SwissA330
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SWISS: Enough Airframes For European Network?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:59 pm

Since previous Threads about SWISS's today's Announcement to order 2 additional A321's and one A320 keep being deleted
(WHY??? This is News from today, and i cannot find another Thread regarding this...) i started this one as a discussion in general....

BTW: Here is the link to the Announcement, now officially on swiss.com since a couple of hours:
http://www.swiss.com/web/NS6/about-s...press-releases-06.htm?newsid=95258

So, as a Reply to the last comment on the previous thread:
(Whether this will start to satisfy Swiss's Demand for the European network):

In my opinion still some airframes short... but at least in the right direction  Wink

I used to fly ZRH-LIS regularly. Very often very full, and on special occasion impossible to book due to ethnical passengers.
Still, SWISS had to downgrade from 2 flights per day, mostly A321's to 1 A320 per day...
At least TAP caught up and is now flying 3 times a day, offering LX code-shares since both are now (again) in the same alliance.
Still, would be nice to see some more SWISS metal in LIS....

Also, GVA-LIS is all TAP-Aircraft now...

Therefore I still see some demand for further airframes, maybe some further AVRO's might also help.
BTW, nice to see some ex-Swissair aircraft returning to the fleet...
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RE: SWISS: Enough Airframes For European Network?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:04 am

Oops, found the other Thread....
This happens when you don't look for LX instead of SWISS.

Here is the Link to the other thread: Official: LX To Get Two A321 And One A320 (by Matterhorn Sep 4 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Still, lets discuss the Need for (further) aircraft in this thread rather than commenting today's news.

BR, Pat
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RE: SWISS: Enough Airframes For European Network?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:17 am

Hi SwissA330.

I always felt that sooner or latter SWISS will come up stronger again. I understand that after Swissair "crash" they had to re-think their strategy, but after things got smooth SWISS will come up to the standards that we used to....and I still think this is a dynamic process. SWISS will need more airplanes in the future, they are receiving 2 A330-200's from LH, now some more A321's and A320's....my shot goes that SWISS will eventually order the A350XWB in the future.....to replace their A330's from 2012/2013 on!
I also agree with you, SWISS should add more flights to LIS! LIS flights were always quite well loaded in the past ( even when Swissair operated...) and we cannot forget that Swissair even used the A310 in the past! LIS deserves at least the A321 again here, and why not revert to the old option that worked so well during many years? LIS/GVA/ZRH and ZRH/LIS?!?!?
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RE: SWISS: Enough Airframes For European Network?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting SwissA330 (Thread starter):
Since previous Threads about SWISS's today's Announcement to order 2 additional A321's and one A320 keep being deleted

As I already wrote in your deleted thread: yesterday I flew Moscow (DME) to Zurich on a Swiss A 320. The aircraft was almost full (probably 5 seats vacant). As Swiss operates 3 flights daily on this route they need at least two frames for this three hour plus flight (one way). I was asking myself if Swiss really has enough A 32x (family) for their European network. Now today I got the answer.
 
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RE: SWISS: Enough Airframes For European Network?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:38 pm

Well, regarding LIS:
The A310 was when ZRH & GVA were connected only with one daily flight to LIS, in the late 90's SR & TP (Qualiflyer) had 4x ZRH-LIS, 2xGVA-LIS and 1x BSL-LIS, not much more than today actually, only that now almost all of the flights are operated by TP aircraft.

What Swiss is also missing is Crossair's extensive Feeder Network throughout Europe. Somehow LX is now almost only Swissair and not Crossair anymore. Lot's of smaller destinations have been dropped thus generating less transfer pax.
Well, I think these are routed via FRA/MUC now anyway...
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RE: SWISS: Enough Airframes For European Network?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:02 pm

Quoting SwissA330 (Reply 4):
What Swiss is also missing is Crossair's extensive Feeder Network throughout Europe. Somehow LX is now almost only Swissair and not Crossair anymore. Lot's of smaller destinations have been dropped thus generating less transfer pax.

As far as I know, that was done intentionally. By the time SR folded, transit passengers accounted for more than 60% of their passengers. Unfortunately, very often these were paying a lot less for their tickets. When SWISS started then, one of their objectives was to focus closer on the Swiss market. Aa a result,, many of the traditional connections through ZRH were done away with. Take for example CAI which, in SR's days, had great connections to and from the US via ZRH. Since SWISS rescheduled the CAI flight to a same-day return service, the connections are no longer that good and may require a stop over in ZRH.
 
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RE: SWISS: Enough Airframes For European Network?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:51 pm

I am flying LX on OCT 2: PRG-ZRH-GVA-BCN and on OCT 9: AMS-ZRH-PRG.

I am very much looking forward flying with LX. Last time i flew when it was still old SR from PRG-ZRH on Airbus 320.

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