Robbie86
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SpanAir Expands

Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:35 pm

Madrid, September 1st, 2006.

From the 29th of October Spanair will be starting five new routes in the domestic market, connecting the city of Madrid with Granada, San Sebastián and Almería, as well as Barcelona with Valencia and Granada.

The launch of this expansion plan, designed and directed at the business sector, will allow the Company to move from controlling 25% of the market to 40% in three years, reducing prices on these routes by around 50% and contributing to market growth of more than 75%.

With these new destinations, Spanair will carry over 400,000 extra passengers in 2007, offering a multi-frequency product with exceptional return flight times.

MADRID-GRANADA: First departure time from MAD (07.00)/6 flights daily
BARCELONA-GRANADA: First departure time from BCN (10.00)/4 flights daily
MADRID-ALMERÍA: First departure time from MAD (07.00)/6 flights daily
BARCELONA-VALENCIA: First departure time from BCN (07.15)/6 flights daily
MADRID-SAN SEBASTIÁN: First departure time from MAD (01.15)/4 flights daily


source: sasgroup.net
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:53 pm

How want they archieve this with their existing fleet? Will they buy new planes for their expansion plans ?
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Danny
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:23 pm

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 1):
How want they archieve this with their existing fleet? Will they buy new planes for their expansion plans ?

Perhaps they will get some drops from SAS fleet like it happened before?
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:52 pm

With Easyjet expected to start internal Spanish flights, and possibly FR in the future, plus expansion by other Spanish airlines such as Vueling, its certainly going to get very crowded in the Spanish domestic market
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IberiaA319
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:22 am

On the Madrid-Granada, Madrid-Almeria and Madrid-San Sebatian routes we had an Iberia and/or Air Nostrum monopoly, probably Spanair will succeed with these new flights (using MD82 aircraft).

On the Barcelona-Granada and Barcelona-Valencia routes Vueling is the additional carrier (besides Iberia/Air Nostrum) with a daily flight. These new Spanair flights from Barcelona will be operated with Aebal's Boeing 717.
 
717fan
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:26 pm

Are 4 717's from Aebal enough for all those flights they operate for Spanair?
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:33 pm

This is the tipical day next winter (mid week) Spanair domestic departures from MAD:

La Coruna 4 daily
Alicante 4 daily
Almeria 3 daily
Asturias 3 daily
Barcelona 26 daily
Bilbao 8 daily
Fuerteventura 1 daily
Las Palmas 5 daily
Lanzarote 1 daily
Granada 3 daily
La Palma 1 daily
Ibiza 2 daily
Jerez 4 daily
Malaga 7 daily
Menorca 1 daily
Palma De Mallorca 6 daily
San Sebastia 2 daily
Santiago Compostela 2 daily
Tenerife Sur 1 daily
Tenerife Norte 4 daily
Valencia 6 daily
Vigo 3 daily
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:34 pm

And this is the tipical day next winter (mid week) Spanair domestic departures from BCN:

La Coruna 2 daily
Alicante 4 daily
Asturias 2 daily
Bilbao 4 daily
Las Palmas 1 daily
Granada 2 daily
Ibiza 2 daily
Malaga 5 daily
Madrid 26 daily
Menorca 1 daily
Palma De Majorca 7 daily
Santiago Compostela 1 daily
Siviglia 4 daily
Tenerife Norte 1 daily
Valencia 3 daily
Vigo 2 daily
 
planesarecool
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
its certainly going to get very crowded in the Spanish domestic market

It already is. Spanair, Air Europa, Vueling, Iberia and Air Nostrum are all pretty busy on the domestic flights, and then you have Hapagfly, Air Berlin, Flightline, Iberworld, Futura, Air Madrid and Air Plus Comet operating various different domestic flights. Many of which offer pretty decent fares. Also, Spain has a reasonably good inter-city rail network, which airlines have to compete with. I believe the MAD-BCN route already has around 80 flights in each direction per day.
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:53 pm

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the MD-80 was too big to fly into San Sebastian?
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airblue
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:02 am

San Sebastian runway:

04/22
1754 x 45 meters
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 9):
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the MD-80 was too big to fly into San Sebastian?

They could fly there with the Fokker 100 they wet leased from GirJet.
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting 717fan (Reply 5):
Are 4 717's from Aebal enough for all those flights they operate for Spanair?

The 4 Aebal's Boeing 717 are based in Barcelona and used for these destinations, including the new winter destinations (ex BCN):

Alicante, Granada, Malaga, Menorca, Palma de Mallorca, Santiago de Compostela, Sevilla, Tenerife Norte, Valencia and Zurich.
 
RAFVC10
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 9):
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the MD-80 was too big to fly into San Sebastian?

Iberia used to fly there, in the past, with 727 equipment. I don't think is too big...

Quoting Robbie86 (Thread starter):
MADRID-GRANADA: First departure time from MAD (07.00)/6 flights daily
BARCELONA-GRANADA: First departure time from BCN (10.00)/4 flights daily
MADRID-ALMERÍA: First departure time from MAD (07.00)/6 flights daily
BARCELONA-VALENCIA: First departure time from BCN (07.15)/6 flights daily
MADRID-SAN SEBASTIÁN: First departure time from MAD (01.15)/4 flights daily

Great mistake of Spanair...

- Granada is served by Iberia, Vueling an now Spanair.
- Valencia... only far 350 Kms. Served six times daily with high-speed trains, with DH3's, CRJ's and AT7's and one M87 operated by Iberia and its partner Air Nostrum and now Spanair...
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IberiaA319
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 13):
- Granada is served by Iberia, Vueling an now Spanair.
- Valencia... only far 350 Kms. Served six times daily with high-speed trains, with DH3's, CRJ's and AT7's and one M87 operated by Iberia and its partner Air Nostrum and now Spanair...

That's for the Barcelona routes. Yes I thought the same, especially regarding the BCN-VLC flights, with the Euromed high-speed trains between both cities and the Air Nostrum service as strong competitors.

And I'm wondering if there's enough demand on the Barcelona-Granada route.

On the other hand, there's a lack of competence on the new Madrid routes, and there are no high-speed trains for Almeria, San Sebastian and Granada. As I said above, these will probably succeed.
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:28 am

I really loved Spanair when I flew them last February for the first time. Cabin crew were extremely nice and corteous, just like the ground staff, and the cockpit crew allowed me into the flight deck after the aircraft landed in BCN and pax got off. I really appreciated it and wish them lots and lots of luck.

I think that there is room enough for all the airlines in Spain. Remember that Spain is after all one of the few euro economies that is in a boom mode  Smile

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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 13):
Iberia used to fly there, in the past, with 727 equipment. I don't think is too big...

Iberia currently flies a daily A319 flight to San Sebastian so I don't think an MD-82 would be much of a problem.
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planemanofnz
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:37 am

When will the expand more outside of Spain? How is their Malabo and Dublin routes going?
 
planesarecool
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 17):
When will the expand more outside of Spain?

They operate a lot of charter flights to destinations outside of Spain, dominantly the UK, Ireland and Germany. I believe they also have many scheduled flights to Scandinavia.
 
Sukhoi
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 18):
I believe they also have many scheduled flights to Scandinavia.

Spanair flies from Alicante, Barcelona, Malaga, Madrid and Palma de Mallorca to Copenhagen and Stockholm.
 
thowman
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 16):
Iberia currently flies a daily A319 flight to San Sebastian so I don't think an MD-82 would be much of a problem.

Currently an A319 operates the morning flight and an MD82 the evening return flight to Madrid. The rest are ATRs and Dash 8. I have flown out of there on an MD82, so it's certainly permitted.
 
717fan
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:22 pm

I have heard a rumor that Aebal wants more 717's (ex Jetstar and OA possible) to expand its operations...but I believe when I see it....(this subject was rumored quiet a lot of times in the past years, but lets hope that this time it will be true)
 
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RE: SpanAir Expands

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 15):
I really loved Spanair when I flew them last February for the first time.

I felt the same way after my first Spanair flight in April.

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