, since this site is for the folks living near the convoy route, who need to find out about local road closures. You can register to receive e-mail notices of convoy dates or cancellations.

I'll be happy to translate.
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 37):
They may not know the technical details of what is going on - but I bet you they do know in general what is happening on the shop floor.

Of that I do not doubt, but they probably lack context. They know what they see on the shop floor, but they may not know why they're seeing it.

For example, we know a partial A380 convoy did not deploy as scheduled. Why? We don't know. Yet some might argue that because it was not deployed on schedule, the plane it was meant for will not be completed on schedule. Yet, perhaps this piece was ready early, and Airbus thought to see if they could get it up to TLS ahead of schedule so they wouldn't have to worry about it later, for example.

There may be slowdowns on the shop floor at TLS for a number of reasons. That there are problems is a possible one, but I'm just commenting that it might not be prudent to automatically considered the probable one, even if the program has had it's issues...
 
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 36):
I don't recall getting "severely spanked" by anyone,

Yes, you're right. Thanks to Leelaw, I went back to that thread and read some of the replies. You didn't get a "spanking", but there's no denying that there was plenty of denying...


No. Production has NOT been put on hold for three months. Production is on schedule for the publicised delivery dates (which as I understand it reflects the 6 mo delay).

Honestly people, where do you get this stuff?


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The sensation mongering here is truly amazing. I'd better wait for more reliable pieces of information before I jump to fast, self-constructed conclusions.

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Since Airbus operates a 'just in time' production method, you can bet they dont have a lot of space to store 6 months of production output, other than in completed planes sitting on tarmac somewhere in Toulouse (which is whats happening currently, there are several A380s sat out there according to several photos)
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 43):
Yes, you're right. Thanks to Leelaw, I went back to that thread and read some of the replies.

Which was that thread?
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 44):
Which was that thread?

A380 Production Problems? (by WingedMigrator May 21 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 41):
I'll be happy to translate.

Thanks, I still remember some of my high school French.

Did you first find out about the delays in April or March? I think you posted something about that? Do you remember which thread. It'll be interesting to see why some people doubted you when in fact you had it spot on.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:09 am

It was a great day for the A380 project.


A380 this morning after first succesfull General Electric / Pratt & Whitney powered flight

I expect two more airlines to order the aircraft in the next few months and probably some follow on orders. These endless somethinghastobewrongwithairbus posts will gaining dust in forgotten a.net archives.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 47):
It was a great day for the A380 project.

It's a shame that the worldwide media conspiracy against the A380/A350/Airbus orchestrated by one R. Baseler, didn't have the good taste to remain silent on such a momentous day.  Wink
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 47):
These endless somethinghastobewrongwithairbus posts will gaining dust in forgotten a.net archives.

Even the Pickle threads Keesje ?

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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:12 am

Is there a list of the revised dates for all the current (15?) WhaleJets to start flying ? Any guess for a date when the first 20 will all be in revenue service?
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 43):
Yes, you're right. Thanks to Leelaw, I went back to that thread and read some of the replies. You didn't get a "spanking", but there's no denying that there was plenty of denying...


No. Production has NOT been put on hold for three months. Production is on schedule for the publicised delivery dates (which as I understand it reflects the 6 mo delay).

Honestly people, where do you get this stuff?

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The sensation mongering here is truly amazing. I'd better wait for more reliable pieces of information before I jump to fast, self-constructed conclusions.

*************

Since Airbus operates a 'just in time' production method, you can bet they dont have a lot of space to store 6 months of production output, other than in completed planes sitting on tarmac somewhere in Toulouse (which is whats happening currently, there are several A380s sat out there according to several photos)

You were polite enough not to name names.
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RE: Rumor Of New A380 Delays?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:42 pm

Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 47):
Is there a list of the revised dates for all the current (15?) WhaleJets to start flying ?

No, but on 19 June, Flight International attempted a full breakdown of A380 aircraft currently in production at the time final assembly was suspended, see:

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ar+end+to+fulfil+SIA+delivery.html

Since then, two additional aircraft, MSN 005 (19 July) & MSN 009 (25 August), have made their maiden flights.


Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 47):
Any guess for a date when the first 20 will all be in revenue service?

Barring further delays, not until sometime in 2008, as Airbus will have delivered a total of only 10 A380s through the end of 2007. With the exception of Concorde, the A380 program will easily lay claim to the most prosaic industrial ramp-up in the annals of "Western" commercial aviation.


Quoting Nitrohelper (Reply 47):
How many will be built per year after the smoking wires are fixed?

Assembly line capacity of 48 units per year will not be achieved until 2010.
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