kingsford
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Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:00 pm

I haven't seen their planes at any of the airports I frequently visit in Europe (FRA-MUC-LHR-AMS...) and their route map indeed shows no more destinations served in Europe (Not even AMS), nor N. America.

Any reason ?
 
AMSSFO
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:19 pm

They stopped a few years ago. 2004 for AMS and even before that for LGW and FRA. They couldn't make a profit out of it.

They are however planning to return to AMS, but that's still in the rumor stage.
 
jfk777
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:30 pm

Garuda has been through too much. It should fly to AMS at least. What about the 3 744 they have /had ?
 
HB-IWC
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
What about the 3 744 they have /had ?

Those 3 B744s - PK-GSG/H/I - are still in the fleet, operating to such destinations as RUH, DMM, JED, NRT and occasionally also to HKG, PEK, PVG and KIX.

All rumors of a return to AMS are just that right now, rumors. There are no plans for an imminent return to Europe, but, of course, as with all airlines, these routes are under constant review. I am confident that GA will eventually return to AMS. It will just not be as imminent as many people like to believe.
 
wedgetail737
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:30 am

I had heard two stories about the Garuda stopping service to the US...one has to do with economic sanctions because of terrorism and other is the lack of decent economics to fly to LAX. So what is true?
 
mandala499
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:34 am

Wedgetail,
Lack of decent economics is probably nearer the truth than the sanctions & terrorism version.

Mandala499
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vincewy
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:25 pm

The problem with their NA flight was simply too many stops, I knew the routing was CGK-DPS-BIK-HNL-LAX, had they initiated 2 flights, such as LAX-HNL-CGK, and SFO-HNL-DPS, allowing passengers to change/connect at HNL, it'll be a lot more viable.

IMO they shouldn't think too much of long haul expansions now, their strengths are Saudi Arabia, Australia, plus extensive domestic network linking all islands, MH and SQ will take care of the rest. I know Garuda used to offer rock bottom fare from Australia to Europe that QF accused them of dumping tickets.
 
HB-IWC
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 6):
The problem with their NA flight was simply too many stops, I knew the routing was CGK-DPS-BIK-HNL-LAX

For a while, there was a nonstop between DPS and HNL, and even then the route was bleeding money. The main problem with the route was the lack of premium traffic, and the first and business cabins were often empty, save for some government officials on free tickets. If GA were to restart an LAX route today, the problem of the premium traffic would still be the same. The Indonesian economy hasn't exactly been thriving since the Asian monetary crisis of the late 90s and there is very little demand from premium traffic on Garuda.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 6):
IMO they shouldn't think too much of long haul expansions now

Trust me, they aren't. With just three B744s and 6 A333s and no additional longhaul widebody capacity planned, there is very little room for expansion at all.
 
wedgetail737
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 5):
Wedgetail,
Lack of decent economics is probably nearer the truth than the sanctions & terrorism version.

Mandala499

Thanks for clearing that up. I kind of figured since Garuda ordered some airplanes from Boeing not too long ago.
 
777way
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:59 am

An Asian cargo magazine has reported GA official saying they will be starting Dubai next summer followed later on by Amsterdam, Frankfurt and London.
 
HB-IWC
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 9):
An Asian cargo magazine has reported GA official saying they will be starting Dubai next summer followed later on by Amsterdam, Frankfurt and London.

Dubai was already planned for last summer but didn't materialize because of lack of widebody equipment, and I doubt very much whether it will happen next summer. The plans actually call for a return to AMS via DXB. However, Garuda is unlikely to operate more than a handful of weekly flights, and is unlikely to be able to compete with Emirates on the route. EK offers currently 10 weekly CGK-DXB flights with an inflight product superior to that of GA.
 
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RE: Garuda No Longer Flies To Europe/North America?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:06 am

Garuda holds the distinction of being one of the few airlines to fail at USA service. The DPS-Biak-HNL-LAX flight bled money even after Biak was overflown as noted above. Had the route operated via North Asia (assuming traffic rights could be obtained) it may have been sustainable. The flights were operated by DC10, MD11 (one of which had an unfortunate landing misshap at HNL) and a leased SAA 747-200 Combi. Garuda was also the frequent target of FAA inspections at LAX.


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