TransWorldSTL
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Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:18 am

Hey everyone..

I'm getting ready to enter college, and hopefully go on to become an Air Traffic Controller, but I was hoping to have some things to fall back on, one of which being Pilot..
Looking through requirements for different regional/major airlines, it seems they prefer/require graduation from a 2/4 year college.. Does this mean they want you to recieve your pilots license from taking the courses, or just have an aviation related degree, or any degree? I wanted to start flight school on my own soon, but if I absolutely need to, I'll wait and do it through college...

Also, does having a GED basically eliminate me from the runnings of regional/major airline employment, even though I'm going to be getting a Bachelors degree from a major university?

Thanks everyone!  Smile
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:41 am

A aviation degree helps. But they really just want some type of degree. Well, maybe not art or stuff like that. They really want you to have some type of degree to show that you can be taught. Also the most important thing is flight hours and multi time.

Good luck!
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:44 am

That's a lot of time and money to invest to be used as a "backup"....
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Thread starter):
but I was hoping to have some things to fall back on, one of which being Pilot..

haha...falling back on being an airline pilot? That's crazy dude. Why would your fall-back be something so unstable and inherently risky as a career in one of the worst industries in terms of employee satisfaction and job-stablity?

Fall-backs should be something that you know is going to be there and that you can do when you get out of college, like a family business or some kind of college job you had that you could continue doing full-time afterwards.

If you really wanna be an airline pilot, that's fine, and good for you. There's nothing too crazy about wanting to do that firstly and having something else to fall-back on...but having the airline pilot job as your fall-back is like me saying my fall-back job is going to be a Nascar Driver or an NBA Star...

You have a much better chance of getting an airline pilot job using all your energy and resources to do so...no one anymore can get an airline job just falling into it...it takes a lot of time and planning (and money) to become an airline pilot these days, and it is not a career one just ends up in without realizing it.
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 4):
haha...falling back on being an airline pilot? That's crazy dude. Why would your fall-back be something so unstable and inherently risky as a career in one of the worst industries in terms of employee satisfaction and job-stablity?

Fall-backs should be something that you know is going to be there and that you can do when you get out of college, like a family business or some kind of college job you had that you could continue doing full-time afterwards.

If you really wanna be an airline pilot, that's fine, and good for you. There's nothing too crazy about wanting to do that firstly and having something else to fall-back on...but having the airline pilot job as your fall-back is like me saying my fall-back job is going to be a Nascar Driver or an NBA Star...

You have a much better chance of getting an airline pilot job using all your energy and resources to do so...no one anymore can get an airline job just falling into it...it takes a lot of time and planning (and money) to become an airline pilot these days, and it is not a career one just ends up in without realizing it.

Beat me to it... exactly what I was going to say.
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Thread starter):
Also, does having a GED basically eliminate me from the runnings of regional/major airline employment, even though I'm going to be getting a Bachelors degree from a major university?

I read an article from an aviation magazine and it said that the number of certified pilots is going down year after year, from 2004 to 2006 there was a drop of about 20%. They are expecting a pilot shortage in a couple of years. I say this because the education requirement is the first thing airlines wave if they need to hire many pilots. It all depends on the competition. Regional airlines and charter ops do not care about your degree, there are many pilots in those airlines who have never stepped foot in a college class. Major airlines have a higher education requirment, from 2 to 4 year degrees. But even then if they need to hire many, it won't matter much.
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:18 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 3):
That's a lot of time and money to invest to be used as a "backup"..



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 4):
haha...falling back on being an airline pilot? That's crazy dude.

I don't plan on getting my certification and never using it, even if my other options pan out. Either way I would be getting my pilots license, its just this way, if I put more effort into it, I can transform it into a career, instead of a hobby.. I'm fully aware of the current job market of pilots, but I grew up wanting so badly to be a pilot, but I've come to realise how hard it is, and so I found something else I'd love to do.. I'm totally able to be in it for the longhaul to make this work... Thanks though.
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:49 pm

What you might do is use the ATC thing as a fall back. Set a point in time that you have to make the decision to go the ATC route and if your flying career isn't progressing to the point that you'd like it, pull the trigger and try for the ATC program.

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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:56 pm

Hahaha aviateur, I have your book!

but I must say I disagree on some of your ratings of airline liveries.  Wink
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:43 am

I'm not saying that an ATC job should be a backup to anything but when it comes to investing your own money into a career, piloting is very expensive. The FAA trains all controllers at its own expense unlike the piloting profession in general. I'd go for the airline gig and like the above poster said; set a point in which you can get out if you don't like it and or it isn't going like you planned and go for the ATC career path.

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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 5):
They are expecting a pilot shortage in a couple of years.

Actually it is a bit further out but that "expectation" is based on the status quo, which just can't be maintained. There is going to be consolidation in the industry that will start with the majors and will impact the regionals. There might be a bit of a squeeze while the industry goes through transition but it will be minor.
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Thread starter):
Also, does having a GED basically eliminate me from the runnings of regional/major airline employment, even though I'm going to be getting a Bachelors degree from a major university?

Absolutely not. If your final education level is higher, that is what they will look at. Besides, a GED is a completely valid high school diploma
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:28 am

I've been looking into ATC as well. The one school I was looking into has a waiting list till 2009. I wanted to be a pilot too but I'm not even going to pursue that.
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:12 am

ATC is a great profession, I control for the FAA and love it. As far as getting in, you have two options: enlisting in the military as a controller or going to one of the CTI colleges. Both offer a path to the FAA. Just depends on how you want to get there.
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Luketenley (Reply 12):
The one school I was looking into has a waiting list till 2009

Wow.. Which school was it?
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 14):
Wow.. Which school was it?

I guessing Embry Riddle, or Daniel Webster.

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TransWorldSTL
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 15):
Embry Riddle

Embry Riddle is still accepting applications for Spring 07 and so on for ATC majors, so I don't think it's them... Daniel Webster I guess is a good possibility.

I was looking into Univ of Alaska @ Anchorage, or Miami Dade (to get an associates, then turn it into a Bachelors at a different university)
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:48 am

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 10):
Actually it is a bit further out but that "expectation" is based on the status quo, which just can't be maintained. There is going to be consolidation in the industry that will start with the majors and will impact the regionals. There might be a bit of a squeeze while the industry goes through transition but it will be minor.

Wow, all your sentences scream out 100% certainty.
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 17):
Wow, all your sentences scream out 100% certainty.

I am 100% certain... but if I was screaming I would have used all CAPS (and perhaps BOLD as well).  Wink

Seriously, it is easy to be certain when airline CEOs, the ATA, and respected journals like AW&ST are all saying that there will be consolidation. But with a bit of research you can figure it out without them.
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 6):
I don't plan on getting my certification and never using it, even if my other options pan out. Either way I would be getting my pilots license, its just this way, if I put more effort into it, I can transform it into a career, instead of a hobby.. I'm fully aware of the current job market of pilots, but I grew up wanting so badly to be a pilot, but I've come to realise how hard it is, and so I found something else I'd love to do.. I'm totally able to be in it for the longhaul to make this work... Thanks though.

Unless you're a trustfund baby, $60,000+ for the proper training isn't something to take lightly. Certainly not an efficient use of your resources if you're not made of money. A simple private ticket alone is going to run you $6k+. Nevermind your instrument, MEI, commercial, etc.
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:23 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
Unless you're a trustfund baby, $60,000+ for the proper training isn't something to take lightly.

I don't plan on going for full commercial ratings immediatly. I plan on going for my Private Pilots either through a flight school, or college, then weighing my options, seeing what the job market is then, and making a decision on what to concentrate on at that time.
 
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 20):

I don't plan on going for full commercial ratings immediatly. I plan on going for my Private Pilots either through a flight school, or college, then weighing my options, seeing what the job market is then, and making a decision on what to concentrate on at that time.

One word of advice from someone who is knee deep in the job market. Aviation is one of those areas that changes often and changes quickly. What the job market is now is no guarantee for tomorrow. The "great" airline one day can be the "worst" airline the next day, month, or year (United, Delta, Pan Am, Mesaba, etc.).

An extreme example is the bonkers job market prior to 9/11. Afterwards there was no job market. While changes usually dont occur that fast, this is something you do because you like it, are willing to work hard to achieve your goals and take the bumps in the road that are inevitably coming.

Fly because you want to, but sure as heck don't do it for job security. Believe me, I'm still dealing with that fact, but I love it and am willing to work to reach my goals, whatever they are.

Someone once told me, "There are two kinds of pilots, those that have been furloughed and those that will." Unfortunately, its often the truth.

Good luck!!

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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:06 pm

Just get a degree. It doesnt have to even be aviation related, just do something you are interested in. My uncle is an AA 757/767 Captain and majored in business. I know a few pilots who majored in one area of Liberal Arts or another. Just have a college degree. Ive heard an awful lot of people telling me NOT to get a degree in flight simply so that I can have something else to fall back on.

Also, as others have said, don't have being a pilot as a fall back, if that is what you want, put your whole heart into it becuase it requires a lot of effort and $$$ to get there. I know there are a thousand other jobs I could get into, but I have an insatiable need to fly and I know that I won't be happy doing anything else.
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RE: Pilot/First Officer Careers @ Majors/regionals

Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:08 pm

I made a big mistake with myself and its going to cost me more money and time down the road. I always thought I had to to go a proper flight university to get a job with an airline. Instead I could've learned how to fly and get all my ratings from a local FBO and made myself more marketable with a computer science or aeronautical engineering degree. Now I'm stuck pursuing an aviation flight/management degree which I'm not really happy with.

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