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DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:40 am

I was looking though from DL 757-200 shots and I was surprised to see this image of a 757 in the old "97" scheme. The photo is dated 7/8/2006, it's been six years since Delta brought in the new colors. Why the delay in repainting some of the 757s? Are they ever going to switch over to the new scheme? I personally like the "97" scheme on the -200, so it is nice to see some still with it.

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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:43 am

I'd say the vast majority of planes are in the new livery. Now that the 737-200s are gone, I believe there are a handful of 757s and 767-300s that are still in the old colours, but it's gotta be less than 20 now.

Connection on the other hand...there are still quite a few CRJs running around in the 1997 livery.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:45 am

It appears they are doing that plane one piece at a time. Starting with the radome, then the R2 door, and finally the thrust reversers.
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:51 am

I actually flew on one between SLC-SEA three weeks ago. The interior had all leather seats, but the outside was still the 1997 livery. but then DL might just begin again on the livery next year. The sooner DL can exit bankruptcy and put the Leo Mullin era behind the better!
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:51 am

Quite a few 763s and a few 757s are still in the old colors, plus I'd say 1/4 of the CRJs I see (both comair and acey) still sport the blue cheatline.
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:29 am

Is there a chance of them changing yet again? Maybe something inbetween the new and the 97? I like the new one, but it lost that classic look that the 97 kept.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting KSUpilot (Thread starter):
it's been six years since Delta brought in the new colors. Why the delay in repainting some of the 757s?

Well, if memory serves, the last aircraft in the long-lived widget livery were only repainted in early 2004, so it's not terribly surprising that we'd still see some flying around in the Ron Allen colors. Plus, the Song aircraft would have taken priority for a while while they were being painted (partially) lime-green. I saw several aircraft in the 1997 scheme Thursday night while passing through ATL.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:52 am

Other than in merger situations, aircraft are usually repainted when they go in for heavy maintenance, which is around the time they'd need a paint job whether or not there was a livery change. It makes sense that there are still a few aircraft that got repainted at the very end of the Ron Allen livery and haven't come up for a repaint yet. Given limited financial resources, it makes a lot more sense to spend them on things that will improve the passenger experience (i.e. the new interiors and IFE) as opposed to a paint job that maybe 10% of passengers would notice for five minutes at the gate.

Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 5):
Is there a chance of them changing yet again? Maybe something inbetween the new and the 97? I like the new one, but it lost that classic look that the 97 kept.

Grinstein has stated his concern is improving the product and finances and exiting BK, not coming up with a new livery (part of the reason DL fired their last ad agency was that they pushed for yet another livery and DL was not interested). Deltaflot has grown on me (far, far superior to Ron Allen) but I'd like to see it changed - when the time is right. Around the end of the decade, after BK is behind them and 772LRs and 787s are coming in, I would like to see something that keeps more modern touches like the lighter blue shades and new font but also brings the widget back to prominence on the tail and nacelles.
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:13 pm

I know that in the past, many users did not like my idea of different colors for different aircraft. They stated that it is copying Braniff. However, I personally like the idea of multicolored aircraft:
  • MD-88 - Blue
  • MD-90 - Teal
  • 737-800 - Yellow
  • 757-200 - Orange
  • 767-300 - Green
  • 767-400ER - Pink
  • 777-200 - Red
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:14 pm

What is funny is that all of the 75's in the old livery have the new interior. I guess it is a way of saying past meets future.
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 7):
I would like to see something that keeps more modern touches like the lighter blue shades and new font but also brings the widget back to prominence on the tail and nacelles.

I agree, the only thing that bothers me on the new livery is the tail. I like the banner background but it needs the widget. The 97 tail wasn't too good either.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
I know that in the past, many users did not like my idea of different colors for different aircraft. They stated that it is copying Braniff. However, I personally like the idea of multicolored aircraft:

* MD-88 - Blue
* MD-90 - Teal
* 737-800 - Yellow
* 757-200 - Orange
* 767-300 - Green
* 767-400ER - Pink
* 777-200 - Red

I hope Delta doesn't go with different colors for different aircraft. I don't know if anyone has said this before, but it would look too much like Braniff... and the last thing DL wants right now is more things that remind them of DFW!
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:04 pm

Quite Frankly, I miss the old DL livery. The "97" livery is much better than the bland livery they have now.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:08 pm

SOT, but why did DL have this livery for a few years then switch to the present one so soon?
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
SOT, but why did DL have this livery for a few years then switch to the present one so soon?

Executive ego. DL had two CEOs in a row who were more interested in putting their mark on the airline than in actually running it well. It worked okay for Ron Allen, who implemented the '97 livery, because any idiot could run a profitable airline in the late '90s. It didn't work so well for Leo Mullin, who implemented the 2000 livery, because times rapidly got tough, and fortunately for DL he got run out of town on the proverbial rail.
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:22 pm

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 14):
who implemented the 2000 livery, because times rapidly got tough, and fortunately for DL he got run out of town on the proverbial rail.

Wow, they've had the current one that long now? It doesnt even seem that long ago...
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 7):
Deltaflot has grown on me (far, far superior to Ron Allen) but I'd like to see it changed - when the time is right. Around the end of the decade, after BK is behind them and 772LRs and 787s are coming in, I would like to see something that keeps more modern touches like the lighter blue shades and new font but also brings the widget back to prominence on the tail and nacelles.

Call me a fanatic, but if DL's first 772LR were to roll out of the paint shop in the traditional Widget livery, I'd go completely nuts Big grin .

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
However, I personally like the idea of multicolored aircraft:

* MD-88 - Blue
* MD-90 - Teal
* 737-800 - Yellow
* 757-200 - Orange
* 767-300 - Green
* 767-400ER - Pink
* 777-200 - Red

Way too costly to have all those different colors.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 4):
Quite a few 763s and a few 757s are still in the old colors

757s:

N611DL
N616DL
N621DL
N623DL
N626DL
N627DL
N657DL
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N689DL
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N692DL

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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:34 am

Wow never knew it was that many. I know it was said that they usually are gradually repainted when they go in for maintainance, but that's a lot of airplanes in older colors. I guess Delta does have bigger problems right now than to worry about a dozen aircraft in different colors.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 9):
What is funny is that all of the 75's in the old livery have the new interior. I guess it is a way of saying past meets future.

Also, when you are sitting inside as a paying customer, you care more about the new interior than the paint job!
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 16):
Call me a fanatic, but if DL's first 772LR were to roll out of the paint shop in the traditional Widget livery, I'd go completely nuts  .

You're a fanatic, but then again, for the classic "widget," livery, so am I!  hyper 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:04 am

What always bothered me about the new livery is that unfinished alum strip on the bottom of the a/c. It looks like the painters ran out of time. I know that's not the case though. I think solid white would have looked better if they had to go with Generic white in the first place.
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 21):
What always bothered me about the new livery is that unfinished alum strip on the bottom of the a/c. It looks like the painters ran out of time. I know that's not the case though. I think solid white would have looked better if they had to go with Generic white in the first place.

I love the silver bottom, the paint scheme would look terrible without it. It's something that all three paint schemes have had.

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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 21):
What always bothered me about the new livery is that unfinished alum strip on the bottom of the a/c. It looks like the painters ran out of time. I know that's not the case though. I think solid white would have looked better if they had to go with Generic white in the first place.

I agree, it would look so much nicer and up-to-the minute. I think the reason was that that's how it was painted beforehand, so it was easier (and cost-effective) to just keep it.

I never liked the -97 scheme, and the previous one (old widget livery) looks so dated, I'd cringe if it was brought back!

Personal taste ofcourse  Smile

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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:22 am

Ok, so DL changed their livery in 1997 to the one as shown in the pic (which I like). Why did they change it again some 3-4 years later then??? All those planes that got a repaint in the "new" livery after 1997 would then have to undergo another one a few years later after taking on another livery concept. This has probably been discussed before, but still it's something I wonder about...
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:29 am

Any of Song aircraft been repainted yet?
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 2):
It appears they are doing that plane one piece at a time. Starting with the radome, then the R2 door, and finally the thrust reversers.

I doubt it. The more likely scenario is that those parts have been changed and the installed part happened to have the new colors since the plane it was installed on previously had already been repainted.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 4):
Quite a few 763s and a few 757s are still in the old colors

And one of the 757's in the 1997 colors operated my ATL-BOS flight today (DL 1655), complete with updated interior.

Quoting Cpsarras (Reply 23):
and the previous one (old widget livery) looks so dated

The old widget livery was truly a classic. I think that it could have been brought into the 21st century with a bit of clever updating, though.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:22 am

I like elements of all three colour schemes and and wish they could incorporate the widget on the tail with the colours of the present scheme with the "Delta Airlines" of the '97 scheme.
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:38 am

I was on N688DL a few weeks ago. Still had the '97 livery, but had the new interiors (minus mesh curtains). It's nice to see that a few planes still have the Allen livery....while not as good as the classic Widget livery, it's a LOT better than that crap they have now.
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 28):
I like elements of all three colour schemes and and wish they could incorporate the widget on the tail with the colours of the present scheme with the "Delta Airlines" of the '97 scheme.

I second that. I wouldn't say the new one is horrible, it is just missing the classic widget.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:18 am

If you have never seen that plane I dont know where youve been  banghead 
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:59 am

The last I saw this plane was in ATL in DEC of 2005. Dont know if it's been repainted since then.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 17):
N143DA

I saw that plane in SAN in Jun this year. Looked beautiful.

For those of you saying " Past meets future", I agree with you.

What my theory is that while the a/c in the 97 scheme get mx checks new interiors are getting installed and these i'm guessing will be the last a/c to be painted in the new scheme. Can someone who works for DL support my theory?

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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 25):
Any of Song aircraft been repainted yet?

Yes:

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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:41 pm

DL does not repaint at heavy check. Last year there was a big push to get more repaints done but lately some of the paint line has been taken up by contract work, mostly for ABX. Two of our 757 are due in for paint in the next couple of weeks; 626 and 610.
 
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:17 pm

Personally, I like the Deltaflot livery best, it's grown on me. At first I was like WTF is this? But now, over time it has appeal, is contemporary, modern, clean, soft, blah blah, insert any branding company terminology here...

That being said, I do wish there was more "Widget" somewhere, not sure where, but somewhere.

I think preference for me goes:

-Deltaflot
-Widget (classic for it's time, run it's course, altho did look modern on 102!)
-Ron Allen (HATE THIS)!
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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:57 pm

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RE: DL 757 In "97" Scheme?

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 28):
with the "Delta Airlines" of the '97 scheme.

Except that the 1997 livery says "Delta Air Lines" as that's the correct name of the company.