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SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 pm

SAS launches direct flight from Stockholm to Beijing

Coinciding with the East-Indiaman Götheborg's presence in China, SAS announces an increase in traffic to China with the launch of the coveted Stockholm-Beijing route in April 2007.

The Götheborg's visit has received widespread attention in China with Crown Princess Victoria and Prince Carl Philip participating in the activities.
Industrialist Jacob Wallenberg, who is currently visiting China, will be pleased that Sweden's connections with China will be further strengthened with SAS expanding traffic to China.

"We are eager to be flexible and operate flights on routes demanded by customers," says Lars Lindgren, President of Scandinavian Airlines International. "Since our direct routes to Shanghai and Beijing from Copenhagen are highly appreciated, we see great potential in the Stockholm-Beijing route."

As of April 2007, the Stockholm-Beijing route will be added to the airline's already extensive flight connections with the East. There will be four direct flights per week from Stockholm to Beijing. SAS will continue to fly from Copenhagen to Beijing and Shanghai.

Passengers to Beijing from Stockholm will have access to the very highest comfort. The route will be operated with an Airbus 340 aircraft equipped with SAS's well-known flatbeds in the entire Business Class cabin. The design and functionality of these seats has led to them being called the next generation of airline seats and they can be compared with a real bed when folded into the sleeping position. The new seats provide improved comfort and more secluded space than traditional seats. Departures from Stockholm will be late at night, making it possible to plan an entire day of work prior to the comfortable flight to Beijing.

To create as flexible a journey as possible, customers traveling on the route to Beijing can choose between Business Class, Economy Class and Economy Extra. The Economy Extra cabin will be separate from the rest of Economy area, the seats will be wider and passengers will have more legroom. In this class, it will also be possible to combine other types of tickets, such as Business Class, and security control will be quicker through the Fast Track area.

From as early as 1988, SAS began operating direct flights between Copenhagen and Beijing and since 2004 SAS has also flown from Copenhagen to Shanghai.

In addition to the planned Stockholm-Beijing flights, Scandinavian Airlines International also operates routes to eight destinations in Asia and the US. From Copenhagen, there are direct flights to New York, Washington DC, Seattle, Chicago, Bangkok, Tokyo, Beijing and Shanghai. From Stockholm, there are flights to New York and Chicago, and from April 2007 also to Beijing.

For further information, please contact:
Kerstin Edenby-Stross, Director Information & Communication, Tel. +46 8 797 12 36; e-mail: kerstin.edenby-stross@sas.se

Brief facts about Scandinavian Airlines International, the long haul operator of SAS

No. of passengers per year about 1.5 million. Aircraft 11 Airbus 330/340s Destinations New York, Chicago, Washington, Seattle, Bangkok, , Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo. Copenhagen and Stockholm
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:47 pm

And SAS has been paying a visit to Air Canada and have had a look at 2 A340's.A decision to purchase or lease will be taken during this coming autumn according to my Fleet Chief Pilot.
Finally,some expansion on the long-haul sector!
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:03 pm

Not the smartest move I think. With CA flying PEK-ARN 4x/week I think it's pretty dumb of them to start competion with an alliance member. Or is it so that CA is thinking of dropping the PEK-ARN route and starting a code-share with SK?
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:39 pm

Didn't SK also want to launch BKK from ARN? That would of course add pressure to Thai. But considering the masses that travel to Thailand from Sweden every year there must be room for the two.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 2):
Not the smartest move I think. With CA flying PEK-ARN 4x/week I think it's pretty dumb of them to start competion with an alliance member. Or is it so that CA is thinking of dropping the PEK-ARN route and starting a code-share with SK?

I think they will codeshare on the ARN-PEK route so it will be 8x/week together.

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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:36 am

i dont know much, but i would have thought that if CA added a daily flight instead , the SAS could have opened another route from ARN.I think HKG would be great route for SAS and maybe even PVG from ARN.That way pax could have more choice from ARN.
I wish them all the luck on this route and it will be great to see the A340 at ARN.
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting TR (Thread starter):
There will be four direct flights per week from Stockholm to Beijing.

That leaves three days. Does anybody have any idea what the airplane will do on those three days? Will it operate on another new route from ARN?

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 2):
Not the smartest move I think. With CA flying PEK-ARN 4x/week I think it's pretty dumb of them to start competion with an alliance member.

Well, formally CA is not in Star yet, but when they do join the alliance, it means that PEK will become an important Star hub in Asia. It makes sense to increase the Star Alliance flights between the two hubs of ARN and PEK. Beijing is in fact the capital of the world's largest country (population wise).

Quoting GodBless (Reply 3):
Didn't SK also want to launch BKK from ARN? That would of course add pressure to Thai. But considering the masses that travel to Thailand from Sweden every year there must be room for the two.

This coming winter, TG will operate seven weekly 744 flights between ARN-BKK, BLX will operate three weekly 744 charter flights from ARN to Thailand, NVR will operate three weekly A332 flights, and DK will probably operate one or two weekly flights as well. That means that there will probably be more than 6000 seats per week each way between ARN and Thailand!

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 5):
i dont know much, but i would have thought that if CA added a daily flight instead , the SAS could have opened another route from ARN.I think HKG would be great route for SAS and maybe even PVG from ARN.

Maybe. It would maybe be better for CA to increase to daily flights, and for SK to launch flights to the new Star hub in Shanghai.
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 6):
and for SK to launch flights to the new Star hub in Shanghai.

Since when PVG became a "star" hub? because of FM? FM is such a small player at PVG (compared to MU). it's like NK at DTW.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:40 pm

Great to see that SAS opens new long-haul routes from ARN. With two "new" A340s SAS are able to open another Asian route as well, and I nthink NRT or PVG would be a good choice.
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting Matt27 (Reply 8):
Great to see that SAS opens new long-haul routes from ARN. With two "new" A340s SAS are able to open another Asian route as well, and I nthink NRT or PVG would be a good choice.

I spoke to Kerstin Edenby-Stross, Director Information & Communication at SAS yesterday and she said that the 340 is not a new a/c. So maybe they are reducing one existing CPH route?
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:12 am

I guess this is SK's attempt to stop the passenger leak from ARN to AY's China services from HEL. How successful this will be, remains to be seen. My opinion is that SK is little bit lost at the moment, they can't determine if they want to be global world carrier or low cost no frills short haul mover. At the moment they try to be something to everybody which leaves customer very unsure what to expect. They really need to focus to whichever niche they want to choose but they need to decide it soon. Otherwise LH will eat them from south and AY from north.

AY has been very successful with their Far East expansion, unfortunately I don't believe SK can just copy AY's success. With 4 weekly flights from ARN vs. numerous daily flights from HEL, I guess it will take some time and effort from SK.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:27 am

Em could we get a flight to LAX or SFO bitte??

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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Windshear (Reply 11):
AY has been very successful with their Far East expansion, unfortunately I don't believe SK can just copy AY's success. With 4 weekly flights from ARN vs. numerous daily flights from HEL, I guess it will take some time and effort from SK.

You may have a point there, especially since SK is pretty expensive to fly with.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:07 pm

Quoting TR (Thread starter):
Departures from Stockholm will be late at night, making it possible to plan an entire day of work prior to the comfortable flight to Beijing.

The schedule is planned to be:
Stockholm - Beijing Mon, Wed, Sat, Sun 22:30 - 12:55+1
Beijing - Stockholm Mon, Tue, Sat, Sun 14:45 - 18:10

/A
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:18 pm

Quoting TR (Thread starter):
the Stockholm-Beijing route will be added to the airline's already extensive flight connections with the East



Quoting TR (Thread starter):
Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo.

That gives a whole new meaning to the word 'extensive'.  biggrin 

Quoting TR (Thread starter):
SAS's well-known flatbeds

Well-known?! Weren't they just introduced?
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:05 pm

I think this is great for SAS and for Stockholm. Personally I'd like to see SAS move all its Asia flights to Stockholm. The N. America flights should be moved to Oslo and the European hub should remain in Copenhagen.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:12 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 15):
Personally I'd like to see SAS move all its Asia flights to Stockholm. The N. America flights should be moved to Oslo and the European hub should remain in Copenhagen.

I'd rather see them expand ARN so it becomes equal with CPH. It would be stupid of them to remove the long-haul from CPH as Copenhagen is the biggest city in Scandinavia.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 15):
Personally I'd like to see SAS move all its Asia flights to Stockholm. The N. America flights should be moved to Oslo and the European hub should remain in Copenhagen.

Why? If I may ask  Smile

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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:55 pm

Quoting Windshear (Reply 17):
Why? If I may ask

Most likely because he is from Norway :P
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:39 pm

Just saw an interview with Lars Lindgren at SAS

During the 90's SK had a direct flight between ARN-NRT together with ANA.
Lars Lindgren is very interested in resuming this route but the fact that there are no slots left is a big problem.

SAS has 10 slots/week and the flights from CPH covers 7-8. NRT only have one runway and a conflict between the authorities and local rice-farmers stops the buliding of a new runway that will have the capacity for Intercontinetal A/C's.

Bangkok and Hong Kong are the two other cities on Lars Lindgren's wishlist. To Hongkong there is a large demand while Bangkok mostly is winter season only.

Lars Lindgren is President of SAS Intercontinental.

(I have translated the interview myself so I appoligize in advance for bad spelling etc.)

source: n24.se
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:32 pm

I think SAS need to keep one strong European and Intercontinental hub. Whether that is Copenhagen or Stockholm is equal to me personally, but ONE hub is essential.

Here in Oslo I think traffic will develop outside the SAS system. Continental (EWR) and PIA (LHE, ISB, KHI) are currently the only long haul operators, with Thai looking at OSL for many years without launching flights yet. KLM and Lufthansa, especially, have growth and OSL is currently booming with growth figures exceeding 10% every month this year. Actually OSL has more passengers (jan-jul) than Stockholm (ARN) currently also being the 2nd. largest airport in the Nordic region when it comes to passengers.

Largest airports in the Nordic Region:
This year Copenhagen (CPH) is expecting around 21 million passengers, Stockholm (ARN) 18 million, Oslo (OSL) 18 million, Helsinki (HEL) 13 million, Bergen (BGO) 4.5 million and Gothenburg (GOT) 4 million.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting Vadheim (Reply 20):
Largest airports in the Nordic Region:
This year Copenhagen (CPH) is expecting around 21 million passengers, Stockholm (ARN) 18 million, Oslo (OSL) 18 million, Helsinki (HEL) 13 million, Bergen (BGO) 4.5 million and Gothenburg (GOT) 4 million.

Interesting statistic, where did you got this?

One thing to remember is that big share of OSL traffic is Norvegian domestic flights. If you would look only for international/intercontinental pax figures, the statistics will be different.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting Vadheim (Reply 20):
Actually OSL has more passengers (jan-jul) than Stockholm (ARN)

"Totally 10,110,940 passengers have used Oslo Airport... Passenger traffic at OSL so far this year is nearly the same (11.1 million) as at Stockholm-Arlanda Airport."

Quote from an OSL press release: http://www.osl.no/index.asp?strUrl=/...=&subExpand=&pid_1=&l=&cAD=1000123

I believe there is a difference between "nearly the same" and "more."
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 15):
think this is great for SAS and for Stockholm. Personally I'd like to see SAS move all its Asia flights to Stockholm. The N. America flights should be moved to Oslo and the European hub should remain in Copenhagen.

I read somewhere that 40% of the passengers travelling from CPH are Swedes, if you are from south of Sweden it is much easier and cheaper to go to CPH instead of ARN.

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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 16):

First of all, the number of inhabitants is around 1,8 million (metro) for both cities. Even if Copenhagen was 5x bigger than Stockholm, that wouldn't necissary decide that Copenhagen Airport was the main hub of Scandinavian Airlines. Copenhagen is the main hub mostly because of geographical and political reasons. However, I agree with you that Copenhagen should remain the main hub for SAS, a few more intercontinental flights from OSL and ARN wouldn't hurt, though.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Pera (Reply 24):
a few more intercontinental flights from OSL and ARN wouldn't hurt, though.

Absolutley not. I think it would be great for both cities to expand. But I also wonder where good destinations would be. I belive more in OSL-IAD (maybe someone's allready flying that) then OSL-EWR.
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting Vadheim (Reply 20):
Here in Oslo I think traffic will develop outside the SAS system. Continental (EWR) and PIA (LHE, ISB, KHI)

Is PIA flying to all these destinaions from OSL? =/
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 26):
Is PIA flying to all these destinaions from OSL? =/

At least it used to be so (with a brief stop at CPH). Right now I can only find LHE and ISB.

This is nothing out of the ordinary with PIA, though. They seem to fly to many places from all of the three cities with only 1-2 per week.
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 27):
At least it used to be so (with a brief stop at CPH). Right now I can only find LHE and ISB.

Okay but is it one flight to LHE and one to ISB or one alltogether with a stop in one of them?
 
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 28):
Okay but is it one flight to LHE and one to ISB or one alltogether with a stop in one of them?

Two different flights. Both stop at CPH.
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RE: SAS Stockholm-Beijing A Reality

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:32 pm

Quoting Vadheim (Reply 20):
Largest airports in the Nordic Region:
This year Copenhagen (CPH) is expecting around 21 million passengers, Stockholm (ARN) 18 million, Oslo (OSL) 18 million, Helsinki (HEL) 13 million, Bergen (BGO) 4.5 million and Gothenburg (GOT) 4 million.

GOT is actually expecting 4.4 this year...  Smile

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