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AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:23 pm

Finnair website and Amadeus.net are showing that AY will fly to NRT 4 times per week with a B752 non-stop starting from Dec:

Finnair AY 73
HEL-NRT 17:20-09:55+1 (Tue)
HEL-NRT 17:20-10:00+1 (Thu, Sat, Sun)
Non-stop
752 9h35min / 9h40min

Finnair AY 74
NRT-HEL 11:55-15:10
Non-stop
752 10h15min (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun)

(Right now the flight is twice per week with MD-11.)

I know AY is getting winglets for it's B752 charter fleet and it seems they are converting one of them to have J and a regular Y class, but how on earth can a B752 fly 10 hours non-stop?!

I was thinking earlier that AY might do this with JFK as they fly the charter version non-stop to YYZ, but NRT!!!


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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:47 pm

Wow! That is exciting, I guess partly because I used to work for Finnair. If anyone can make that work, it would be the Finns. I am biased, as I lived in Finland for 3 years, love the country and people.
I wonder what their configuration will be, and maybe an increased seat pitch in Y-class as well? This really does intrigue me.
I remember in the 70's Finnair used to fly from HEL to LAX/SFO/YVR nonstop on charters, not that surprising except that it was a DC8-62 Combi, the added weight of the reinforced cargo floor alone weighed a lot.
Anyway, I will be waiting eagerly for the inaugural, and see how it does. Surely that will be a first for the 757 that distance.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:58 pm

Quoting AY104 (Reply 1):
If anyone can make that work, it would be the Finns

That so true.  Wink And this wouldn't be the first time AY would do something spectacular on the HEL-NRT route: when Japan granted the slots at NRT in the early 80's (right?), I don't think they knew the route would be a non-stop one since no-one was allowed to fly over the Soviet Union. What AY did was they added extra fuel tanks to DC-10-30 and flew the route over North Pole avoiding Soviet airspace all together. And that was the first Western Europe - Japan non-stop flight.


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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:07 pm

I believe those Finnair 757-200s have P&W engines. Even with those and winglets, I do not see how they can do it non-stop without weight reduction considerations - less passengers, less cargo, etc.. Also, will the 757 lavs support a 10 hour non-stop flight with a full house? It will be (very, very) interesting to see if they can make it without a fuel stop in Beijing or ? in the event they try it with a near full load. I wouldn't want to take that flight, but the Finns are a calm lot and used to Sardine packing. Keep us up to date on what happens.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:33 pm

When NRT's second runway opened in 2002, rumor was that AY would use its 757s to increase its frequency from two to four weekly but because of the distance involved, it would tech stop in PEK.

Why doesn't AY allocate its A343 on the NRT-HEL because it would mean the A343 land on the shorter runway and take-off off the longer. This would effectively double the capacity available per week instead of a marginal increase with the 757.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:33 pm

HEL-NRT, 9h 30m in a 752 and 10h 15m back?!?!

Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..

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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
Why doesn't AY allocate its A343 on the NRT-HEL because it would mean the A343 land on the shorter runway and take-off off the longer. This would effectively double the capacity available per week instead of a marginal increase with the 757.

Well until yesterday the route showed A343 starting from summer 2007 with twice weekly flights (as well as three times a week A343 to NGO). There is speculation on the Finnish aviation forum that this is just an error and it should be 4 times a week HEL-NRT-HEL with A343 and 2 times a week HEL-NGO-HEL with A343 (+ 1 weekly HEL-NGO-HEL with MD-11). Let's see...
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
HEL-NRT, 9h 30m in a 752 and 10h 15m back?!?!

Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..

What's the problem if they're installing a normal seating configuration? The charter configured ones are horrible, I agree.

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 6):
There is speculation on the Finnish aviation forum that this is just an error

This makes more sense.

[Edited 2006-08-29 11:38:31]
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:21 pm

You'll see this kind of errors in a CRS from time to time. Some years ago, SAS 767-service FBU-EWR was listed as operated by a F-27 ...
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..

I just flew LIS-EWR on a 757 (CO) and that was enough. My sentiments exactly!
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:54 pm

I think this is a mistake, plain and simple. The 757 simply can't stay airborne that long without stopping somewhere to refuel. The flight times given preclude a hidden tech stop (you know when you see two "direct" flights listed eg YYZ-HKG, one of them is two hours longer than the other?) as well. Someone made a mistake, this will change to 340 or M11.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:44 pm

so is this just a mistake by Finnair then?
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:55 pm

Is it actually scheduled for 10hrs? The reason I ask is that I have flown LHR - NRT in 10.5 hrs (this could well be a quicker than normal time) and HEL - NRT must surely be a good 2-3 hrs shorter.

HEL - NRT at aprox 7800km + is a seriously long way for a 757 but it could well be feasible if they are moving to a two class config and are adding weight restrictions and winglets.

Just another thought

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
The flight times given preclude a hidden tech stop

Can a flight be marketed as a direct flight if it isn't non-stop?

I would say yes as you dont have to change aircraft or flt numbers so it is still the same flight even though it isnt non stop.

Any other comments regarding this thought.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:57 pm

I called to AY and they also confirmed that they will start to ops non stop HEL-NRT using B757-200. I think they will add additional fuel tanks in the plane. But they defenitly dont take any cargo o/b.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:05 pm

Wow........ not much confidence in a 757-200. This airframe can do wonders.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting Spottingpete93 (Reply 12):
Is it actually scheduled for 10hrs? The reason I ask is that I have flown LHR - NRT in 10.5 hrs (this could well be a quicker than normal time) and HEL - NRT must surely be a good 2-3 hrs shorter.

Only NRT-HEL is scheduled for 10 h 25 min, not HEL-NRT which is 9 h 35 min. Of course the actual time flying is shorter. I flew HEL-KIX in 8 h 55 min with AY MD-11.

Quoting Nordiclight (Reply 13):
I called to AY and they also confirmed that they will start to ops non stop HEL-NRT using B757-200.

Was the person who confirmed this someone who actually knows more about the operations (and not just AY booking agent)?
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:46 pm

From Boeing's website:

''For added reliability on ETOPS flights, the 757 is available with extended range features, including a backup hydraulic-motor generator and an auxiliary fan to cool equipment in the electronics bay. High-gross-weight versions of the aircraft can fly 4,500 statute miles (7,240 kilometers) nonstop with full passenger payload. ''

HEL-NRT is 4877 miles, which certainly makes it possible as Finnair will have less payload than Boeing's 240 pax calculation and in addition will have winglets, which improves the range with around 5%..

I do, however, find this as pushing the operational limits somewhat ... especially taking seasonal winds into consideration.

I still beleive this is a typo.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:01 am

It makes sense. AY can get Narita slots, just not for their MD-11s or A340s. After the opening of the second runway, a lot of slots for 767 and smaller aircraft were made available.

4800 miles+ does sound a bit nuts. I hear AA was trying to get its 757s up to 4000 miles range, and haven't got it to that point (I'm talking about reliably perform 4000 miles with headwind, not Boeing's 4000 miles with a tailwind and no cargo).
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 17):
After the opening of the second runway, a lot of slots for 767 and smaller aircraft were made available.

Right, but:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
Why doesn't AY allocate its A343 on the NRT-HEL because it would mean the A343 land on the shorter runway and take-off off the longer.

I'm getting more and more doubtful, since using A343 seems much more logical. OAG timetables don't show the B752 at the moment but they don't show the 4 per week ops either. And both Finnair.com and on-line travel agent websites are already selling the flight 4 days a week from Dec 2006.

On a personal note, I'm extremely happy that AY could finally get more slots at NRT since getting myself on the twice a week flight has proven quite tricky in the past. (I've made it only once on NRT-HEL, never HEL-NRT...)
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:19 am

The 15 C-class seats mentioned on the Finnish discussion forum sounds ridiculously low as well for NRT.

I'd expect something like 10 rows (40 seats) of old M11 J seats with added recline and 60" pitch since the lie-flats are possibly very heavy.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:22 am

This I really have to see.

I hope we can get more definative details.

Though I wouldn't want to fly this route on a B752, it would probably be the longest B752 flight. How cool.

Good job AY.

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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:20 am

I wonder what their seat pitch is in Coach/Economy? As much as I love the 757, 9-10 hrs in one is NO vacation...
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Thread starter):
but how on earth can a B752 fly 10 hours non-stop?!

Yet another thing this amazing aircraft can do.

Quoting TUSflyer (Reply 21):
I wonder what their seat pitch is in Coach/Economy? As much as I love the 757, 9-10 hrs in one is NO vacation...



Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 9):
Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..

I just flew LIS-EWR on a 757 (CO) and that was enough. My sentiments exactly!

I just don't understand this point of view. You mean to tell me if you are sitting in identical seats (32" pitch, 18"wide) that you would be more comfortable on a widebody? I don't buy it.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:16 am

North American shows a 757 from JFK-LOS, a distance of 5250nm, 373nm farther than HEL-NRT.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
HEL-NRT, 9h 30m in a 752 and 10h 15m back?!?!

Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..



Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 9):
I just flew LIS-EWR on a 757 (CO) and that was enough. My sentiments exactly!



Quoting KL808 (Reply 20):
Though I wouldn't want to fly this route on a B752, it would probably be the longest B752 flight.



Quoting TUSflyer (Reply 21):
As much as I love the 757, 9-10 hrs in one is NO vacation...



Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 22):
I just don't understand this point of view. You mean to tell me if you are sitting in identical seats (32" pitch, 18"wide) that you would be more comfortable on a widebody? I don't buy it.

I don't buy it either. Have you people ever been on an airplane? What is the general difference in passenger experience between a 757 and 747? You are generally stuck in the same size seat, next to the same size aisle and same size window. The only place that aisle will take you is to a bathroom that is generally the same size. The only difference is that the galley on the 747 is bigger, but the FAs get annoyed when you hang out in there anyway. You have been watching too many movies, there are no piano bars and sky lounges on the widebodies, and if there was, they could put one in the 757 too.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 23):
North American shows a 757 from JFK-LOS, a distance of 5250nm, 373nm farther than HEL-NRT.

That route is operated with a 763, not a 757.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 22):
I just don't understand this point of view. You mean to tell me if you are sitting in identical seats (32" pitch, 18"wide) that you would be more comfortable on a widebody? I don't buy it.

A widebody gives you easier aisle access, more lavs, more space to walk around, less crammed cabin (it's easier to walk around with two aisles).
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:26 am

I noticed the same news on Finnair's web site last night and thought it must be an error... so, can only wait and see.

AY sure is creative... like DC-10 with extra tanks HEL-NRT in 1980s. Finnair's long B757 charters flights are my personal nightmare but I'm really curious how the converted version would work here. Like already said, JFK would had been less surprising.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
That route is operated with a 763, not a 757.

oops, just rechecked it.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:28 am

If true that would probably be the longest single-aisle flight in a non-all business class configuration.

I believe Vladivostock Air has the current title with it's non-stop between St. Petersburg and Vladivostock.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 3):
I believe those Finnair 757-200s have P&W engines. Even with those and winglets, I do not see how they can do it non-stop without weight reduction considerations - less passengers, less cargo, etc..

Before LightSaber points it out, the PW engines on the 757 have better fuel burn than the RB.211s, so if there is any engine on the 757 that can do this length of flight it would be the PW 2043.

Will be interesting to see if they can pull it off, but occasionally there are routes that are a bit beyond the published aircraft range that still are possible. CP was a bit of a master of this, YUL-YVR on a 732, YYZ-NRT on a DC-10-30ER and later 767-300ER.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 22):
I just don't understand this point of view. You mean to tell me if you are sitting in identical seats (32" pitch, 18"wide) that you would be more comfortable on a widebody? I don't buy it.



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 26):
A widebody gives you easier aisle access, more lavs, more space to walk around, less crammed cabin (it's easier to walk around with two aisles).

A 747 doesn't give much better aisle access at 3-4-3, and the seat width is the same. Though I do like the experience of the 747 a bit better, boarding and deplaning the 757 has it's advantages (less time sitting in your seat waiting to push back, shorter lines at immigration/baggage claim).

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 30):
Will be interesting to see if they can pull it off, but occasionally there are routes that are a bit beyond the published aircraft range that still are possible.

Very true. Has P&W offered any fuel burn upgrade kits to these engines over the years that Finnair may have applied? Winglets+engine mods could really impact performance with 7-8% improvement. That's 300nm or more on the 757...
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 22):
I just don't understand this point of view. You mean to tell me if you are sitting in identical seats (32" pitch, 18"wide) that you would be more comfortable on a widebody? I don't buy it.

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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 26):
A widebody gives you easier aisle access

You still have two crawl across one or two seats to get to it - just like a 757.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 26):
more lavs

Ratio of lavs to passengers is similar to the 757.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 26):
more space to walk around

Maybe, but these days you're still delegated to remain in your class - just like a 757.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 26):
less crammed cabin (it's easier to walk around with two aisles)

Narrower yes, less crammed? Hardly. And hanging around walking within the cabin is a bad idea any way. Does the acronym CAT ring a bell?   

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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 17):
I hear AA was trying to get its 757s up to 4000 miles range

4000 sm is already done on 752s all the time.

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 23):
North American shows a 757 from JFK-LOS, a distance of 5250nm, 373nm farther than HEL-NRT.

You didn't add those numbers right.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 31):
Very true. Has P&W offered any fuel burn upgrade kits to these engines over the years that Finnair may have applied? Winglets+engine mods could really impact performance with 7-8% improvement. That's 300nm or more on the 757...

The 3900nm number is for 255,000 pounds with all engine options, but without winglets.

I am suspect of what AY is going to have to do to get this flight to work. There will likely be weight restrictions or something of the sort.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:41 am

if the ticket prices are right then they will do ok.
The HEL-NRT flight is 9h35 minutes. only 35 minutes longer then CO s ARN-EWR flight.I guess that with fewer seats and extra fuel tanks its not impossible.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 26):
Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 22):
I just don't understand this point of view. You mean to tell me if you are sitting in identical seats (32" pitch, 18"wide) that you would be more comfortable on a widebody? I don't buy it.

A widebody gives you easier aisle access, more lavs, more space to walk around, less crammed cabin (it's easier to walk around with two aisles).

I think the exact same thing. I flew with CO on EDI-EWR in March and although I love the 757, i didn't find it as comfy as the BA 777 I flew back to LHR. I think it's having the wider cabin as opposed to the narrower 757 one. Plus you get the added benefit of a larger a/c, you have more place to walk around  Smile

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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 16):
HEL-NRT is 4877 miles, which certainly makes it possible as Finnair will have less payload than Boeing's 240 pax calculation and in addition will have winglets, which improves the range with around 5%..

757 Winglets improve the Range by 100-200nm, not 5% - regardless of the flight distance. Fuel burn May be decreased by a maximunm of 5%.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:36 am

It all just comes down to cabin volume. In a wide body more cabin space eases the mind as far as claustrophobia is concerned. The size of seat and window etc is irrelevant. I don't like the feeling of getting on a narrow body when the flight time is anymore than about 4 hours. However once the flight is under way it feels better, and you do sort of settle into your space and tend to forget whether it is a wide or narrow body. Having said that I would avoid a 10 hour 757 flight like the plague.
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:08 am

Who would dare to challange CO to the 757-200 range limits? Jk... The Flight will be fine, it's not much longer than a CO flight from EWR-ARN or EWR-CPH, both of which were excellent flights according to my preference. I'd love to get on that flight, but I couldn't ever imagine flying from HEL-NRT.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 35):
The HEL-NRT flight is 9h35 minutes. only 35 minutes longer then CO s ARN-EWR flight.I guess that with fewer seats and extra fuel tanks its not impossible.

ARN-EWR is against the wind, HEL-NRT is with the wind. Big difference
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Socal (Reply 14):
Wow........ not much confidence in a 757-200. This airframe can do wonders.

I agree, however, it is no longer in production...  scratchchin 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Thread starter):
I know AY is getting winglets for it's B752 charter fleet and it seems they are converting one of them to have J and a regular Y class, but how on earth can a B752 fly 10 hours non-stop?!

Just out of curiosity, could this service be something like the PrivatAir or Maxjet Service. Sort of an exclusive biz class flight? This is a question as I do not really know the demand on this lane.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
4000 sm is already done on 752s all the time.

Such as which routes? EWR-ARN is only 3930 statute miles.
EWR-CPH is only 3867.

Quoting COERJ (Reply 39):
The Flight will be fine, it's not much longer than a CO flight from EWR-ARN or EWR-CPH, both of which were excellent flights according to my preference.

Please, get your units right. EWR-ARN = 3930 US miles = 3415 nm. From 3415 to 4238 (HEL-NRT) is a tremendous difference.

Can't wait for the day these miles will be banned. Life will be much easier with only km on ground and nm up there and at sea... After all, the end must be close, there are not so many countries left using them (can't think of more than one)...

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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:54 am

I don't think this is such a big deal considering we have A319's flying MXP-JFK nonstop. Over the pole, no big whoop.
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 40):
ARN-EWR is against the wind, HEL-NRT is with the wind. Big difference

True. But NRT-HEL is against the wind, as opposed to EWR-ARN, which is WITH the wind.  duck 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 43):
Such as which routes? EWR-ARN is only 3930 statute miles.
EWR-CPH is only 3867.

I was off by 20 miles, which is statistically insignificant. EWR-TXL is 3980sm

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 45):
True. But NRT-HEL is against the wind, as opposed to EWR-ARN, which is WITH the wind.

Um, point?

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 44):
I don't think this is such a big deal considering we have A319's flying MXP-JFK nonstop. Over the pole, no big whoop.

We are talking about normal airplanes, not low density corporate jet derivitives
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:11 am

Great circle mapper says: NRT-HEL is 4238nm

On the other hand NRT-SEA is 4144nm

Will we see SEA-NRT in a 752 anytime soon?  bouncy 
 
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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 46):
Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 45):
True. But NRT-HEL is against the wind, as opposed to EWR-ARN, which is WITH the wind.

Um, point?

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RE: AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!

Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 47):
Will we see SEA-NRT in a 752 anytime soon?

If they can do SEA-NRT profitably with A330s and 777s why would they downsize?

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