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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:46 pm

In Mashhad an airplane in burning. Atl least 60 casualties
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:46 pm

any aircraft details?
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:49 pm

Terrible news. Thoughts with all involved and families.

airevents.de are over there on a tour at the moment to fly the Saha B707 and a few other classics. Lets hope they are safe. Lets also hope from an enthusiasts' pont of view that we have also not lost another Saha B707.
 
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Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 2):
Lets also hope from an enthusiasts' pont of view that we have also not lost another Saha B707.

I hope so. I have fly with B 707 Saha EP-SHE 4 months before crashed...
No news on Irna yet about accident..
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:58 pm

The plane (which is still unknown) was flying Bandar Abbas in Southern Iran.

At least 60 people have lost their lifes, and up to 80 people managed to escape!

Are there direct flights from BadarAbbas to Mashhad, I thought all were via the capital Tehran?

Rob!   

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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:59 pm

Czech news say 80 rescued pax...
 
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http://www.airevents.de/product_info.php?products_id=63
Oh !! Airevents is planning the 707 flight to Masshad today ! Let's all hope they are not involved. Two friends of mine joined the tour, and some airliners.net members. I didn't go because I went to Iran on my own already and flew the 707.
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:03 pm

IRNA :

Iran-Plane-Crash
Plane crash in Mashhad in northeastern Razavi Khorassan Province on Friday left 80 dead.

State TV said on Friday that the Russian-made Tupolev, on route from the southern port city of Bandar Abbas (Hormuzgan Province) to Mashhad, caught fire upon landing as its tyre burst into flames.

Some of the passengers, said to be 140, however, survived the incident, according to the TV report.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:06 pm

Spiegel Online reports it is a Tupolev and that about 80 people got out safe - that is at least some good news.

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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:07 pm

It was a Tupolev arriving in Mashad from Bandar Abbas - I guess that means the guys on the airevents.de trip are safe.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:08 pm

Airevents flies the 707 today Tehran-Masshad and the Tu-154 out tomorrow to Shiraz instead, hope they didn't change the schedule. I can imagine this can spoil the trip but could have been worse for them.
RIP to the people on board.
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:14 pm

Accoridng to the OAG there is a flight on day 5 with T54 , carrier is B9 which is Iran Air Tours
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:16 pm

Flight most likely was B9 945:

BND Bandar Abbas B9 945 Iran Air Tours 10:45 AM 12:45 PM Unknown
 
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Crye me a river
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:26 pm

Confirmed, Tupolev-154.. it scares me when i see how much incidenst involving TU-154 are appearing lately..

Since iran air tours only operates one Tu-154 (if i remember correctly) this should be the plane:



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you corrected the picture before my comment hit the thread. You have better luck than I do. Thanks for the pic.

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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:33 pm

Yikes, the rule of threes seems to hit again...bless the families of those lost, this is horrible news! But thankfully a good number of the people were able to escape, that's at least some good news in all of this! That TU-154 sure is a work horse, and it always surprises me when an accident is in that type of a/c.
 
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Woah, what's wrong with August every year?  Sad
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Quoting MauriceB (Reply 15):
Confirmed, Tupolev-154.. it scares me when i see how much incidenst involving TU-154 are appearing lately..



Quoting SW733 (Reply 17):
That TU-154 sure is a work horse, and it always surprises me when an accident is in that type of a/c.

NOTE: These comments are in general and not specific to this accident.

The reasons for the Tu-154 seeming to be accident prone are not really related to the aircraft itself, but:
- Many frames flown by second tier airlines with less than perfect operational and maintenance procedures.
- Many frames flown in airspace with less than perfect operational procedures.
- Many frames operated at airports with less than perfect operational procedures.
- There are quite a few Tu-154s about.

Quoting DeC (Reply 19):
Woah, what's wrong with August every year?

Statistical fluke. That's all.

Also it's September today.

[Edited 2006-09-01 15:01:45]

[Edited 2006-09-01 15:02:57]

[Edited 2006-09-01 15:08:46]
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Quoting DeC (Reply 18):
Woah, what's wrong with August every year?

I was thinking the same thing... esp after last summer's tragedies  Sad
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:04 pm

I just saw a report on BBC, And the registration shows that it is this very aircraft that caught fire:


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As confirmed on the CNN link.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:15 pm

EP-MCF Seems to be the plane. The picture has been posted above

CNN now has an image of the jet sitting on the runway.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:15 pm

Ohh, this is such a shame!

I have a picture of the aircraft crashed, thanks to BBC:



I think this is a tragic coincidence. Nothing more, just a coincidence and terrible shame that 2 crash within 2 weeks of each other.

Thanks
Mike

EDIT: Just seen the news, apparently 80 dead and 60 escaped. Such a shame. RIP  Sad

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Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:50 pm

According to a German forum the airevent-group is safe and now sitting in Tehran.

All flights in Iran currently cancelled.

Regards,
RJ100
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Quoting RJ100 (Reply 28):
All flights in Iran currently cancelled.

This is such a classic. With practically no information the authorities make a massive kneejerk decision.
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Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 27):

From Baghdad....
Just watched the news from BBC West (BBCw) on satellite. One of the possible causes cited by BBC was the embargo placed on 'critical aircraft parts from the United States'. Hmmmmm that is a Russian aircraft.....gentlemen, if you haven't figured it out yet...BBC is NOT pro American.
 
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Quoting Djw030468 (Reply 30):
Just watched the news from BBC West (BBCw) on satellite. One of the possible causes cited by BBC was the embargo placed on 'critical aircraft parts from the United States'. Hmmmmm that is a Russian aircraft.....gentlemen, if you haven't figured it out yet...BBC is NOT pro American.

Another classic from a news organization. Engage brain before speaking...
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:31 pm

My friend took picture of this plane when he was in Iran few months ago:

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Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:33 pm

Quote from BBC:-

"Iran has a terrible record of airline safety, our correspondent says.

One reason for this is US sanctions which prevent the Iranian government from buying spare parts for their ageing fleet or purchasing new aircraft from major aviation companies in the west, she adds. "

i.) If it's a burst tyre as speculated, surely they can get tyres from outside the U.S.

ii.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was always led to believe the Tupolev is a Russian built aircraft sarcastic , nothing to do with U.S supplied spare parts.

iii.) If U.S supplied spare parts are required, is it therefore the fault of the U.S that the thing crashes?

What a load of boll*cks.
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I can follow their logics... due to the embargo they can't get newer Airbuses or Boeings and are forced to continue with clapped out Tu-154Ms instead.
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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 34):
clapped out Tu-154Ms instead.

And I'm sure our Soviet friends would be delighted to supply them spare parts.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 34):
get newer Airbuses


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Quoting Cumulus (Reply 35):
What's this then? Looks alright to me!

Many of the Iranian A-310s are grounded already due to spares issues.
But of course the sanctions are just a factor, not the reason for a crash. A good pilot should refuse flying an aircraft with faulty tires or below weather minima.
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 22):
again the same sh**ty russian aircraft!

Yeah, what RJ100 said:  sarcastic 

Sunseeker, do you know what caused all the accidents involving the Tu-154? Here are almost 30, hardly any of which could be attributed to the aircraft:
Russian Jet Crashed (by David L Aug 22 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2950460

Quoting Djw030468 (Reply 30):
One of the possible causes cited by BBC was the embargo placed on 'critical aircraft parts from the United States

The BBC are not citing that as a possible cause. They're commenting on aviation safety in Iran.
 
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With some journalists it is always the USA's fault when something bad happens. Russian aircraft are not inherently bad. 727's and 732's have been lost several times in the last couple of years. Are they inherently unsafe? No.
Since it can't be said better than Starlionblue:

"NOTE: These comments are in general and not specific to this accident.

The reasons for the Tu-154 seeming to be accident prone are not really related to the aircraft itself, but:
- Many frames flown by second tier airlines with less than perfect operational and maintenance procedures.
- Many frames flown in airspace with less than perfect operational procedures.
- Many frames operated at airports with less than perfect operational procedures.
- There are quite a few Tu-154s about."
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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 34):
I can follow their logics... due to the embargo they can't get newer Airbuses or Boeings and are forced to continue with clapped out Tu-154Ms instead.

Southwest, Ryanair and Delta are still flying plenty of 732s (at least they were recently). There are loads of 727s still flying. NW flies a large amount of DC-9s These aircraft are the same age or older than most Tu-154. They don't fall out of the sky regularly. My point? Old does not equal unsafe. I refer you to Starrion's Reply 38 which refers to my Replies 19 and 24.
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Quoting MauriceB (Reply 15):
Confirmed, Tupolev-154.. it scares me when i see how much incidenst involving TU-154 are appearing lately..

Then it should scare you to fly Airbus A320s and 737s too, since they've all been involved in as many or more incidents lately. Just not all fatal. Some very fatal (Armenian crash, Helios).

Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 22):
again the same sh**ty russian aircraft!
Good to know some people survived.

Its not who built them initially, its who maintains them. Plenty of 747s have crashed in the past, but do we dare call them "same sh**ty american aircraft"? Frankly, we know that when they're properly maintained, Russian aircraft are extremely tough and built like tanks. This is tragic, but lets stop with the prejudiced comments.
 
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Quoting David L (Reply 37):
Quoting Djw030468 (Reply 30):
One of the possible causes cited by BBC was the embargo placed on 'critical aircraft parts from the United States

The BBC are not citing that as a possible cause. They're commenting on aviation safety in Iran.

NOTE: Not comments about this crash specifically, but about the situation in general.

Davil L makes a good point as always. However, if they don't have the proper spare parts then the plane is unsafe and should be grounded. The reason for the shortage of spare parts should not have an impact on the decision to fly or not. If the aircraft does not fulfil the MEL requirements, the aircraft should not fly. It's a pretty simple.

If the operator and authorities decide to keep the aircraft flying despite not fulfilling MEL requirements, they need to be blamed, not the country that blocks the supply of spare parts.
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Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 39):
Southwest, Ryanair and Delta are still flying plenty of 732s

Hey,

Actually Southwest and Ryanair no longer have B737-200's. The last FR B732 flight was late last year where as the last SWA B732 flight was January 2005.

Anyway there is indeed nothing wrong with the TU-154 aircraft itself. It is the carriers that do not maintain there aircraft properley and as a result a crash will happen. I must say though that the Pulkovo TU-154 crash last week I do not think was MX related but infact a tragic incident.

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Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 42):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 39):
Southwest, Ryanair and Delta are still flying plenty of 732s

Hey,

Actually Southwest and Ryanair no longer have B737-200's. The last FR B732 flight was late last year where as the last SWA B732 flight was January 2005.

I wasn't sure. Good info though.
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As an aside, August is considered to be a highly unlucky month in Russian culture due to a wide variety of historical misfortunes that have occurred during it. RIP Tu-154M passengers!
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:23 am

Russian aircraft aren't shitty. Look at how old they are and the fact that some of the airlines they fly for aren't exactly doing a bunch of preventative maintenance, yet they still fly on. Russian Aerospace has done a lot, the first satelite comes to mind. I would love to pilot a Russian plane! Hey Aeroflot, hire me!!!!
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting DeC (Reply 18):
Woah, what's wrong with August every year?

I think its been the past week:
Comair 191
Cirrus in IND
Glider/Hawker 800 Collision
US Airways at MIA and PIT
Iran Air at Mashhad
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Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 42):
Anyway there is indeed nothing wrong with the TU-154 aircraft itself. It is the carriers that do not maintain there aircraft properley and as a result a crash will happen.

I agree up to a point but when I was collating the causes of the 28 most recent accidents, it occurred to me that not many were caused by faulty maintenance, either. There was a lot of CFIT plus some missiles and bombs, too.

Clearly there have been a lot of Tu-154s lost but hardly ever, if at all, due to build quality and not very often due to poor maintenance.
 
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Quoting Irobertson (Reply 40):
Its not who built them initially, its who maintains them. Plenty of 747s have crashed in the past, but do we dare call them "same sh**ty american aircraft"? Frankly, we know that when they're properly maintained, Russian aircraft are extremely tough and built like tanks. This is tragic, but lets stop with the prejudiced comments.

Not only who maintains them, but the crews that fly them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this waaay too step an AoA for an A300 T/O?


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At least they cannot use the excuse of spare parts boycotts as an excuse in this case.
 
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Have the "news" said what exactly happened? Looks like the aircraft has burn damage but great to hear at least some survived. Was this a regular domestic flight, or could there have been many foreigners?

That was one good-looking Tupolev too, no need to blame the aircraft. The regime could spend more money on making aviation safer, and have these birds in top shape, instead they're spending money on nuclear capability and missiles they don't need.

Quoting Starrion (Reply 38):
With some journalists it is always the USA's fault when something bad happens.

Also, thanks to the news (BBC) & their correspondents for making the unifnormed hate the USA even more. The BBC shsould be blaming Iran's government here.

Long live those Russian birds (in good hands). Who knows, if this had happend to an A320, maybe no one would've survied.
 
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Quoting Afay1 (Reply 44):
As an aside, August is considered to be a highly unlucky month in Russian culture due to a wide variety of historical misfortunes that have occurred during it. RIP Tu-154M passengers!

First of all, it's a statistical fluke.

Secondly, TODAY IS 1 SEPTEMBER!

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