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Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:47 am

Today Egyptair's CAI-JFK flight (MS985) was diverted to Goose Bay in Newfoundland when the B777 flight crew declared an emergency after reports of smoke on board. Checks at Goose Bay uncovered no problems and the flight with 325 on board (313 passengers and 19 crew) later continued to New York/JFK.

If anyone has access to any flight trackers I'd appreciate times and the routing of this short diversion.


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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:56 am

Your title seemed more serious than the accident and I'm glad that's the case.  Smile It's good to know that there was nothing seriously wrong with the plane, but I guess few more checks are needed in JFK and it might cause some delay.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:00 am

I got this on flightview, best I could find I'm afraid Horus


Egyptair Flight Number 985 (MS985)
FLIGHT TRACKER
DepartureThis flight has been diverted.
Airport: CAI
Scheduled Time: 10:15 AM, Aug 28
Actual Time: 10:25 AM, Aug 28


ArrivalStatus: Landed
Airport: New York, NY (JFK) (JFK)

Diverted to YYR

Scheduled Time: 3:15 PM, Aug 28
Actual Time: 3:01 PM, Aug 28


Flight Details
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Ground Speed: -
Altitude: -


DepartureRecovery Leg
Airport: YYR
Scheduled Time: Not Available
Actual Time: 6:02 PM, Aug 28


ArrivalStatus: In air
Airport: New York, NY (JFK) (JFK)

Scheduled Time: 3:15 PM, Aug 28
Estimated Time: 6:37 PM, Aug 28
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Time To Arrival: 39 min


Flight Details
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Ground Speed: 485 KTS
Altitude: 38000 feet

All times listed are local times unless otherwise stated.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:11 am

Cheers Pilot21. Much appreciated. Does flightview provide maps of the routing? specifically the CAI-YYR sector?

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 2):
Scheduled Time: 3:15 PM, Aug 28
Estimated Time: 6:37 PM, Aug 28

MS986 back to CAI is usually due out at 18:30, so I imagine the flight will be at least 2 hours late.


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p.s. didn't mean to worry you there Aleksandar  Wink The smoke was reported in the cockpit.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:11 am

Flightaware.com and Fboweb.com both have the flight at 38,000 ft about 300 miles NE of JFK as of 6PM EDT. Routing appears to be over Presque Isle, Maine, and the Kennebunk arrival into JFK.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
p.s. didn't mean to worry you there Aleksandar

No, it is just fine, but in these days one thinks about many uglier options. Yes, smoke in cockpit is dangerous. First thought is Swissair 111 flight that wasn't so lucky. Fortunately, plane safely landed, passengers and crew are OK and nobody will say a word about pilots smoking nargilla in cockpit.  Wink
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 5):
No, it is just fine, but in these days one thinks about many uglier options.

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the state of the world today makes us a tad more pessimistic than usual. But all's well, that ends well. And I sure hope the pilots didn't have sheeshas in there

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p.s. thanks for the info Falcon flyer

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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):

hi Horus, Eyh ElA7'bar? Thanks of the news and Thank GOD that there was no any major issues, did they find out were was that smoke coming from?

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
MS986 back to CAI is usually due out at 18:30, so I imagine the flight will be at least 2 hours late.

Egyptair Flight Number 986 (MS986)

Departure
Airport: New York, NY (JFK) (JFK)
Scheduled Time: 6:30 PM, Aug 28
Actual Time: 9:14 PM, Aug 28

ArrivalStatus: In air
Airport: CAI
Scheduled Time: 11:45 AM, Aug 29
Estimated Time: 1:35 PM, Aug 29
Time To Arrival: 8 hr 7 min

Flight Details
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Ground Speed: 480 KTS
Altitude: 35000 feet

All times listed are local times unless otherwise stated

Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
And I sure hope the pilots didn't have sheeshas in there

Who knows, i have couple of friends who is in the Crew and the first thing when ever they come here is asking to to the Arabian Area to smoke Shisha.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:44 pm

Just like to clarify I train of thought I have seen creeping in with a few diversions on the 777 of late (not on this thread so far).

If the aircraft was a 777, 330, 747, 340, L1011, or MD-11, if the crew suspect fire the job is to get the aircraft on the ground ASAP. Its has nothing to do with the aircraft being a twin.

I have been told if an fire does break out, crews will have less than 20 minutes of useful time to deal with the emergency, the Swissair accident is a tribute to this.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):

Thanks for the Info Zeke didn't know about that 2 Minutes rule.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:25 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Cheers Pilot21. Much appreciated. Does flightview provide maps of the routing? specifically the CAI-YYR sector?

It shows routing maps, but on this flight, because it had already stopped at Goose, it just showed the YYR-JFK bit. I tried to copy that into my posting, but it only took the written data, sorry.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:52 am

Thanks god nobody was hurt . I heard in the news on my way back from work on Monday . As soon as i heard " An Egyptair flight on the way to JFK from Cairo..." i had my heart beating fast thinking of the worst , until i heard the rest of the news then i got releived .
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):
hi Horus, Eyh ElA7'bar?

Kwayis, inta 3amel eh?

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):
Thanks of the news and Thank GOD that there was no any major issues, did they find out were was that smoke coming from?



Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 11):
Thanks god nobody was hurt . I heard in the news on my way back from work on Monday . As soon as i heard " An Egyptair flight on the way to JFK from Cairo..." i had my heart beating fast thinking of the worst , until i heard the rest of the news then i got releived .

Oh absolutely. It's quite easy to assume the worst in these situations. Apparently no smoke was detected but there was a 'suspicious' smell in the cockpit. But it's better to be safe than sorry.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):
Scheduled Time: 6:30 PM, Aug 28
Actual Time: 9:14 PM, Aug 28

Not too much of a delay given the situation. Well done to the crew.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):
Who knows, i have couple of friends who is in the Crew and the first thing when ever they come here is asking to to the Arabian Area to smoke Shisha.

Haha, well I can imagine after 12 hours a smoker would be dieing for a fag/sheesha  Wink

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
If the aircraft was a 777, 330, 747, 340, L1011, or MD-11, if the crew suspect fire the job is to get the aircraft on the ground ASAP. Its has nothing to do with the aircraft being a twin.

I have been told if an fire does break out, crews will have less than 20 minutes of useful time to deal with the emergency, the Swissair accident is a tribute to this.

It's wise not to risk the safety of passengers and aircraft. Sure a diversion is inconvenient and it turned out to be a false alarm in this occasion, but precautions need to be taken.

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 10):
It shows routing maps, but on this flight, because it had already stopped at Goose, it just showed the YYR-JFK bit. I tried to copy that into my posting, but it only took the written data, sorry.

No problem Pilot21. Thanks for checking though.


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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Kwayis, inta 3amel eh?

tamam el7amd llah.

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Haha, well I can imagine after 12 hours a smoker would be dieing for a fag/sheesha

Have you ever been to the Crew Rest Area? Trust me they do smoke there.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
325 on board (313 passengers and 19 crew)

Very good load , eih? That's a load factor of 98.12% for this flight .

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):

Keifak ya abou el cabaten  

Horus , i just got the latest Egyptair inflight magazine ( Horus ) and it states in the Editorial that MS has already placed an order for 6 90 passenger regional jet for its ( new ) subsidiary that will take care of Egyptair's domestic route . Am I missing something or there is a new plan for MS domestic services ?

The Chairman of Egypt Air also stated that this ( new subsidiary ) will start operation by the beginning of 2007 .

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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 13):
tamam el7amd llah.

3al 3al!

I was reading this interview with Amadeus Egypt's GM where he said MS will move to a new business model in 2007 or 2008.

And also Egyptair are increasing their HRG flights this winter:
Egyptair Add 4th Daily Flight To HRG (by Horus Aug 22 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 13):
Have you ever been to the Crew Rest Area? Trust me they do smoke there.

No, never been but I imagine it's like an Ahwa


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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Apparently no smoke was detected but there was a 'suspicious' smell in the cockpit.

Smell of sheeshah?  Wink So, emergency was to clear out the smell before landing at JFK Big grin
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Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:06 am

Good to hear they're alright. I hope it was just a short circuit, or some system shorting out.

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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 14):
Very good load , eih? That's a load factor of 98.12% for this flight .

Well for now the loads are really high since every body is returning from the Summer Vacation, in the last couple of weeks i had to go to JFK to catch some people and meet some friends either coming or going back From/to CAI
I Noticed that the flight coming from CAI is almost full ( I also asked couple of my FA's friends that was on Board), but in the return Flight the loads were pretty poor for 3 times the load was about 70 PAX.
on the other hand i believe starting sep. the loads will raise again since most of the people that comes here for the Summer are returning since school starts in Mid Sep.
I booked MY bro on Sep. 14th and when i tried to change it to 15th they told me that the flight was booked on the 15th till 17th which confirm with my assumption.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 14):
Keifak ya abou el cabaten

habibi A7'bark eh? Ana Tamam el 7amd LLAH

Quoting Horus (Reply 15):
No, never been but I imagine it's like an Ahwa

Trust me it's, you can see them sneaking down there  Smile

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 17):
Good to hear they're alright. I hope it was just a short circuit, or some system shorting out.

Well i think that was the problem too, i was reading on one of the Canadian newspapers and they said that they repaired the aircraft there
http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/z_canadain0829.lasso
Does any one knows exactly what was repaired?

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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:35 pm

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 14):
Horus , i just got the latest Egyptair inflight magazine ( Horus ) and it states in the Editorial that MS has already placed an order for 6 90 passenger regional jet for its ( new ) subsidiary that will take care of Egyptair's domestic route . Am I missing something or there is a new plan for MS domestic services ?

The Chairman of Egypt Air also stated that this ( new subsidiary ) will start operation by the beginning of 2007 .

Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I completely missed your post.

Well I've heard more info this week (nothing about this order though). We can chat about it in another thread if you start one (maybe 'Egyptair domestics' or in the current MS HRG one) because we've kinda veered off track with this discussion (my fault I know  angel  ) and besides it's not good for MS's image to keep this thread alive for too long  Wink

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 16):
Smell of sheeshah? Wink So, emergency was to clear out the smell before landing at JFK Big grin

Shhhh, don't tell no one  Wink

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 17):
ood to hear they're alright. I hope it was just a short circuit, or some system shorting out.

Still trying to find out but apparently it came from the cargo hold.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
Trust me it's, you can see them sneaking down there Smile

All 19 of them?  Wink


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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
besides it's not good for MS's image to keep this thread alive for too long

I'm affraid to say that MS is on my personal "no fly" list anyway. I cannot explain this, just an uncomfortable feeling. Same as Royal Air Maroc, Tunis Air, any of the non-Aeroflot Russians, any of the Chinese operators ... Definitely not the successor of Air Zaire either ... several others as well.
 
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:00 pm

Jamesjoyce, the comment was meant tongue in cheek. In fact the thread illustrated how the crew took the precautionary (and correct) action of diverting the aircraft based on safety reasons. And it's disappointing to read MS is on your 'no fly' list, since the airline has gone leaps and bounds for the past few years to enhance its operations, upgrade its fleet and improve its network and onboard services.

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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
habibi A7'bark eh? Ana Tamam el 7amd LLAH

Very good  Smile

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I completely missed your post.

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Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
We can chat about it in another thread if you start one

Done .

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 20):
I'm affraid to say that MS is on my personal "no fly" list anyway

I am sorry to hear that but i have a question for you : Have you tried them before ?
Since 2004 the company has improved a lot in both service and punctuality , they operate a small but a new fleet of 36 A/C .
You can visit www.cairo-airport.com and www.carsurvey.org to check the punctuality of the Airline as well as the comments of passengers on the Airline service and reliability , you will notice that after 2004 99% of the comments are positive . Besides , Egyptair ranks 5th among all international Airlines in ( Flight on time mark chart ) on carsurvey .org .
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
Shhhh, don't tell no one

Don't worry. My lips are sealed and nobody will hear anything from me about sheeshah and belly dancer in the cockpit.  Silly

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 20):
I'm affraid to say that MS is on my personal "no fly" list anyway. I cannot explain this, just an uncomfortable feeling. Same as Royal Air Maroc, Tunis Air, any of the non-Aeroflot Russians, any of the Chinese operators ... Definitely not the successor of Air Zaire either ... several others as well.

Hmm, I'm still very sorry that my plans to fly Tunisair to Monastir this summer didn't work out. As for "no-fly" list, it's everybody's personal decision, but most of the airlines you mentioned worked really hard to improve its safety record and they are doing a good job, Egyptair included.

Quoting Horus (Reply 21):
airline has gone leaps and bounds for the past few years to enhance its operations, upgrade its fleet and improve its network and onboard services.

Exactly my point. The only two problems I have with Egyptair is their fleet (too many aircraft types there) and their website. Will they change it?  hissyfit 
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Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
Don't worry. My lips are sealed and nobody will hear anything from me about sheeshah and belly dancer in the cockpit. Silly

Well I've got my finger over the "Ban Aleksander from A.net" button just in case you squeal... bigthumbsup 

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
Exactly my point. The only two problems I have with Egyptair is their fleet (too many aircraft types there) and their website. Will they change it? hissyfit

Well I think the fleet is much more streamlined than in the 90s, and the A342s and B735s should be leaving before the end of the decade. As for the website, I wholeheartedly agree with you, it's a abysmal. A new one should be launched later this year.



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Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 24):
Well I think the fleet is much more streamlined than in the 90s, and the A342s and B735s should be leaving before the end of the decade.

You're right. In 90s, fleet was more chaotic. Currently, if I were somebody in MS(which I am not), I would replace 342 with few more 772.


Quoting Horus (Reply 24):
Well I've got my finger over the "Ban Aleksander from A.net" button just in case you squeal...

It's not fair, you're using your position of moderator to threaten poor old me  cry 
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
All 19 of them?

No to be honest, only 17 since the Pilot and the FO was smoking in the cockpit
 Big grin  Wink

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 25):
It's not fair, you're using your position of moderator to threaten poor old me

yup he always do the same  Sad poor Us.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 26):
yup he always do the same poor Us.

Well, we can always teach him a lesson  box   taekwondo 
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 22):
Walla yehemak , 7a asam7ak elmarra deeh laken el marra elgaya la momken abadan Smile Smile

Tamam ya basha! Inta to2mor!

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 22):
Done .

Tislam ideek we 3ineek

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 25):
I would replace 342 with few more 772.

Well that's one of the rumours currently circulating.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 26):
No to be honest, only 17 since the Pilot and the FO was smoking in the cockpit

O well it seems the pilots have let the team down. Social smoking is way too important to miss...at the very least they should of joined them in the room for some passive smoking...lol

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 25):
It's not fair, you're using your position of moderator to threaten poor old me cry



Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 26):
yup he always do the same Sad poor Us.



Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 27):
Well, we can always teach him a lesson box taekwondo

Well someone needs to keep you kids in-line. Just think of me as Uncle Horus  old . Now would both of you 'teach' an old wise man like myself 'a lesson'. Kids nowadays....tut tut



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Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 28):
Just think of me as Uncle Horus

Uncle Horus! Read my profile and call me granddad from now on Big grin
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:42 am

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Zdravo деда Aleksandar

Govorim malo srpski jezik  Smile

довиђења doviđenja
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I just hope that makes sense. My (pathetic) attempt at speaking Serbian.



Oh and BTW is the world class JU serving CAI during W06/07 (nothing on Amadeus)?


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Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 28):



Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 27):
Well, we can always teach him a lesson

Looks like he is looking for one :P

Quoting Horus (Reply 30):
Zdravo деда Aleksandar

Govorim malo srpski jezik

довиђења doviđenja

OK Aleksandar, da vidimo da li ce shvatiti ovo.
cini se da ga zaista treba poduciti srpski..

Quoting Horus (Reply 30):
Oh and BTW is the world class JU serving CAI during W06/07 (nothing on Amadeus)?

yea i would like to see that and also do you have any news if JU will ever start JFK service?

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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 30):
I just hope that makes sense. My (pathetic) attempt at speaking Serbian.

Actually, it makes a lot of sense and it was perfectly written both in Latin and Cyrillic letters.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Horus (Reply 30):
Oh and BTW is the world class JU serving CAI during W06/07

To be honest, I have no idea. It will definitely depend on demand, but don't be surprised if JAT limits itself to seasonal charters connecting CAI and SSH or CAI and HRG. As I've said before, we need Egyptair here.

BTW, I told you that I saw Air Cairo plane in Budapest? It was A320 to HRG and I was wondering what are the chances to see Air Cairo in BEG next summer? Charters to Egypt, Turkey and Tunisia were all JAT this summer and it was a chaos at some point. Flights were leaving BEG at around 10p.m. and shortage of planes caused huge delays when one or two planes had mechanical problems. Tourists were quite angry here because of that and there were few articles in newspapers about it too.

While situation with Tunisia was different because Tunisair flies, too and tourists can actually choose between JAT and TU, Egypt and Turkey were mess. I hope that people in Air Cairo are aware of that and that they might enter the market next year and take their piece of cake, too.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:32 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 31):
Looks like he is looking for one :P

Il-misami7 Kareem

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 32):
Actually, it makes a lot of sense

Phew. I was just hoping I wouldn't insult anyone

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 32):
and it was perfectly written both in Latin and Cyrillic letters.

I'm a man of many talents  Wink

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 32):
To be honest, I have no idea. It will definitely depend on demand, but don't be surprised if JAT limits itself to seasonal charters connecting CAI and SSH or CAI and HRG. As I've said before, we need Egyptair here.

I think JU have served CAI on a continuous year-round basis however they sometimes relaunch flights with very short notice. I'd like to see MS at BEG, but I can't see it happening because the market is too small and Serbia/Egypt business ties are minimal which means few business clients. Their only East European destination (if you don't consider VIE) is BUD. KBP was dropped in 2004. Having said that when MS turn CAI into a hub in 2007/2008 (as expected) BEG could be a possibility. That way MS will not only depend on the small O&D market but the transfer market too (before the likes of EK/EY/QR get in there). What's the largest overseas market from BEG?

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 32):
BTW, I told you that I saw Air Cairo plane in Budapest?

And I have the wonderful pics to prove it

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 32):
and I was wondering what are the chances to see Air Cairo in BEG next summer?

Hard to say. The strange thing is that the main markets for most Egyptian charter airlines is East Europe so one would expect services to BEG. Maybe Serbian travel agencies are loyal to JU?


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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 31):
OK Aleksandar, da vidimo da li ce shvatiti ovo.
cini se da ga zaista treba poduciti srpski..

Eh pa ovo je sada zaista iznenadjenje. Odakle si?

Quoting Horus (Reply 33):
I'm a man of many talents

Oh, and I very modest one  wink  . OK, here's a deal. I can easily teach you Cyrillic letters, if you give me Arabic lessons.

Quoting Horus (Reply 33):
Maybe Serbian travel agencies are loyal to JU?

Well, they are loyal to profits, like all other agencies. One thing is certain, they don't like inconveniences and bad publicity and they had lots of them this summer thanks to JAT. Some of them welcomed the arrival of Centavia in August and used their services even to SSH, but I doubt that will be the case next year because Centavia will hopefully be LCC. If something doesn't change in JAT, they will seek for other airlines. Maybe they won't sign exclusive deals with them but will definitely use them together with JAT, just like in the case of Tunisair. I only saw one agency that offered only JAT flights to Tunisia, while all the others offered both JU and TU and all of those flights were full. Charters are still safe bet here, planes are full and profit is there, too.

Quoting Horus (Reply 33):
And I have the wonderful pics to prove it

No, it was Egyptair and I'm glad it was in full livery. I had no film left when Air Cairo arrived  cry 
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 33):
Il-misami7 Kareem

enta el Kareem bardo  Smile

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 34):
Eh pa ovo je sada zaista iznenadjenje. Odakle si?

I'm from Egypt but my wife is Croatian and i asked her to help me with those words.
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:26 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 35):
I'm from Egypt but my wife is Croatian and i asked her to help me with those words.

Oh, I see now. For a moment, I thought you are originally from this region. Of course, I couldn't tell what part, but the word "poduciti" made me believe that you are from Croatia. These are those small differencies that we "locals" can only see. Send my regards to your wife. From what part of Croatia is she?

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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 36):
Of course, I couldn't tell what part, but the word "poduciti" made me believe that you are from Croatia. These are those small differencies that we "locals" can only ses

Yea she always says that you all can understand each others with small differences

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 36):
Send my regards to your wife

Thanks and our Regards back

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 36):
From what part of Croatia is she?

She is From Pula.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 36):
Sve najbolje iz Beograda

Sve najbolje iz New Yorka

Belgrade oh i went there long long time ago i still remember How beautiful it was
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 37):
She is From Pula.

Oh, from the beautiful Istra. I was there few times. Probably the most interesting part of Adriatic coastline with interesting landscapes and fascinating cultural mixture (Croatian, Slovenian, Italian and Istrian). Pula is a beautiful city especially the Roman amphitheater.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 37):
Belgrade oh i went there long long time ago i still remember How beautiful it was

If it was a long time ago, you need to be reminded, so come back again  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:00 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 38):
Oh, from the beautiful Istra. I was there few times. Probably the most interesting part of Adriatic coastline with interesting landscapes and fascinating cultural mixture (Croatian, Slovenian, Italian and Istrian). Pula is a beautiful city especially the Roman amphitheater.

Yup i do agree that Area is amazing, Relaxing and a very nice Touristic area i love the Arena there don't you  Smile

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 38):
If it was a long time ago, you need to be reminded, so come back again

I hope Next Year in MY Trip to Pula i would have time to Stop there, that's why i'm Hoping for JU to Open Direct flights to JFK
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RE: Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)

Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 39):
i love the Arena there don't you

Of course, I do. In fact, I love Pula which my second favorite coastal city in Croatia. I hope you're wife won't be offended, but Dubrovnik is still number 1. Anyway, I was once "lucky" enough to catch a strange bus line from Pula to Porec that went all over Istria. Fortunately, I had no problems with that after 50 minutes flight from Belgrade and I've seen some interesting places inside the peninsula. So strange and unique and nothing similar can be found anywhere along the Adriatic coastline.

I do need to come back again there, because my last visit was long time ago and during the winter when weather was harsh. Funny, it was the only time that I literally ran to the plane, because I was freezing at the airport.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 39):
that's why i'm Hoping for JU to Open Direct flights to JFK

I'm not so sure about JU flights to JFK. Of course, I'd love that, but FAA didn't give JAT Category 1 and that's why they posponed the whole idea. There is a possibility that, if things remain unchanged, JAT signs deal similar to the one it had with Uzbekistan AL to fly to JFK from Belgrade.

Interestingly, every now and then, someone mentions the possibilty of flight between Belgrade and Pula. Among the interested airlines is Air Adriatic and something tells me that I can easily be the first direct flight between Croatia and Serbia. Tourists from Serbia are going back to Istria and their numbers are growing, so there is a healthy demand for such flight. I only hope they won't take off at 6am like all of my flights from BEG to PUY.
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