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North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:37 pm

Just a short question: What are the diversion airports for Widebodies on route from Europe to North America or vv. between Iceland and Labrador/Newfoundland? How many airports in Greenland can handle a widebody?
 
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:39 pm

Keflavic is commonly used.

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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:14 pm

I was more interested about the airports between KEF in the east and YQX, YYT and YYR in the west, the ones in Greenland
 
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:31 pm

I believe Sonde Stromfjord (SFJ) is the only airport in Greenland that can handle widebody a/c  Smile
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:55 pm

What about Kangerlussaq (spelling?)
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
What about Kangerlussaq (spelling?)

Kangerlussaq is SFJ!
 
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:39 pm

Quoting FraT (Reply 2):
I was more interested about the airports between KEF in the east and YQX

Sorry!
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting FraT (Reply 5):
Kangerlussaq is SFJ!

Never realised it was also called Sonde Stromfjord  Embarrassment
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:47 pm

Thule Air Base (THU) features a 9997 ft runway, but I am not sure if it would be open to commercial diversions.
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Added from wikipedia.org:
Kangerlussuaq Airport (IATA: SFJ, ICAO: BGSF), also known as Søndre Strømfjord Airport, is located in Kangerlussuaq (Danish name: Søndre Strømfjord), Greenland. It is the only civilian airport in Greenland large enough to handle large airliners. Consequently, it is the international hub for Air Greenland.

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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:03 pm

What about Glasgow Prestwick and Glasgow? ive seen NW /AA divert to GLA!
 
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:07 pm

I've used Sondestrom (the other name is harder to pronounce), Thule if you are way north (along with Fro Bay in Canada - CYFB). I've also used Narsarsuak (UAK/BGBW) for narrow bodies going over, just to get them within the required time (we were using non ETOPS aircraft with only 60 minutes from a suitable)
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:58 pm

Quoting FXRA (Reply 10):
I've used Sondestrom (the other name is harder to pronounce), Thule if you are way north (along with Fro Bay in Canada - CYFB). I've also used Narsarsuak (UAK/BGBW) for narrow bodies going over, just to get them within the required time (we were using non ETOPS aircraft with only 60 minutes from a suitable)

SAS used to take their DC8-series-60 direct from Copenhagen into Narsarsuaq so the runway has some potential though it is not that extremely long. I seem to remember the cockpit-crews had to be specifically certified to fly DC-8-60-ies into that airport with captain in control, no landings nor take-off by FO.
 
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting FXRA (Reply 10):
I've used Sondestrom (the other name is harder to pronounce),

The other (official inuit) name Kangerlussuaq is roughly pronounced as Kanger-loo-soo-ack.


How about this one in Northern Quebec: Kangiqsuallujjuaq. The village's english name is George River.

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Thule Air Base (THU) features a 9997 ft runway, but I am not sure if it would be open to commercial diversions.

It would be in the event of an emergency. Every now and then First Air and Cdn. North have done commerical-military charters up to THU.

Churchill Manitoba can handle widebody diversions. AF diverted there a couple of years ago, except YYQ didn't have any ground equipment (i.e airstairs) capable of handling a B772. The emergency slides had to be deployed in order for the pax to deplane. I wonder if the ground equipment problem there has been fixed?
 
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:42 am

For aircraft flying from Europe to the eastern US and Canada, no airport in Greenland is needed as long as they have at least 138-minute ETOPS and the other alternates (KEF, BDA, Azores, SNN, Newfoundland) are available.
 
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:43 am

NARSSARSSUAQ, GREENLAND (DENMARK) - BGBW
KEFLAVIK, ICELAND - BIFK
GOOSE BAY, NEWFOUNDLAND, CANADA - CYYR
STORNOWAY, SCOTLAND, UK - EGPO

ETOPS isn't just over water. You need ETOPS over land also. You have to be within your ETOPS limitation (90, 120, 180 mins, etc) of any airport regardless of geography. Twins normally come certified with a 60 min limit. ETOPS extends that beyond 60 mins.
 
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting AVIATOR27 (Reply 14):
KEFLAVIK, ICELAND - BIFK

That's actually BIKF.
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Thule Air Base (THU) features a 9997 ft runway, but I am not sure if it would be open to commercial diversions.
-HT



Quoting YOW (Reply 12):
It would be in the event of an emergency. Every now and then First Air and Cdn. North have done commerical-military charters up to THU.

Keep in mind Thule/Qaanaaq is VERY VERY far north, out of any sort of emergency diversion zone for most Europe-USA/Canada flights (except maybe SEA-CPH) types of flights. Most flights that even pass over Greenland pass over the very southern tip (which is absolutely beautiful from the sky, I must say)

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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 16):
Europe-USA/Canada flights (except maybe SEA-CPH)

Actually the flight from CPH to SEA usually flies further north than the eastbound flight ...

Quoting SW733 (Reply 16):
Greenland pass over the very southern tip (which is absolutely beautiful from the sky, I must say)

Copy that !
I have had stunning views of Greenland on flights from FRA/MUC to LAX !
Clear views of glaciers reaching fjords and subsequently numerous icebergs in the water !
I'll need to dig for some pictures of this ...
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RE: North Atlantic Diversion Airports

Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 17):
Copy that !
I have had stunning views of Greenland on flights from FRA/MUC to LAX !
Clear views of glaciers reaching fjords and subsequently numerous icebergs in the water !
I'll need to dig for some pictures of this ...

Last time I saw Greenland with any clear view was January when I flew DUB-ORD...the pilot said if you look out the right side window, you can see Greenland for the next 15 minutes, and all I thought was "there's no Greeland, just clouds..." until I noticed the "clouds" had mountain peaks. Beautiful! I would love to go, my grandpa was stationed there during WWq...is it true Air Greenland is starting flights to BWI in May 2007?