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What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:25 am

We hear about them all the time. Yesterday an LH 744 landed here at MSP on its way to DEN with a heart attack victim. What costs do you think are involved in these situations? Obviously a fuel/weight recalc and a fuel dump if necessary come into play, but what about ground services, landing fees or others? Does this become a humanitarian services donation or does someone try to make money from an unfortunate incident?
 
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:36 pm

There have been many emergency landings the last weeks.
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:41 pm

Bounce this thought around.. Do the costs of an emergency landing out weigh the possible lawsuit if the pilots don't land and something happens i.e. the pax dies. Welcome to the lawsuit happy world we live in

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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:51 pm

I've been on a flight that was diverted for medical reasons. While worth it if a life is saved, the costs are plenty. In addition to ones you raised (landing fees, fuel, etc.):

-- Cost of misconnecting passengers (are hotel needed, staff time to reacommodate, etc.)
-- Crew time: will new crew be needed because crew time has expired?
-- Ground services, especially if aircraft lands at an airport where the aircraft or airline is not common.

There are others, but it adds up pretty fast.
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:53 pm

my uncle retired off the 744 at united in 02 and he did the ord-hkg runs quite a bit and he told me that it was in the 50k range to put it down in pek whether it be for a medical divert or to get more gas, he did divert there a few times for fuel and thats what he was being told by dispatch. where im at if a wn or jet blue divert here...they are charged triple the landing rate as they are not a signatory carrier(do not serve this airport)plus fuel and other cost asscoiated with the divert(crew time and the legalities with that)
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:59 pm

Does the passenger with the medical problem get billed for the extra expense?
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):

You are joking right?
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:16 am

The costs of a medical diversion are right there in the cost of a ticket. An airline can give you the average number of medical diversions per 100,000hrs and can break down the stats by fleet types, pairings, etc. The guy with the chest pains in 4c is costing you money and time. It is just a fact of life and a cost of doing business.
 
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting Trekster (Reply 6):
You are joking right?

No, why do you ask? If I am in a car accident and get life flighted I have to pay for it. Why should the airline have to foot the bill for someones medical condition. If the airline caused the medical problem they should have to pay other wise it should be the patients responsibility. This would discourage late term pregnancies and people who have medical conditions who really shouldn't fly from flying.
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:48 am

The costs of medical diversions are quite considerable, and the airlines now have a contracted outfit to give medical advice to the crew to supplement any onboard medical expertise that may be present.
 
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
Why should the airline have to foot the bill for someones medical condition.

Goodwill?

Also, diversions are normally not at the request of the pax? So if some poor guy gets sent a £50,000 bill for a heart attack he didn't know he was going to have, there's going to be a lot of negative press.
 
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:40 am

On Aug 10 (the day of the London scare) I flew on WN1815 SEA-MDW. As it happened, an older gentleman showed signs of what the crew thought might be a heart attack. The FAs asked over the PA if there was a physician on board. As it happens, the man sitting next to me was and he went forward to tend to the sick man. It turns out all the standing and other stresses brought on by the enhanced security protocols got the better of him and he developed shortness of breath and lightheadedness. The MD assured the flight crew there was nothing major to worry about so we continued on to Midway. On landing, an EMT crew was there to check the passenger out.

There was a real possibility of detouring to somewhere in Wyoming or South Dakota, but the physician's assurance the passenger would be OK was enough to keep us on course to Chicago. I'm now wondering, IF this passenger later developed greater medical problems because of not making an emergency landing somewhere, who would be liable, the airline, the MD or a combination of the two?
 
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:49 am

So part of my orignal question: do airports waive landing fees in situations such as this?
 
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 2):
Do the costs of an emergency landing out weigh the possible lawsuit if the pilots don't land and something happens i.e. the pax dies. Welcome to the lawsuit happy world we live in



Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 11):
IF this passenger later developed greater medical problems because of not making an emergency landing somewhere, who would be liable, the airline, the MD or a combination of the two?

At CO, as well as other airlines, we subscribe to a service called MedLink (a service of MedAire). It is based out of Banner Good Samaritan Medical Centre here in Phoenix. Whenever we have a sick customer or someone needing any type or medical assistance, we call them. Once a call has been initiated, they then assume responsibility for diverting, not diverting, getting assistance at the destination, getting assistance at the place of diversion and so on. They also assume responsibility for medical assistance that takes place onboard, but, again, they need to be called first.

As for the costs involved with landing fees, putting people up in hotels if the crew goes illegal, etc., that I am not sure. Probably the airline eats that.
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RE: What Costs Are Involved In A Medical Diversion?

Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting MSPCRJ200 (Reply 12):
So part of my orignal question: do airports waive landing fees in situations such as this?

If they are not a carrier at the diversion airport:

Quoting MSPCRJ200 (Reply 12):
they are charged triple the landing rate as they are not a signatory carrier(do not serve this airport)

No clue about if they are a carrier...