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Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:34 am

Could Boeing or Airbus passenger widebody aircraft be ordered without IFE? We all know that many narrowbodies lack IFE. All DC-9 series aircraft in service lack IFE (except for a few MD-87s and MD-90s). More than half of the 737 Classics lack IFE. The 757 was the first narrowbody to widely feature IFE with many airlines, followed by the A320 series and the 737NG. However, I do not know of any airlines who operate Boeing or Airbus widebodies without IFE. Are widebodies even offered without IFE?

FYI, I think it is a good thing that all widebodies have IFE. Imagine being on a long flight on a 777-200LR without IFE. If IFE is standard on widebody aircraft, I think that Boeing should also make IFE standard on the 737RS.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Could Boeing or Airbus passenger widebody aircraft be ordered without IFE?

I guess it is all up to the airlines what they want on board regarding IFE. As we all know LH for example does not have PTVs in economy.
 
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:17 pm

It is largely down to airline choice, rather than the manufacturer. It is highly likely that leased aircraft will have to have some form of IFE to make it easier for the leasing company to re lease the aircraft if required. Also many long haul airlines use the IFE system as a marketing point and a way of differentiating sevice from their competitors, so there would be no reason not to have it.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:24 pm

IFE is part of the standard catalogue for all aircraft I guess, you can easily have AVOD on an A319 if you wan.

However, during option selection process, it is up to the airline to decide what they want.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
If IFE is standard on widebody aircraft, I think that Boeing should also make IFE standard on the 737RS.

I remember reading a quote from Mr.Woehrl the former owner of DBA that he made on a convention for airline interior.
He was shown some PTVs and a DBA manager said that they should get these.
The reply of Woehrl was something like:"What kind of movie are you supposed to watch on a 30-45 min flight ? PTVs would only cause extra weight and a bigger fuel consumption on these flights and therefore more expensive tickets."
Many airlines that will use the 737RS will be low cost carrier that fly routes between 30-60 Min. They have no need for IFE. There are now A320s and 737s that have IFE but these are mostly used with holiday airlines. Airlines such as Easyjet and Ryanair have no need for it...maybe Ryanair but they would show only commercials.......
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
I remember reading a quote from Mr.Woehrl the former owner of DBA that he made on a convention for airline interior.
He was shown some PTVs and a DBA manager said that they should get these.
The reply of Woehrl was something like:"What kind of movie are you supposed to watch on a 30-45 min flight ? PTVs would only cause extra weight and a bigger fuel consumption on these flights and therefore more expensive tickets."
Many airlines that will use the 737RS will be low cost carrier that fly routes between 30-60 Min. They have no need for IFE. There are now A320s and 737s that have IFE but these are mostly used with holiday airlines. Airlines such as Easyjet and Ryanair have no need for it...maybe Ryanair but they would show only commercials.......

An alternative to movies would be live TV. And the IFE offered doesn't have to be PTVs. It could be ceiling-mounted LCD screens instead. On very short flights, Airshow can be shown.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:13 am

IFE is a complete customer option. About the only thing that the manufacture installs in the interior of the plane is the overhead compartments. Pretty much everything else is made by a third party company and is customized by the airline. Now some IFE is installed by the manufacture such as overhead screens. LCD screens became an option in the mid 90s on all Boeing narrowbodies. The CRT screens were an option on 757s. I don't know if any 757 operators are out there without any IFE option, but Boeing would make the plane that way if the customer wanted to save the weight.

There are plenty of recently built widebodies that have no PTVs, but projection or LCD screens are pretty much standard options. Some airlines like Lufthansa don't install PTVs in economy, but they still have them in first and business class. However there are some recently built 777s and 747s that have no PTVs at all and serve short haul routes in Asia.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I don't know if any 757 operators are out there without any IFE option, but Boeing would make the plane that way if the customer wanted to save the weight.

Northwest doesn't have IFE on their 757s, but I do believe that they are equipped with the system. I never flown on NW, but I know their 757-300s are equipped with IFE, as they are used on Hawaii flights. I think I have heard somewhere the 757-200s are also equipped with IFE, but not used.
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:43 am

Well this thread here talks about widebodies and IFE..

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2484667

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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 8):
Well this thread here talks about widebodies and IFE..

Oh dear, dear, dear, but this thread is about whether they can be ordered without IFE. I'm sure it's a completely different thing, yes?  Big grin
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Could Boeing or Airbus passenger widebody aircraft be ordered without IFE?

Yes, IFE is an airlines option, not a manufatures option.

I'm yet to understand what the whole IFE craze is all about. I really don't get it..
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Are widebodies even offered without IFE?

I gotta ask, do you fly just to watch the IFE? You really are focused on the whole IFE issue, be it PTVs, Inflight television, etc? Its almost as if you fear getting onto an airplane that does not offer IFE. As a fellow airline nut (that also appreciates a good IFE system especially on longer flights), I really dont understand your emphasis on the IFE issue.....if an airplane does not have PTVS or has no IFE whatsoever, read a book, magazine or newspaper, take a nap, or have a chat with your seat mate. I am not being critical, I am just trying to understand your point of view.

I have a question......inflight internet access is supposed to be the "next big thing" as far as IFE (the ability to go on-line and entertain yourself)...do you agree?
 
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RE: Boeing/Airbus Widebodies Without IFE?

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Imagine being on a long flight on a 777-200LR without IFE.

Does your whole life revolve around IFE? What do you do with your time when you are not on an aircraft. Search for the nearest TV or video game?Believe me, the vast majority of passengers could care less about IFE.