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3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:07 am

Just noticed on Google Earth at Frankfurt International 3 LH 747-400s just after takeoff all lined up a little too close to each other...... scared 
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:10 am

Most likely you are getting 3 shots of the same plane...since photos on Google Earth are not taken at the same time, but at different times.
 
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:17 am

This came up once before--it's the same plane. I think there was a similar quirk at another airport too.
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting Superhub (Reply 1):
Most likely you are getting 3 shots of the same plane...since photos on Google Earth are not taken at the same time, but at different times.

Yes, it seems google uses an imprecise stitching algorithm that puts ghosts of planes and cars and such all over the place.
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:31 am

You missed one of the most popular threads on a.net. Big grin Big grin

See:
Three LH 744 Unusually Close - Google Image (by B747FAN Apr 4 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Quoting Superhub (Reply 1):
Most likely you are getting 3 shots of the same plane...since photos on Google Earth are not taken at the same time, but at different times.

Yes, it seems google uses an imprecise stitching algorithm that puts ghosts of planes and cars and such all over the place.

Nope. Those pictures are Aerial, not Satellite Pictures. Therefore, bordering smaller images have been shot within a tiny time difference from a plane flying above the scene. The same effect can be observed with trains.
 
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 5):
Nope. Those pictures are Aerial, not Satellite Pictures.

That's not right, google earth uses satellite images from sensors such as the Landsat-family, Quickbird or Ikonos for best geometric resolution. Satellite imagery covers the whole planet, time resolution is good (at least one shot a year without clouds should be possible, even in tropical areas) and -that's the biggest pro- is much cheaper than aerial pictures. In addition to that, google can get these scenes completely processed and rectified, means ready-to-use.

Guess the edges of three scenes cover this area at FRA --> Voilá the three 744.
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting A300605R (Reply 6):

Actually, Google Earth uses a mix of both (sat and aerial)
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting A300605R (Reply 6):
That's not right, google earth uses satellite images

You shouldn't be correcting people on things you obviously don't know about. As A319114 said, there is a mix of both types of photography, and this looks to be aerial.

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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting A319114 (Reply 7):
Actually, Google Earth uses a mix of both (sat and aerial)

Ok, accepted. Learning is a never ending process...

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
You shouldn't be correcting people on things you obviously don't know about.

If I had known this better, I wouldn't have corrected Dazeflight. I haven't known yet that google also uses aerial photos, so I was wrong here.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
and this looks to be aerial.

What's your argumentation? Why does it look to be aerial?
This looks to be a mosaiced precision-Ikonos product to me: 4 m multispectral 8 bit with 0.2 mb data per square km. Taken at three different times as the revision time is appr. 3 days at 40° lat. Ikonos crosses FRA every three days at the same time of day.
But we had this diskussion in another thread.
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:16 am

Has someone ever seen a plane inflight with contrail? I'm always searching for something like that but without succes. Is it possible to see it or is the cam on the satellite focused on the ground?

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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting LH450 (Reply 10):
Has someone ever seen a plane inflight with contrail? I'm always searching for something like that but without succes. Is it possible to see it or is the cam on the satellite focused on the ground?

Yes, many. Here's a link to a kmz file with all of the known aircraft in flight.

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat....0/Number/360116/an/0/page/0#360116

Quoting A300605R (Reply 9):
This looks to be a mosaiced precision-Ikonos product to me: 4 m multispectral 8 bit with 0.2 mb data per square km. Taken at three different times as the revision time is appr. 3 days at 40° lat. Ikonos crosses FRA every three days at the same time of day.

If you're that confident, I'll take your word for it.

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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 11):
Yes, many. Here's a link to a kmz file with all of the known aircraft in flight.

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat....60116

Yes true, this placemark is available in Google Earth's forum (once again):

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat....0/Number/360116/an/0/page/0#360116

There's a specific thread about contrails, also with a placemark of each:

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthrea...php/Cat/0/Number/423047/page//vc/1
 
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting LH450 (Reply 10):
Is it possible to see it or is the cam on the satellite focused on the ground?

Earth observing satellites usually fly in orbits of about 700-800 km. The higher the spatial resolution (area covered by one pixel) is, the lower usually is the Swath width (Area covered by one shot). I dont' think, that a sensor with high spatial resolution (like the mentioned Ikonos (1-4 m)) will catch an airplane inflight over the atlantic or somewhere as the satellite moves around the globe. It should need coincidence to catch an airplane inside the (small) swath.

Sensors with "low resolution" like Modis (250m-1km) can catch contrails, but no airplanes. Modis is used to understand the atmosphere, and as a part of it the influences of contrails on our climate.

Contrails over Lake Superior ( OrbView-2/SeaWiFS, Visualization Date
2000-10-09)
http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/1364/S2000283182849_md.jpg

Contrails over New Foundland (Sensor as above, Vis. Date 1999-05-04)
http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/1213/S1999124155610.jpg

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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 11):

I can't proof it, it's just my thought on this.
But I'm familiar with Remote Sensing a little...

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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 4):
Three LH 744 Unusually Close - Google Image



Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter):
3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Gee, I dunno how you could miss THAT in a search....
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RE: 3 LH 744 Takeoff In Line - Google Earth

Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:05 am

Thank you! All the links are very good. I've always searched for something like that! Contrails have always impressed me- god knows why.

@A300605R: Do you have more websites showing contrail-pics over Europe/Germany? I think there are existing pictures taken from NOAA satellite with a very high resolution!

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