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Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:58 pm

I did a search for this topic because I know my question has been answered here before, but I could not find it, so nobody freak out.

What is the age of Delta's oldest 737-200 currently in service?
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:36 pm

Frequentflykid,

As of the beginning of August, I believe it's N303DL (c/n 23075), delivered to Delta on 22/12/1983.


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RE: Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting Titch (Reply 1):
Frequentflykid,

As of the beginning of August, I believe it's N303DL (c/n 23075), delivered to Delta on 22/12/1983.

Younger than the oldest 757 they have in service I believe...
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:41 pm

Thanks for the info. If I recall, weren't some of the DL 732's delivered new in the late 80's?
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Frequentflykid (Reply 3):
Thanks for the info. If I recall, weren't some of the DL 732's delivered new in the late 80's?

DL received their last 737-200 on 7/29/87.

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 2):
Younger than the oldest 757 they have in service I believe...

Correct, their first 757-200 was delivered on 11/5/84.
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RE: Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting Frequentflykid (Reply 3):
Thanks for the info. If I recall, weren't some of the DL 732's delivered new in the late 80's?

IIRC, they had about 30 new ones (leased) come into their fleet back then, back when they were building up their DFW up after Braniff v1.0 went under in 1982.
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RE: Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:39 pm

The interesting thing is that the 732s still in service provide a pretty good cross section of the age of the fleet. It's not as though they've retired the oldest ones and are flying the youngest ones around. 303DL is one of the oldest; 373DL, 375DL, and 376DL (all still in service) are some of the newest.
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RE: Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:43 pm

Is there still a website with all this information?
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Frequentflykid (Reply 7):
Is there still a website with all this information?

airfleets.net can be your friend, though it is not always completely up to date.
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RE: Delta 737-200

Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
The interesting thing is that the 732s still in service provide a pretty good cross section of the age of the fleet. It's not as though they've retired the oldest ones and are flying the youngest ones around. 303DL is one of the oldest; 373DL, 375DL, and 376DL (all still in service) are some of the newest.

I think too though when people think of the 732 they think they are so much older (because of the technology), even though they are all as old or in some cases younger then the 757's on the property at DL.
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:18 am

Hi,
Is there a particular route served by the type? Or are the planes dispatched "randomly" everywhere in the States?

I would love to fly this vintage bird with DL, so ...

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RE: Delta 737-200

Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:26 pm

Can anyone tell me how many of the 732's are going to VCV on Friday? I checked some numbers today and alot of them are taking off for VCV. Is this all of them across the system? I heard that CVG is losing all 732 service Friday also, is that confirmed?
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RE: Delta 737-200

Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 10):
Is there a particular route served by the type? Or are the planes dispatched "randomly" everywhere in the States?

It doesn't necessarily go by "route" but by flight. For example, DL188 ATL-CVG operates as a B767-300ER every day, or 790 CVG-NAS is MD-88. That's just what the flights are scheduled/sold as.

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 11):
I heard that CVG is losing all 732 service Friday also, is that confirmed?

I can't confirm that, although I highly doubt that. I do know that Delta is changing to a fall flight schedule starting Sept 6, with some positioning flights occurring Sept 5. CVG's pushes are highly peaked/compressed (with airport landing capacity being exceeded at certain periods during the day, but only for short periods of time)
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:52 pm

Cessna157,

Thanks for your input. Any idea of a bunch of flight number operated by the type?

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RE: Delta 737-200

Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:57 pm

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 13):
Thanks for your input. Any idea of a bunch of flight number operated by the type?

To my knowledge 737-200 are ICAO stage-2 and should have been phased-out already. Maybe DL found a backdoor to keep 'm a little bit longer but they're definitely a gone'r. They're gone in Europe with Ryanair being about the last operator to switch. Other than Hawaii and Alaska they should already be out of service in the US too. Last year at Mojave there were some 200 parked for scrapping.

ICAO talks already about phasing-out stage-3, which is the bulk of the current world wide fleet with stage-4 coming on-line soon.
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:02 pm

All the DL 737-200 were hushkitted to Stage 3 standards. I doubt in the US we will see a mandatory phase out of Stage 3 compliant aircraft, or modification to meet Stage 4. There are just too many aircraft out there at this time and the industry can not afford to upgrade right now. As it stands now only new aircraft have to meet Stage 4.
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 14):
To my knowledge 737-200 are ICAO stage-2 and should have been phased-out already. Maybe DL found a backdoor to keep 'm a little bit longer but they're definitely a gone'r. They're gone in Europe with Ryanair being about the last operator to switch.

That's because the EU is more strict about noise regulations, unfortunately. When they introduced the new noise rules, it meant the end of most 732, DC-8, 707 and 727 operations, as well as all Russian planes that didn't have newer engines, which essentially meant no more IL-62s, no IL-86s, no TU-134s, no IL-76s, and only certain newer versions of the TU-154, TU-204 and IL-96 being allowed to operate.
In other words, those noise regulations killed the most interesting traffic in Europe. So one can be glad that the US is not so stringent, and that there are still dozens of 732s, 727s, DC-9s and DC-8s gracing their skies, even though their number is going down due to age.
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:14 am

Thanks for the clarification.

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RE: Delta 737-200

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 10):
Is there a particular route served by the type? Or are the planes dispatched "randomly" everywhere in the States?

Check out this thread I started a few months back for someone asking pretty much the same question as you. Download the DL timetable in PDF form and do a search on 732 to find the flights they have now as I'm sure the city pairs have decreased and changed.
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RE: Delta 737-200

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting Cessna157 (Reply 12):
I can't confirm that, although I highly doubt that. I do know that Delta is changing to a fall flight schedule starting Sept 6, with some positioning flights occurring Sept 5. CVG's pushes are highly peaked/compressed (with airport landing capacity being exceeded at certain periods during the day, but only for short periods of time)

732's are done Friday...well since it is past midnight on the east coast - they are done now. Still might be a few left in the air going to where they need to be (as I type) but then that's it....they are done.
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RE: Delta 737-200

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
Correct, their first 757-200 was delivered on 11/5/84.

In that case its not correct. If the First 737-200 was delivered in 1983
then its is older then the oldest 757-200.

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RE: Delta 737-200

Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:02 pm

Well guys, if you want vintage, it don't know how much more vintage this gets, but I caught this at BWI a couple months ago when I worked as a fueler (damn heat haze).

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RE: Delta 737-200

Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:44 pm

Ok Guys ...

And one more time, thanks all for advices regarding the old bird.

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RE: Delta 737-200

Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:28 am

01SEP06...all of DLs B737-200 are going to Victorville(VCV) today.

farewell....

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RE: Delta 737-200

Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 15):
All the DL 737-200 were hushkitted to Stage 3 standards. I doubt in the US we will see a mandatory phase out of Stage 3 compliant aircraft, or modification to meet Stage 4. There are just too many aircraft out there at this time and the industry can not afford to upgrade right now. As it stands now only new aircraft have to meet Stage 4.

A lot of aircraft are chapter/stage 4 compliant, even though they were made well before chapter 4 was considered. CAEP will probably look at a Chapter 3 phaseout in the near future, whether it will be really considered I have no clue, it might just be a quick consideration. If it was proposed and adopted by the ICAO council it would probably apply to the US (the application of the rules is typically similar for US and Europe). If so you will se a retrofit of those Chapter 3 compliant aircraft that are not Chapter 4 compliant if the economics make sense. This is what happened with the Chapter 2 phaseout.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 16):
That's because the EU is more strict about noise regulations, unfortunately. When they introduced the new noise rules, it meant the end of most 732, DC-8, 707 and 727 operations, as well as all Russian planes that didn't have newer engines, which essentially meant no more IL-62s, no IL-86s, no TU-134s, no IL-76s, and only certain newer versions of the TU-154, TU-204 and IL-96 being allowed to operate.

I know that Europe toyed with the idea of banning hushkits, but I don't think much came of that. Chapters 2, 3, and 4 are the same in Europe and the US. I think one of the big reasons that you saw alot of US aircraft get hushkitted and very few in Europe is pure econoics. In the US as long as you were Stage 3 compliant you could opperate, meaning a Stage 3 hushkit with no margin looks the same to the rules as and airplane with a 5 dB margin. In Europe many airports have noise surcharges or even quota limits (e.g. QC at Heathrow). This means that it might be alot more expensive to operate the a/c with a 0 dB margin than the one with a 5 dB margin. This changes the game alot.
 
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RE: Delta 737-200

Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:26 am

Too bad they were retired . I hope they find lives elsewhere. I'm glad I got alot of pics of them in ROC the 3 months they were used to ATL.
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RE: Delta 737-200

Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting Frequentflykid (Thread starter):
What is the age of Delta's oldest 737-200 currently in service?

As of the end of business today, 0 yrs.