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A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:57 am

Hi fellow A.netters,

I am currently writing on the night of the 2nd to 3rd of September more or less the time 8 years after the SR111 crash occured not far from Peggy's Cove in Canada .
I knew personally one of the people on board. After having read the crash report, I found it even more terrible hoe the passengers must have suffered before the crash. This is a tribute for all the 229 victims of SR 111 crash that went from JFK to GVA.
May you always be remebered and may god bless you all.
God bless you Isabelle !
R.I.P

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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:01 am

Well, we've noticed this today while spotting... These 8 years have passed so fast, unbelievable!

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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Hi fellow A.netters,

I am currently writing on the night of the 2nd to 3rd of September more or less the time 8 years after the SR111 crash occured not far from Peggy's Cove in Canada .
I knew personally one of the people on board. After having read the crash report, I found it even more terrible hoe the passengers must have suffered before the crash. This is a tribute for all the 229 victims of SR 111 crash that went from JFK to GVA.
May you always be remebered and may god bless you all.
God bless you Isabelle !
R.I.P

I second that...... have known Mr. Zimmermann, I can not believe it is already
8 years........

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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:31 am

I cannot believe it has been that long already. I remember that day like it was yesterday. I've written this in like 20 threads, so if any of you have heard this already, just skip my post.

I was on GVA-JFK that day (SR110, HB-IWF) and we landed at JFK in the mid-afternoon. We went home, and I turned on the television to watch a baseball game. Halfway through the game, at around 10:30 or 11:00, the interrupted the broadcast to tell us the preliminary details of the accident. I was shocked. I'd been on the doomed aircraft just a few hours before. I was so close to that happening to me, and that has haunted me ever since.

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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:18 am

OMG ANITIX87!!! I can imagine what a shock that must be to know that the aircraft u just came in crashed a couple of hrs later!!! Anyway hope they RIP still today I feel very sad for the people involved!

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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:50 am

I think it was last Thanksgiving...I was helping the Ops Agent board a Southwest flight from SAT to BWI. We were delayed due to some kind of problem, maybe weather.

I boarded a really sweat lady in a wheelchair and her husband and we got talking. She told me that she had four sons and that she lost her youngest on Flight 111. She said his name was Patrick and he was her baby. The last name on her boarding pass was Bell. Her son was on his fourth trip to CH but I forget the nature of his work. Something new that he was doing and was real excited about.

She had tears in her eyes as we talked and she held my hand. She said she had no problem waiting for however long the flight was delayed to be sure it was safe to go. A real sweet lady.

When I got home that night I found Patrick Bell's name on the passenger list of Flight 111.

I pray that all of the families affected have found peace.
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:42 pm

Apparently Tennis player Marc Rosset was supposed to catch that flight but missed it. I don't know if that was just to draw attention or if things were really like that. If so was the case imagine how shocking that must be.
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:55 pm

I was shocked that day too. May they RIP.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 3):
I was on GVA-JFK that day (SR110, HB-IWF) and we landed at JFK in the mid-afternoon. We went home, and I turned on the television to watch a baseball game. Halfway through the game, at around 10:30 or 11:00, the interrupted the broadcast to tell us the preliminary details of the accident. I was shocked. I'd been on the doomed aircraft just a few hours before. I was so close to that happening to me, and that has haunted me ever since.

It would haunt me too.

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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 3):
I was on GVA-JFK that day (SR110, HB-IWF) and we landed at JFK in the mid-afternoon. We went home, and I turned on the television to watch a baseball game. Halfway through the game, at around 10:30 or 11:00, the interrupted the broadcast to tell us the preliminary details of the accident. I was shocked. I'd been on the doomed aircraft just a few hours before. I was so close to that happening to me, and that has haunted me ever since.

You are very, very lucky and I'm really happy for you!

A young Serbian girl from Belgrade was on the doomed SR111 and perished on that sad night.
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 6):
Apparently Tennis player Marc Rosset was supposed to catch that flight but missed it. I don't know if that was just to draw attention or if things were really like that. If so was the case imagine how shocking that must be.

Well, tennis players do fly a lot and it is very possible. Have in mind that US Open was held at that time and he probably lost matches and tried to catch an early connection home.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 8):
A young Serbian girl from Belgrade was on the doomed SR111 and perished on that sad night.

Yes, I remember this. She was an expert working for the UN, if I remember correctly.
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 9):
Well, tennis players do fly a lot and it is very possible. Have in mind that US Open was held at that time and he probably lost matches and tried to catch an early connection home.

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That is correct, also ever considered SR110............. quite freaky, even after
8 years I still have a hard time with that disaster
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:09 am

Speaking of Marc Rosset, he lost in first round then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rosset
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:59 am

I feel so sad for what happened to SR111. I watched its documentary in the Discovery Channel and it leaved me in tears afterwards.  crying 
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:13 am

This is very sad and my heart goes out to all those lost on that tragic evening.
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:40 am

If you haven't seen the memorial plaque in Peggy's Cove I have uploaded some pictures I took of it last year. I happened upon it by accident. I took a road trip from Brooklyn, NY up to Cape Breton, NS and stopped by Peggy's Cove to catch the scenery. I obviously discovered that this is where Swissair Flight 111 crashed. The memorial is quite exquisite. It recognizes the tragedy of death while surrounding you in serene and breath taking scenery.


[Edited 2006-09-03 20:40:53]
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:32 am

God bless them.
I'm curious as to who Isabelle is and how you felt about her.
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:45 am

Never forget.

Forever remember.
 
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
. After having read the crash report, I found it even more terrible hoe the passengers must have suffered before the crash.

Where can I find this?
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Thebry (Reply 17):
Where can I find this?

My Girlfriend's father is adoctor who had during a few years been in charge of doing independent medical checkups for military pand civilian pilots. Hence he has access to the reports of the Swiss Federal air department. These go from any emergency landing that had to occur to a crash passing by technical problems.

Regards
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 18):
Quoting Thebry (Reply 17):Where can I find this?
My Girlfriend's father is adoctor who had during a few years been in charge of doing independent medical checkups for military pand civilian pilots. Hence he has access to the reports of the Swiss Federal air department. These go from any emergency landing that had to occur to a crash passing by technical problems.

I was asking more out of curiosity -- I remember the crash, but can't recall what the circumstances were. Thought there might be a link someplace explaining it. I'll just resort to Google. Thanks.
 
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:32 am

This site answered my questions... good site:

www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/swissair/swissair_flash.html
 
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 3):
I was on GVA-JFK that day (SR110, HB-IWF) and we landed at JFK in the mid-afternoon. We went home, and I turned on the television to watch a baseball game. Halfway through the game, at around 10:30 or 11:00, the interrupted the broadcast to tell us the preliminary details of the accident. I was shocked. I'd been on the doomed aircraft just a few hours before. I was so close to that happening to me, and that has haunted me ever since.

TIS

Pretty amazing story, you are a very lucky man.


I second all prayers and thoughts that have gone out in this thread already, 8 years have passed but to some it feels like yesterday. God bless you all.
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:27 am

My thoughts and prayers go along with all others. Thanks for the above link. The information is very tastefully and thoughtfully presented.
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:37 am

A nice girl from my high school in Philadelphia died on 111. She was a very bright woman and was on her way to some gifted high school program in Geneva. She had such a wonderful future to look forward to.

My thoughts are with Tara.

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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:39 am

These last words from SR 111 ATC communications are chilling:

SWR111 1:24:45.1 Swissair one eleven heavy is declaring emergency
1:24:46.4 [Second voice overlap] (Roger) we are between uh twelve and five thousand feet we are declaring emergency now at ah time ah zero one two four. [Possible intercom sound toward the end of the transmission.]
HZ 1:24:56.0 Roger.
SWR111 1:24:56.5 Eleven heavy we starting dump now we have to land immediate.
HZ 1:25:00.7 Swissair one eleven just a couple of miles I'll be right with you.
SWR111 1:25:04.1 Roger. [Sound - Probable Autopilot disconnect warbler]
SWR111 1:25:05.4 And we are declaring emergency now Swissair one eleven.


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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Thebry (Reply 17):
Where can I find this?

Go to tsb.gc.ca, very detailed and good report which should answer most of the questions.................. if you have the time to read it all.......
 
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:49 am

I too visited the SR111 memorial whilst I was in Nova Scotia in late 2003, not long after the 5 year anniversary of the accident - the memorial was very simple and it's an emotional place, and the silence and tranquility of Peggy's Cove made it even more so - I simply couldn't comprehend 229 people losing their lives in such a beautiful part of the world.

Rest in peace.
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
After having read the crash report, I found it even more terrible hoe the passengers must have suffered before the crash.

The dramatized documentairy about Swissair 111 which is regularly broadcasted by National Geographic suggests that the cabin wasn't aware of the problems til the crash or very close to the crash. I actually hope for the victims that was how it went, these last minutes must otherwise be horrible.
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:05 pm

Hi!

I will never forget that day! I was just recovering from a tour around USA with my wife and two young kids ( at that time ), we started on the 31st. July flying from FAO and then we visited London, Vermont, Seattle, California and Manhattan. One of the highlights was infact flying a redeye flight from LAX to JFK arriving early in the morning there. We saw Manhattan waking up and then we had the chance to visit the Empire State Building, then the Statue of Liberty and finnally the Twin Towers, all this in some hours until we headed back to JFK and got our BA flight to LGW. When we were heading to JFK by taxi all the family was in such high spirits, we had such a great trip around USA and the last day at Manhattan was so perfect....we were very very happy. Then I remember that during our BA flight over the Atlantic I was so pleased flying for the first time in a BA 767-300, the noise of those RRoyce engines were so unique, we had the first row on coach with some extra space, everything was just nice!!! Four days latter I was connecting to the Internet and I saw the tragic news about SR111, and then suddenly I started to rewind myself 4 days back remembering all those great moments, passing the same route that SR111 did 4 days earlier and trying to "get" in SR111 passengers minds, how many families or people were at that time also remembering what they did until they were heading back on flight SR111! It was a very strange feeling, very strange! Here was I, back home safe with my family, really happy with all that we achieved and there were families, relatives, friends sad, crying for those that perished in flight SR111. In December 2002 I flew with my family to LAX from ZRH on a SWISS MD11, in a lapse of seconds the SR111 tragedy came to my mind, I was about to fly the MD11, the same model involved and the question came - "Can something like SR111 happen again?" - after 12:45 hours of flight I had one of the most memorable flights of my like!!!
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:53 pm

Every Crash is sad, but the Swissair Crash was more emotional for me because at that time i only have flown Swissair my whole life. Also it was the beginning when Swissair started to have problems.
My thoughts are still with the family's and victims of this tragedy.
Let's hope something like this happen never more.

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Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:05 pm

DEC
 
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Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting Thebry (Reply 20):
This site answered my questions... good site:

www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/swissair/s....html

Excellent link! thanks a lot
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:35 pm

I remember this accident well. This must have been a horrible situation for those on board, with a fire leading to this flight's end. I had just flown on UA EWR-SLC for vacation on an early evening flight, and shortly after checking into my motel in Salt Lake City, about 9:30 pm there, I turned on the TV and saw the breaking news on this horrible accident.
It was a sad end for a MD-11, but the legacy of the crash of SR-111 is the attention to some critical problems with aircraft wiring systems and the materials used on this model aircraft as well others. The changes brought by the investigation of this accident has probably saved many lives and saved many lives since then.
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 27):
The dramatized documentairy about Swissair 111 which is regularly broadcasted by National Geographic suggests that the cabin wasn't aware of the problems til the crash or very close to the crash. I actually hope for the victims that was how it went, these last minutes must otherwise be horrible.

 checkmark   checkmark 

If you read the TSB report it will give you that conclusion....... however it seams in the cockpit was shear terror..........

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 32):
but the legacy of the crash of SR-111 is the attention to some critical problems with aircraft wiring systems and the materials used on this model aircraft as well others. The changes brought by the investigation of this accident has probably saved many lives and saved many lives since then.

Could not agree more
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:26 am

ANITTIX87 I believe that the GVA to JFK flight does not return to Geneva. It operates to Zurich and the Zurich to JFK aircraft is used for JFK to GVA. I checked this once.

Apparently the Co pilot wanted to land as quickly as possible but the Captain wanted to follow the book and wasted a lot of time checking this and that.

The passengers were eating their meals. The lights were switched off and the hostesses collected the trays with torches in the dark.

[Edited 2006-09-04 19:54:57]
 
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:35 am

yes this was shocking news then. couldn't believe that this was happening to
SR. well I know that those people RIP, but its the way they had to leave this earth.

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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:30 am

I remember one of the victim's family wanted to sue Boeing. For what? boggled 

Boeing had nothing to do with the MD-11's design; not to mention that the IFE system and the messing up of the wiring was the fault of the company Swissair hired to install the IFE.
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:41 am

I was working at ZRH at the time and remember well. It was a bad day at work.

I hope that much was learned from that accident to prevent a similar one.
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:17 am

Hey guys

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 18):
Hence he has access to the reports of the Swiss Federal air department

Actually they are all available on the Internet Braulio!

Quoting Malmoaviation (Reply 16):


Where can I find this?

Here! In english: http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/1762_en (351 pages, 32Mb)
And in french: http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/1762_fr (386 pages, 32Mb)

I remember waking up on the morning of september 3rd 1998, and thinking to myself: "Swissair? No, that's impossible!".
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RE: A Tribute To The Victims Of Swissair 111

Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 36):
I remember one of the victim's family wanted to sue Boeing. For what?

Boeing had nothing to do with the MD-11's design; not to mention that the IFE system and the messing up of the wiring was the fault of the company Swissair hired to install the IFE.

I know the tsbc report is quite big but it will answer probably 95% of all the questions like the IFE was a part of the whole disaster, IIRC Boeing owed MD back in 98 so therefore perhaps liable....... never less it is nice to see that still so many people remember SR111

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 37):
I was working at ZRH at the time and remember well. It was a bad day at work.

I was working at YYZ that night and we got the bad news from our friends from YHZ..............