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Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:41 am

I don't know if this has been discussed, but CO has a page on where website, where people can sign a petition, supporting CO's bid with the DOT for flights to PVG. Do US carriers often ask passengers for such support through online petitions?

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Though they're not alone with doing such things I notice.
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:46 am

They did list a year or two ago for service to China as well... I'm sure the other airlines followed suit as it's a big deal to be awarded a route like this...

My question is "how much attention does the government pay to these online petitions in awarding routes?"
 
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:47 am

If cal does not get this route they will fly somewhere else in the winter of 07.
 
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:38 am

Does anyone know WHEN they announce who gets the new route??
 
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:55 am

Can somebody explain why CO and AA are doing this in the first place? Is there some ban on US airlines flying to China?
Thanks,

Kris
 
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 4):
Can somebody explain why CO and AA are doing this in the first place? Is there some ban on US airlines flying to China?
Thanks,

Kris

Not a ban, but a bilateral agreement between the two governments. The current bilateral allows a US carrier, which already has service to China, to (soon) operate an additional route. Those current carriers are UA, NW, AA and CO.

This latest route authority is just another step in allowing increased flights between the two countries.
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:25 pm

I just received the following e mail:


"Help Continental Secure New Shanghai Gateway
Let us be your carrier to Shanghai.
We're asking for your help in supporting our proposed new route from New York/Newark to Shanghai, China, beginning spring 2007. Competition is strong with only one U.S. airline able to secure a daily flight to and from China next year.

Show your support for Continental by signing your name to our electronic petition* that will be submitted to the U.S. Department of Transportation. The DOT will base its decision on multiple factors including community support and the amount of business the new route will generate.

Plus, don't forget to tell your family, friends and colleagues about the prospect for Continental's new flight to China."
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:05 am

Would this proposed Shanghai access by CO be served via EWR or IAD? And for AA, would that be via ORD or DFW? I would love to see CO get it, especially with their excellent connecting services and huge base of customers in the NY City metro area if they operated out of EWR.
 
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:13 am

I believe service would be from EWR on a 777.

Should CO fail to win the route does anyone know what alternate routes are being considered, if any?
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 1):
My question is "how much attention does the government pay to these online petitions in awarding routes?"

I can assure you that the DOT pays ZERO attention to this, but it makes the airlines and its employees feel engaged.

Quoting JEdward (Reply 8):
Should CO fail to win the route does anyone know what alternate routes are being considered, if any?

American has applied for DFW-PEK; UA for IAD-PEK, and NW for DTW-PVG
 
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
Would this proposed Shanghai access by CO be served via EWR or IAD?

Sorry, but CO has no reason to serve from IAD. It is a small station for CO. It would be run out of EWR. It's the only thing that would make sense. And, in fact, that's what the application is for: EWR-PVG.
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:20 am

Continental Airlines Aims to Start New York/Newark-Shanghai Flights in 2007
Thursday September 7, 11:44 am ET


NEW YORK, Sept. 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL - News) today said that its application to serve the largest U.S.-China market without nonstop service -- New York/Newark-Shanghai -- should be approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation because the airline has made the best case for the route award.



The New York/Newark-Shanghai market is nearly five times larger than the Dallas/Fort Worth-Beijing market, which American proposes to serve. The New York/Newark-Shanghai market is nearly as large as the combined Washington, D.C.-Beijing and Detroit-Shanghai markets combined. The two airlines currently dominating U.S.-China air travel, United and Northwest, propose to serve these routes.

Continental's proposed flight from Newark Liberty International Airport would conveniently link metropolitan New York City with China's center for finance and trade.

The show of support the airline is receiving from all interested parties has been impressive. Continental's application is being endorsed by area residents, airline passengers across the U.S., the airline's corporate and agency partners, government supporters, the airline's employees and loyal OnePass members.

At a news conference in Lower Manhattan's Chinatown, Continental asked its stakeholders to continue to show support for its route application to the DOT. Those who wish to endorse Continental's planned flight to Shanghai can do so easily via a special page on continental.com -- look for the "Support our Shanghai bid" link on the home page.

Continental's proposal should be selected by DOT for many additional reasons:


* There are no nonstop flights to Shanghai -- China's largest city --
from anywhere in the Northeast despite the large Northeast-China
market.

* The New York/New Jersey area has a far larger population of Chinese-
Americans than any of the other cities seeking a new China route.

* Continental's route application has already received the endorsement
of numerous supporters, including:
- Port Authority of New York & New Jersey
- The New Jersey Regional Business Partnership
- New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine
- The Manhattan Chamber of Commerce
- Many influential leaders in the New York/New Jersey Chinese
community, such as Wellington Chen, Executive Director Chinatown
Partnership Local Development Corporation and John Leo of the Lower
Manhattan Development Corporation
- Many communities across the country, ranging all the way from
Omaha, Neb. to Durham, N.C.

"The New York metro area has extremely strong ties to China," said Mark Erwin, Continental's senior vice president-Asia/Pacific. "The cultural and commercial links between New York and Shanghai can be further strengthened with the addition of nonstop air service. Flying nonstop from Newark Liberty to Shanghai would save at least five hours over current routings and provide huge benefits to the local community and relations between our two countries."

If awarded the new route, Continental plans to operate the flight daily with a Boeing 777 aircraft with 283 seats. The flight would depart Newark Liberty at 11:50 a.m., arriving in Shanghai mid-afternoon the following day at 2:05 p.m. The return flight would depart Shanghai in the late afternoon at 4:05 p.m. and arrive at Newark Liberty in the evening of the same day at 6:30 p.m. These flights would offer connecting service between Shanghai and over 75 cities served through Continental's Newark Liberty hub.

The new Shanghai flight would give travelers another option for reaching China on Continental in addition to Continental's current nonstop flights from Newark Liberty to Beijing and Hong Kong.

Continental Airlines is the world's fifth largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 3,200 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, serving 154 domestic and 138 international destinations. More than 400 additional points are served via SkyTeam alliance airlines. With more than 43,000 employees, Continental has hubs serving New York, Houston, Cleveland and Guam, and together with Continental Express, carries approximately 61 million passengers per year. Continental consistently earns awards and critical acclaim for both its operation and its corporate culture.

In 2006, Continental Airlines won its sixth J.D. Power and Associates award since 1996. The carrier received the highest rank in customer satisfaction among network carriers in North America in the J.D. Power and Associates 2006 Airline Satisfaction Index Survey(SM). For the third consecutive year, FORTUNE magazine named Continental the No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline on its 2006 list of Most Admired Global Companies. Continental was also named the No. 1 airline on the publication's 2006 America's Most Admired airline industry list. Additionally, Continental again won major awards at the OAG Airline of the Year Awards including "Best Airline Based in North America" for the third year in a row, and "Best Executive/Business Class" for the fourth consecutive year.
 
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RE: Continental Shanghai Application Support Petition

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 12):
There are no nonstop flights to Shanghai -- China's largest city --
from anywhere in the Northeast despite the large Northeast-China
market.

Not anymore. China Eastern is starting the route to JFK in December.
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