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BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:02 am

A rumour that I have seen on another website that is apparently doing the rounds at the moment is that BA are so short of long-haul equipment, that they are considering getting 4 of the former UA 744s to fill the gap between now and the introduction of the next batch of 777s in 2008.

It could be pure gossip, but who knows

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:05 am

I would love this to happen, even if it is just rumours  Smile

May I ask what website you got this info from?

It would make sense so that BA can open up some new routes/frequencies.

It would mean adding PW powered aircraft to the longhaul fleet, of which is currently GE and RR!

What expansion projects would BA need these proposed aircraft for, even if they are just rumours?

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:05 am

It's amazing how many rumors appear on the board where the members like to call this one "kiddiesyappingaboutairplanes.com", or some variation.  Wink
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting Thowman (Thread starter):
A rumour that I have seen on another website that is apparently doing the rounds at the moment is that BA are so short of long-haul equipment, that they are considering getting 4 of the former UA 744s to fill the gap between now and the introduction of the next batch of 777s in 2008.

It could be pure gossip, but who knows

Given that UA's 744's are P&W and BA only use RR's for their 744's, I highly doubt they will add a sub-engine fleet just for four planes...
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
It's amazing how many rumors appear on the board where the members like to call this one "kiddiesyappingaboutairplanes.com", or some variation.

This is the reason I posted this - to see what yapping it would cause.  

Certainly an interesting rumour though.

By the way the source can be seen here on ivegotgoldstatussoyoudbetterkissmyass.com

[Edited 2006-08-31 18:24:21]
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:52 am

It would be a very curious move by BA to do this. The aircraft would be very difficult to integrate into the rest of the fleet, unless they were put on dedicated services - which introduces its own set of problems.
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:56 am

Well glad to see that other sites have some rumours as ridiculous as some of the ones on here  Yeah sure

mmm a subfleet of four 744s with no commonality wit the rest of the fleet. Can't see it somehow.
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:00 am

http://www.speednews.com/listings/jetindex.html

There is an SAA aircraft available with RB211.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Thowman (Reply 4):
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:21 am

I'd be very suprised as well. That said though. there aren't many RR 744's out there, so maybe they have to!

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
It's amazing how many rumors appear on the board where the members like to call this one "kiddiesyappingaboutairplanes.com", or some variation.

Well what else will we talk about? Yes most rumors don't come true, but some do. And sometimes there are shockers like United annoucing service to Kuwait. I have no problem with rumors being posted as long as it points out that they are a rumor.
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 10):
Well what else will we talk about?

I was pointing out the irony in a rumor being bounced around on the same board that has so much disdain for this board. Sorry you missed that.
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:38 am

A two to three year lease with maintenance outsourced would make sense if the price were right.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:39 am

I suppose BA could rip the PWs off and install RB211s while they're gutting the UA interior and installing new interiors and repainting...
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:47 am

Interesting if it did happen. 4 P&W 744 in BA colors; stranger things have happened.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
I was pointing out the irony in a rumor being bounced around on the same board that has so much disdain for this board. Sorry you missed that.

Tiny difference being the rumour originated from 'galley gossip' not just plain idle speculation plucked from the sky  Wink It seemed slightly more informed than that and therefore worth discussing...although still unlikely (for various reasons mentioned), hence the clear opening caveat.

Quoting Thowman (Reply 4):
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Tsk. Bowing will do just fine, there's no need to go that far except on special occasions, you know Big grin  Wink
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting GBOAC (Reply 15):
'galley gossip'

Oh, my very very bad then.  Wink

Quoting GBOAC (Reply 15):
Bowing will do just fine

Just make sure you don't encourage *this* kind of bowing.  butthead  You know how things are so easily misconstrued on the internet!
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
You know how things are so easily misconstrued on the internet!

No, I don't. Please do explain...
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting GBOAC (Reply 17):
No, I don't. Please do explain...

LOLOL, touche.
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting Thowman (Reply 4):
By the way the source can be seen here on ivegotgoldstatussoyoudbetterkissmyass.com

Uhm, no, that's ivegotplatinum-executiveplatinum-premier-1K-UGS-chairmanspreferredmedallionstatussoyoudbetterwashmyfeetlickmybootsANDkissmyass.com
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:47 am

Even if BA does not use P&W 744s they might lease them until they take delivery of new 777s. They could farm out maintenance and only use them between desitnations that can service P&W engines. It would be more expensive, but temporary.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:07 am

BA made the mistake of getting a whole load of odd ball 742's from BCAL when they merged, it was a bit of a disaster, and while the UA 744's probably wouldn't be as bad a problem as the ex BCAL aircrafts, it would still be a bad decision.
So I would be highly surprised if BA were to do that for such a small fleet.

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:27 am

Didn't know that BA had some 777's on order... How many and wich engines?
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 22):
Didn't know that BA had some 777's on order... How many and wich engines?

They have reserved slots for ten 777s for 2008 and 2009 IIRC, a rumour that first appeared on pprune.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:28 am

I wouldn't be surprised. BA needs long haul a/c and these could provide a temporary sub fleet and boost in capacity until the new a/c come online.

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:33 am

Could they be operated and maintained by UA on behalf of BA (in BA colors and configuration) under some type of plane and crew lease arrangement?

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Dakota123 (Reply 25):
Could they be operated and maintained by UA on behalf of BA (in BA colors and configuration) under some type of plane and crew lease arrangement?

If BA wished to wet-lease them, and UA was willing, I do not see why not.

But I am not sure UA wants to (or can afford to, in terms of scheduling) get rid of any of their active 744s. They do have a number of 744s in storage that need their heavy maintenance checks, so that might be the better option for BA, even though their would be an additional cost in time and money to perform the checks. However, as I understand it they strip the interiors and the paint during those checks, and BA would have to do that anyway if they did not wish to fly the current UA interior configuration.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
I suppose BA could rip the PWs off and install RB211s while they're gutting the UA interior and installing new interiors and repainting...

While this is probably technically feasible, would it be cost effective over the long run?
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:48 am

Are the parked 744s the property of UA? I thought they were returned to the leasing company and the leases cancelled?


The only other option for BA might be to get some of their 767s back from QA.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Thowman (Reply 28):
Are the parked 744s the property of UA?

I believe they belong to SS.

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 29):
I believe they belong to SS.

Some formerly parked UA 744s are now in posession of SS, and others.

According to Airfleets.net:

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/United%20Airlines-stored-b747.htm

The 4 parked 744s in UA colors (though not necessarily UA property) are

N172UA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=172UA

N185UA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=185UA

N106UA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=106UA

N192UA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=192UA


If the data at Airfleets is accurate, poor old N185UA has been parked since 2001!
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:01 pm

Not heard anything within BA about this rumour.

I know the most pressing issue at the moment is a shortage of 777 pilots. So much so that the launch date for Calgary is looking a bit fragile. With more 777 pilots required for the BA15 SIN/SYD rumour has it we won't have enough to cover all the 777 flying.

As for the UA 747 rumour.....dunno, anything possible I guess. Just don't imagine BA leasing a 747 though as they place more emphasis on premium seat numbers Vs total seat numbers but I guess if they got a good deal. Might help with the acceleration of the installation of the new CW cabins as well!
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting Monkeyboi (Reply 31):
Might help with the acceleration of the installation of the new CW cabins as well!

It could do, there is not much slack in the operation as it is without the strain of having aircraft down for long periods of time for their refits.
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:51 pm

slightly off topic but why does BA have a 777 fleet with both GE and RR engines?
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting SFORunner (Reply 30):
The 4 parked 744s in UA colors (though not necessarily UA property) are

N172UA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=172UA

N185UA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=185UA

N106UA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=106UA

N192UA

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...192UA

N172UA is going to Eagle Aviation.
So is N176UA and N190UA.

N183UA, N184UA, N186UA, N188UA, N189UA and N191UA went to SS.

Tod
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Thowman (Thread starter):
N172UA is going to Eagle Aviation.
So is N176UA and N190UA.

N183UA, N184UA, N186UA, N188UA, N189UA and N191UA went to SS.

So what IS the deal with poor 185? Anybody know? Certainly curious.

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting Dakota123 (Reply 35):
So what IS the deal with poor 185? Anybody know?

It belongs to Wilmington Trust Co and the last I heard it was still in VCV.


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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:36 am

Not heard a whisper of this within Engineering.
It seems very unlikely in any case, there is no requirement for further 747's.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:30 am

I raelly doubt this will happen.
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:17 pm

I would have thought that BA had more than enough 747, and that it's problem was lack of 777s, for the thinner long haul routes.

With the likes of SQ and EK introducing 773ERs, I wonder if some of their 772ERs and 773As might become available? These would be RR powered too.
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:00 pm

What about PP-VRC and PP-VRD, (VARIG).
 
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 40):
What about PP-VRC and PP-VRD, (VARIG).

I have thought of that myself, given that they would only need a cabin refit. The only issue is that they are A market aircraft which are less suitable for BAs operation.
The remaining 3 A market aircraft can be a bit awkward for scheduling at the moment.
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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 39):
I would have thought that BA had more than enough 747, and that it's problem was lack of 777s, for the thinner long haul routes.



Quoting Monkeyboi (Reply 31):
I know the most pressing issue at the moment is a shortage of 777 pilots. So much so that the launch date for Calgary is looking a bit fragile. With more 777 pilots required for the BA15 SIN/SYD rumour has it we won't have enough to cover all the 777 flying.

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RE: BA To Get Some Former UA 744s Rumour?

Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:15 am

Is that a shortage of long haul pilots full stop, and just those qualified on the 777? If the latter, do they have 747 pilots 'sitting around' who can't fly the 777? And why!!!
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