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Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:49 pm

Link to the GMANews.tv article

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PAL was supposed to decide this month on whether it will order new planes. The additional four-wide bodied planes that PAL is eyeing to purchase will be used to service its US routes and Vancouver in Canada.

Bautista said the carrier is determined to acquire more planes to service existing and new routes. However, it has yet to make up its mind if it will choose US aerospace giant Boeing Co. or European plane maker Airbus.
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:34 pm

Whatever they have a larger fleet of- Boeings or Airbii... I'm pretty sure of the top of my head that they have more A330s/A340s than 747s, so they should go with a couple more of them, IMHO...

Of course, I just say this because they are considering flying to my home airport of SAN and us SAN spotters will take ANY widebody flying to our airport! Big grin
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:22 pm

Not being rude but is PR really considering flying into SAN?
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting 767ER (Reply 2):
Not being rude but is PR really considering flying into SAN?

Last month, they announced the intention to do such a flight via YVR sometime within the next year. Here's to hoping that it does happen...
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:43 pm

Well PR is expanding none the less, just saw on another thread that they will be introducing another 744 to the fleet, being leased from NZ for a while, on top of this, the leased aircraft will feature all of NZ's upgraded interior like the lie flat beds in business, a premium economy section and AVOD in economy (if they decide to use it.)
 
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:10 pm

Hard to belive with a population of 85 million, PR only has 5 744s while NZ with a pop of 4 million air nz has 9 744s. But then comparing the Phillpines to NZ is like comparing apples to oranges.

Is their a big Phillipino population in SAN?
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting 767ER (Reply 5):
Hard to belive with a population of 85 million, PR only has 5 744s while NZ with a pop of 4 million air nz has 9 744s.

Yes, but ask yourself how much of that 85 million is on pay good enough to sustain a demand for lots of long haul flights? Not to mention the fact that NZ has a much bigger tourism industry that is booming right now. Also, NZ only have 8 747's, will be 7 747's once PR get the leased aircraft.
 
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:28 pm

Just a useless fact. PR will be having ZK-SUH.
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:06 pm

Quoting 767ER (Reply 5):
Hard to belive with a population of 85 million, PR only has 5 744s while NZ with a pop of 4 million air nz has 9 744s. But then comparing the Phillpines to NZ is like comparing apples to oranges.

I don't think I need to go further on this.  Wink

Quoting NZ560 (Reply 7):
Just a useless fact. PR will be having ZK-SUH.

Definitely not useless as it does pertain to PR's acquisitions.  Smile If you want a useless fact, ZK-SUJ was supposed to be delivered to PR as N756PR.  Wink

Quoting 767ER (Reply 5):
Is their a big Phillipino population in SAN?

San Diego County has an estimate of 121,000 Filipino-Americans which makes it the second largest county in the US in terms of a Fil-Am population.
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:56 pm

Quoting 767ER (Reply 5):
Is their a big Phillipino population in SAN?

Off the "top of my head", most Filipino immigrants and Americans of Filipino extraction, live in California and Hawaii. There are huge concentrations in SAN and SFO. I think that PR's most lucrative markets are still MNL - SFO/LAX/HNL.
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:07 pm

All of Southern Califonia has huge Filipino populations. I lived in Riverside and there are alot of them there too (just trivia I'm not suggesting they fly into ONT).

Questions: Do they still fly into LAS and ORD?

Are they still planning resuming flights back to Europe?

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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:12 pm

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 10):
Questions: Do they still fly into LAS and ORD?

Are they still planning resuming flights back to Europe?

They still do LAS via YVR w/ an A343 and ORD has never been flown by PR since the 80s. As for Europe, the plans seem to be going on and off with reasons such as lack of long-haul aircraft to do the flight as well as heavy competition between Middle Eastern airlines. Maybe they could do something when they recieve more widebodies...
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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:39 pm

Quoting N751PR (Reply 11):
They still do LAS via YVR w/ an A343 and ORD has never been flown by PR since the 80s. As for Europe, the plans seem to be going on and off with reasons such as lack of long-haul aircraft to do the flight as well as heavy competition between Middle Eastern airlines. Maybe they could do something when they recieve more widebodies...

Thanks for the info. Another question: I read your excellent trip report on LAX-MNL with a tech stop in HNL. Do you think your flight would have been better if you did the tech stop in GUM as they sometimes do now?

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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 12):
Do you think your flight would have been better if you did the tech stop in GUM as they sometimes do now?

It's much preferable to fly LAX-MNL direct, but not always practicable.

On the decision delay, might it have something to do with financing?

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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):
On the decision delay, might it have something to do with financing?

This would be my number one guess.

Or

Airbus and Boeing is not giving big enough concessions.

It would be better if PR just keep getting used aircraft.

There are a bunch of ex-UA B744 sitting in the desert. Also, AC is about to get rid of their A330/A340 fleet, so maybe PR can negotiate with AC for some of them.

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RE: Philippine Airlines Delays Widebody Decision

Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 12):
I read your excellent trip report on LAX-MNL with a tech stop in HNL. Do you think your flight would have been better if you did the tech stop in GUM as they sometimes do now?

Unfortunately I haven't been able to fly PR w/ their new tech stop in GUM yet it does look appealing as a stopover compared to HNL. A stopover in GUM sounds like I could be able to immediately snooze in my flight after the meal service without worrying to wake up a few hours later to prepare for landing in HNL. All flights now that did a stop in HNL has now been moved to GUM.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 13):
On the decision delay, might it have something to do with financing?

It could be. Supposedly from what I'm getting, they're still looking into which aircraft to choose but indeed financing could also be a role in this delay.
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