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Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:15 pm

Kenya Airways will start flying to Brazaville in Congo and Cotonou in Benin as of October. Schedule posted at http://www.africanflyer.com
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:35 pm

Any particular reason that Luanda is noticeably absent from the network? I'd think that LAD would be added before COO.
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Any particular reason that Luanda is noticeably absent from the network? I'd think that LAD would be added before COO.

Probably a question of obtaining rights to fly there. The Angolan government is notoriously protective and stingy when it comes to giving out rights. LAD is very high yielding, and, as you say, there is no particular reason why KQ should not serve it.
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:31 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
LAD is very high yielding, and, as you say, there is no particular reason why KQ should not serve it.

Agree. AF has tried for many times to increase flights to LAD unsuccessfully.

Interesting about COO. COO airport also captures some traffic for neighbouring Togo and Nortwest/North Nigeria. I thought nearby Lome would be a market more interesting to be served as it could also capture some ACC traffic. AF at least is peforming better in Lome rather than COO.

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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
I thought nearby Lome would be a market more interesting to be served as it could also capture some ACC traffic.

Conversely, ACC (which KQ already serves 4x weekly) can just as easily serve the much smaller Lome market.
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
The Angolan government is notoriously protective and stingy when it comes to giving out rights

That's what I figured but is there a political reason why ET flies there but KQ does not?
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:36 am

Some dacates ago both countries Ethiopia and Angola were considered part of the communism world. Maybe from that time ET still has traffic rights?
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:29 am

I notice that the schedule is only 2x/week with B737-300s? This is hardly a strong link being developed. It seems odd that KQ introduces so many flights just 2x/week - IST, MPM and now BZV & COO?

Which markets are KQ targeting with 2 frequencies? Perhaps DXB or Asia?

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
AF at least is peforming better in Lome rather than COO.

Is this true?
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
AF at least is peforming better in Lome rather than COO.

What equipment do they use into Lomé?
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 6):
Some dacates ago both countries Ethiopia and Angola were considered part of the communism world. Maybe from that time ET still has traffic rights?

Interesting possibility. It is also interesting that ET managed to get an increase in frequency out of Angola over the last couple of weeks, now operating twice per week, nonstop.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 7):
I notice that the schedule is only 2x/week with B737-300s? This is hardly a strong link being developed. It seems odd that KQ introduces so many flights just 2x/week - IST, MPM and now BZV & COO?

Odd indeed. Also, KQ seems to be expanding throughout Africa using 737s as far away as Dakar. Anyone flown these long routes on the 73s? Is it economical to serve such long legs on such aircraft?
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting ETStar (Reply 9):
Anyone flown these long routes on the 73s? Is it economical to serve such long legs on such aircraft?

The passenger traffic on most of these routes is marginal to put it mildly. A big chunk of it consists of traders using the connections to/from Dubai, China, Thailand and India. The biggest drawback of the 737 is the cargo capacity (or lack thereof) but very few of the markets can justify an upguage to the 767. Most of these markets have directional traffic of no more than 100-200 pax per week, which is why you see them opened up as combined stations with 2x frequencies until they are established and able to sustain themselves.
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 10):
The passenger traffic on most of these routes is marginal to put it mildly. A big chunk of it consists of traders using the connections to/from Dubai, China, Thailand and India. The biggest drawback of the 737 is the cargo capacity (or lack thereof) but very few of the markets can justify an upguage to the 767. Most of these markets have directional traffic of no more than 100-200 pax per week, which is why you see them opened up as combined stations with 2x frequencies until they are established and able to sustain themselves.

How can KQ possibly compete with ET for service between West Africa and Asia when ET has far more frequencies with bigger aircraft? Or is KQ concentrating on local NBO traffic + connections to Southern Africa where demand for cargo space isn't as high?

Quoting ETStar (Reply 9):
It is also interesting that ET managed to get an increase in frequency out of Angola over the last couple of weeks, now operating twice per week, nonstop

If I'm not mistaken, ET has had 2 frequencies for almost a year.
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 11):
How can KQ possibly compete with ET for service between West Africa and Asia when ET has far more frequencies with bigger aircraft?

KQ's strategy has hence been to go into markets where ET's presence is either marginal or non-existant. That is why you see destinations like Freetown, Cotonou, Brazzaville, etc... where ET either does not fly or has not yet become dominant. Local Nairobi traffic accounts for only a minor proportion of KQ's traffic on these routes. KQ also tries to position itself as a premium brand. For understandable reasons, ET has developed the reputation of being a "traders airline" in West Africa - so more "sophisticated" passengers prefer using KQ.
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RE: Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo

Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 12):
KQ's strategy has hence been to go into markets where ET's presence is either marginal or non-existant. That is why you see destinations like Freetown, Cotonou, Brazzaville, etc...

What is the position of Emirates in regard to the West and Central African market? EK is currently operating daily terminator flights into LOS and five weekly rotations to Accra and Abidjan. What do their short and medium term expansion plans call for? According to their Nigeria manager - an ex Sabena guy - I spoke to, they were looking at serving more destinations in West and Central Africa, and were studying at the likes of Kinshasa (FIH), Libreville (LBV) and Dakar (DKR) as well as possible additional destinations in Nigeria, pending government approval.

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