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60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:15 am

According to an article published today in Buenos Aires by Infobae, 20 out of 33 Aerolíneas Argentinas aircrafts are inoperable because of lack of spare parts.
Besides, the article says that AR has not been paying for the leasing of the A340 since last May; so, if there's no payment in the next two weeks, those aircrafts might be seized.
The airline was asked to give their own version, byt they wouldn't answer.
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:33 am

That's pretty bad! Can you provide a link, please? I looked in the infobae.com website and couldn't find anything.

[Edited 2006-09-06 01:33:47]
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:40 am

I'm afraid I can't. First of all, I'm not sure I would know how to do that even if I find the article on the internet. Anyway, after reading the article in the print edition today I visited www.infobae.com and found nothing at all about it. Strange, isn't it?
After trying again, this is the best I can do: www.infobae.com/baediario/home/php

[Edited 2006-09-06 01:44:50]
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:43 am

First of all, I didn't find anything on Infobae's website. Second, it's Infobae - you should know that what they write is almost always bullshit, no matter the subject.

All the 732s and 735s are operative, and so are the A310s. The A342s are all flying but LV-ZRA, which is currently grounded and some rumours say may go to Air Plus in Spain. The 747s, well, that's another story... As for the A342s, as far as I know they are not leased but being paid by Aerolíneas en cuotas (forgot the English term for that).

I will try to check this information with people inside Aerolíneas, but I highly doubt it is true.

Saludos,
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 3):
en cuotas (forgot the English term for that)

I believe the term you want is in installments.
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting LVICS (Thread starter):
According to an article published today in Buenos Aires by Infobae, 20 out of 33 Aerolíneas Argentinas aircrafts are inoperable because of lack of spare parts.

Maybe AR should play cards with RG...

Rgs,
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:44 pm

AR seems to be in a good financial position. They have almost no competition on their market. Furthermore, the powerful Marsans Group is backing them up.
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:09 pm

Power full Marsans, maybe . . . but if only they did things the right way, who knows where AR would be today. Maybe not so much Marsans, but Mata.

As with Marambino, I beg to doubt the correctness of the article. Although having said that, there are issues regarding spare parts.
There was a promise to the government from the new directors, that there would be a huge investment flow into AR. Shortly after there was the announcement of the A3??.

When will there be Spanish owners that do things the right way?

I don't mean to be harsh, but their track record is not that great. Although one has to give them credit for the 737 upgrades and the introduction of the 744's!
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting Marambio (Reply 3):
First of all, I didn't find anything on Infobae's website. Second, it's Infobae - you should know that what they write is almost always bullshit, no matter the subject.

The link I provided after editing my post takes you to the print edition, so I guess it was good yesterday only.
I'm sorry, I didn't "know that what they write is almost always bullshit". Neither I usually read that paper nor have any source to confirm what the article says. The title on the front page caught my eye at the newsstand, I decided I could afford spending AR$ 1,90 to read the story and so I did. After what you said, I don't think I'll ever share something like that here.

[Edited 2006-09-06 14:24:48]
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 6):
AR seems to be in a good financial position. They have almost no competition on their market. Furthermore, the powerful Marsans Group is backing them up.

Having almost no competition on domestic flights does not equal profits. Remember that domestic fares in Argentina have a cap, therefore, AR can not sell above that cap which means that many domestic flights run at a loss. Marsans knows this and has been in talks with the government to increase domestic fares. The government just increased fares by a small percentage to make Marsans invest some money in the airline (new airplanes) but Marsans still wants the government to buy at least 20% of AR. If you add the constant problems with unions and the competition of LAN Argentina, I don't see Marsans backing up AR in the short term...

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 7):
When will there be Spanish owners that do things the right way?

I would say, when will Spanish owners understand that having an airline in Latin America is risky? It is not the EU...
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting LVICS (Reply 8):

The link I provided after editing my post takes you to the print edition, so I guess it was good yesterday only.
I'm sorry, I didn't "know that what they write is almost always bullshit". Neither I usually read that paper nor have any source to confirm what the article says. The title on the front page caught my eye at the newsstand, I decided I could afford spending AR$ 1,90 to read the story and so I did. After what you said, I don't think I'll ever share something like that here.

I'm sorry. I did not want to sound rude, but this news caught me by surprise and, coming from Infobae I'd rather not believe it. They sometimes are accurate, but most of the time they are biased and not worth reading. Although (sadly) this is starting to apply to most Argentine newspapers...

As I said, I will try to confirm or deny this information with people inside Aerolíneas.

Saludos,
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:29 am

So, it looks like Aerolíneas is operating with around 70% of its fleet. Maybe a little bit more if we add Austral's planes.

3 744s are operating, out of 3.
0 742s are operating, out of 2.
3 A342s are operating, out of 4.
2 A310s are operating, out of 2.
11 B735s are operating, out of 11.
9 B732s are operating, out of 15.

Austral: 15 airplanes are operating, out of 22.

This is not only due to many airplanes being grounded, but also because there is a huge lack of pilots. Some have just joined the company, but it will take at least 2 to 3 months to normalize all operations.

As for the installments (thanks Antiuser!), it looks like Aerolíneas owes one month, but that's in between the contract's tolerance. The A342s I believe they already paid 60%, and the MDs are 80% paid. It would make no sense for the owner to get those aircraft back after so many years of use, and now that the total is about to be paid.

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:01 am

Just as I expected Marambino!

I did not think that things could be that bad. Sure they could be better, but not as bad as the paper makes it our to be!

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:17 am

I'm really glad those news are not accurate. After reading so many bad things (1 A340 going to Air Plus Comet, New York gone, some aircrafts not flying, etc.) I kind of thought it might be the beginning of a much darker era.
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:57 am

Thanks for the info, Marambio!

What I find amazing is that AR finally has more B735s than B732s flying! Yipee!  Smile
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 6):
AR seems to be in a good financial position. They have almost no competition on their market

Just LAN,AA,IB,CO,DL,LH,AF,AZ,TAM,GOL,MX,UA,BA,Air Madrid.

Oh, yes, on the Patagonian lose money routes, yes, they have no competition, you are right.


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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting Rojo (Reply 9):
I would say, when will Spanish owners understand that having an airline in Latin America is risky?

Not if they do things the right way!
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:34 am

Rojo:
Both you and I know that the reason why things go bad for Spanish companies managing Latin American carriers is due to nothing more than BAD MANAGEMENT.
I am not going to go through the list of failed attempts or administration, but most Spanish companies came and will continue to come to Latin America to ma a quick buck, irrespective of the legacy they leave behind!
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 16):
Not if they do things the right way!

It is almost impossible to define "the right way", since each individual will have its own definition...

Some spanish companies still don't understand that operating in Latin America requires a lot of lobbying with the government and unions to get things done...

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 17):
Both you and I know that the reason why things go bad for Spanish companies managing Latin American carriers is due to nothing more than BAD MANAGEMENT.

Agree

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 17):
am not going to go through the list of failed attempts or administration, but most Spanish companies came and will continue to come to Latin America to ma a quick buck, irrespective of the legacy they leave behind!

Some of them are making a fortune, but have too much risk. Example: BBVA in Mexico. Bancomer accounts for more than 1/3 of its profits and if something happens in Mexico, they will be in serious trouble!!!
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 16):
Not if they do things the right way!

Agree 100%

Quoting Rojo (Reply 18):
It is almost impossible to define "the right way", since each individual will have its own definition...

It is my opinion that there is a right way, if you follow it, you'll make profits, if you don't, you'll screw the business. If what you mention is true then why does the MBA exists? Specially Harvard and Darden's which are both a General MBA program.

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 17):
Rojo:
Both you and I know that the reason why things go bad for Spanish companies managing Latin American carriers is due to nothing more than BAD MANAGEMENT.
I am not going to go through the list of failed attempts or administration,

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
It is my opinion that there is a right way, if you follow it, you'll make profits, if you don't, you'll screw the business. If what you mention is true then why does the MBA exists? Specially Harvard and Darden's which are both a General MBA program.

I have many questions about the MBA's... in my opinion they don't give you a recipe to success. I have seen so many MBA graduates fail sending many companies to bankruptcy (specially after the dot-com boom). Others have struggle like the girl in Charge of ZE (Lineas Aereas Azteca). She is the doughter of one of the owners (she is a Harvard MBA graduate) and she still does not know what she is doing...

This is why some CEO fail and others are successful... therefore I don't see a real definition of the right way!!!
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:16 pm

Regarding spare parts, I understand that one of the problems is the lack of engines, specially for the MDs. There is some overhauling to be done, and I don´t know if Marsans group will put the money to maintain these engines until the situation with the Argentine state stabilizes.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 9):
Remember that domestic fares in Argentina have a cap, therefore, AR can not sell above that cap which means that many domestic flights run at a loss

The ticket fares for domestic flights are supposed to be increased by 5-15% as from next Saturday. It´s true, however, that many frequencies run at a loss.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 20):
I have many questions about the MBA's... in my opinion they don't give you a recipe to success. I have seen so many MBA graduates fail sending many companies to bankruptcy (specially after the dot-com boom). Others have struggle like the girl in Charge of ZE (Lineas Aereas Azteca). She is the doughter of one of the owners (she is a Harvard MBA graduate) and she still does not know what she is doing...

This is why some CEO fail and others are successful... therefore I don't see a real definition of the right way!!!

Let´s not go off-topic, guys.

Cheers!
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 20):
I have many questions about the MBA's... in my opinion they don't give you a recipe to success.

No, they don't, but they give you the necessary tools and the way to use them. You will never get a recipe for success, but they give you the elements to make it yourself. You need experience, of course, and common sense, and those don't come along with the MBA. "Lo que natura no da, Salamanca no presta".

I will miss AR's 742's. I grew up "in them" and were my first 747 ride. It would be really nice if AR would donate one of them to the Newberry museum, because it really did mark a new era for AR, and for a lot of people.

Same with the 732. Although the 735 are way much convenient, the 732's did a lot for AR.
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
It is my opinion that there is a right way, if you follow it, you'll make profits, if you don't, you'll screw the business. If what you mention is true then why does the MBA exists? Specially Harvard and Darden's which are both a General MBA program.

Not always. If not, why did Sandy Weill became the CEO of Citibank without one and not his assistant who had an MBA from Harvard and why did he retire and put his lawyer as CEO instead of his portege that had one. MBA´s exist because it is a good way of making money for schools and on the other end they do work sometimes to help people bakcfire their careers or change them completely. But remember Enron and Harvard MBAs. So the MBA doesn´t make you a superhero that imediately can put a business into profits. It is the person that counts and just the person.
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:03 pm

While its sad to see the 742 go, the 744 is an interim step until say 2015. I hope AR buys 787's or A350's and expands their route map. I would say, operate to your destination NONSTOP. JFK, CDG, London or other European cities should be flown nonstop. Flights to Madrid should not have a larger separate airplane like the 744, I know AR fllies 2 Jumbos most days to MAD, maybe AR should fly to MAD 3 or four times daily with a 787. AR should have 20 787.
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting Lanas (Reply 21):
The ticket fares for domestic flights are supposed to be increased by 5-15% as from next Saturday. It´s true, however, that many frequencies run at a loss.

The cap will increase by 5-15%, my friend. The cap is still there. This "fare increase" doesn't really solve anything.

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 17):
Rojo:
Both you and I know that the reason why things go bad for Spanish companies managing Latin American carriers is due to nothing more than BAD MANAGEMENT.
I am not going to go through the list of failed attempts or administration, but most Spanish companies came and will continue to come to Latin America to ma a quick buck, irrespective of the legacy they leave behind!

Right on, my friend!  checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Quoting AR385 (Reply 22):
I will miss AR's 742's. I grew up "in them" and were my first 747 ride. It would be really nice if AR would donate one of them to the Newberry museum, because it really did mark a new era for AR, and for a lot of people.

Same with the 732. Although the 735 are way much convenient, the 732's did a lot for AR.

Both models will be operating AT LEAST till the end of 2007. The 742s will be a backup for the heavies. The 732s will operate regularly, as scheduled.

Quoting Embajador3 (Reply 6):
AR seems to be in a good financial position. They have almost no competition on their market. Furthermore, the powerful Marsans Group is backing them up.

You really seem not to grasp what the reality in AR and in Grupo Marsans is.

Quoting LVICS (Reply 8):
The link I provided after editing my post takes you to the print edition, so I guess it was good yesterday only.
I'm sorry, I didn't "know that what they write is almost always bullshit". Neither I usually read that paper nor have any source to confirm what the article says. The title on the front page caught my eye at the newsstand, I decided I could afford spending AR$ 1,90 to read the story and so I did. After what you said, I don't think I'll ever share something like that here.

Wow, my friend, Marambio didn't go that far. Don't you go that far. Don't misunderstand him. He was only saying that you should not buy what InfoBAE says, as it is owned by a Mercenary "business" (yeah, between inverted commas because it's supposed to have ethics) person that is lobbying Kirchner for financial aid. So, in exchange for that favor, he will publish reports in his favor. That is, saying that AR is crap and that 60% of the fleet is grounded, which is nothing but bull crap. We know it. You know it. That, would cause general discontent, supposedly, and would make the Government come in "as AR's lifesaver". More populist propaganda.

I hate this government.

Quoting SABE (Reply 14):
What I find amazing is that AR finally has more B735s than B732s flying! Yipee!

That is operative 735s  Wink Count those 732s + AUs. ARSA is the biggest 732 operator in the whole world now that DL has retired them completely.

Quoting LVICS (Reply 13):
After reading so many bad things (1 A340 going to Air Plus Comet, New York gone, some aircrafts not flying, etc.)

The A340 thing is not going to happen. Marsans just found out about CONVIASA's frustrated A340-200 deal, now stored at ORY or TLS (don't remember) and that one will go to A7. -ZRA will remain in AR.  bouncy   cheerful 

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
The A340 thing is not going to happen. Marsans just found out about CONVIASA's frustrated A340-200 deal, now stored at ORY or TLS (don't remember) and that one will go to A7. -ZRA will remain in AR

Are you sure about that. My informations says that LV-ZRA is returned to the lessor (Airbus Asset Management) and would go to Air Plus Comet.
 
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Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
The A340 thing is not going to happen.

Hola Gaston!
This is great news you are giving! I thought the A340 going to Air Plus was a done deal??

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:35 am

My parents are returning from EZE next sunday and the flight AR1110 (A342) was cancelled because of "Technical problems" ( ten days before the flight!).
So, they are flying on a early (daytime) flight same day.

In my opinion, AR need at least one more A340.


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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 26):
Are you sure about that. My informations says that LV-ZRA is returned to the lessor (Airbus Asset Management) and would go to Air Plus Comet.

If your "information" is Skyliner, it's wrong. AR officials have told me that ZRA will not leave AR... and it's engines will not leave FRA...  rotfl  (people that know what's going on with -ZRA understand what I'm saying).

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:34 pm

According to another page, Mr Mata has a sold off 30% of his stake in Air Plus sister company of AR.
The chunk of this has been bought by Pascual and Diaz for the amount of 30 million Euros.

What implications could this have for AR?

Could it mean that the thorn (Mr Mata) has been removed and AR along with Air Plus can continue to do serious business?
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
Wow, my friend, Marambio didn't go that far. Don't you go that far.



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
He was only saying that you should not buy what InfoBAE says

If you think I overreacted, please accept my apologies. Anyway, I think Marambio was a bit harsh and there was no need for that. I just posted some news I read. Neither I bought them nor I did not. I found those news sort of shocking and, as I said before, not having any source to confirm or deny them, I thought this was a good place to share and to get some feedback. In the end, that's what I was looking for.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
I hate this government.

Couldn't agree more!

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
The A340 thing is not going to happen. Marsans just found out about CONVIASA's frustrated A340-200 deal, now stored at ORY or TLS (don't remember) and that one will go to A7. -ZRA will remain in AR.

Really glad to know that.
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
Marsans just found out about CONVIASA's frustrated A340-200 deal, now stored at ORY or TLS (don't remember) and that one will go to A7

There goes Hugo's widebody... maybe he cancelled the deal in order to get some "nice" IL-96's just like his lover, Fidel.

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Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:44 am

One question.

If Marsans decided to retire from Aerolineas. What will happen to the A330 order? they will get any?

Because, the order was made by Marsans Group, not by AR, right?


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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:21 pm

The only aircraft in the AR-AU fleet I know to be out of service for unscheduled reasons are:

-A342 LV-ZRA (@ EZE)
-B742s LV-MLR, OEP (@ EZE)
-M81 LV-WFN (@ AEP)
-M83 LV-BEG (@ AEP)

Other aircraft not flying all seem to be in maintenance.

The state of AR's 742s and retired 732s can be accurately summed-up as follows:


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The only retired aircraft that is anywhere near preservation is the 732 LV-LEB, retired in 2004, which I believe is hangared in BHI. The rest are in various stages of decomposition, and will most likely be scrapped.

As a side note, look closely at the photo of LV-OEP: Do you see that large disassembled wing on the ground behind the undercarriage and the huge flap fairings on the right of the photograph? I don't wish to speculate, but it could it not be that LV-MLO has finally been scrapped?

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:00 am

Hi I was last week departing EZE and saw a 747-200 of AR parked at the unused runway. It was dark so was not able to check if it was MLO, but most likely it was.
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Lima (Reply 35):
Hi I was last week departing EZE and saw a 747-200 of AR parked at the unused runway. It was dark so was not able to check if it was MLO, but most likely it was.

Hola Sebastián,

Was that plane in the old "vincha" livery? If it was, then it was MLO as it's the ONLY 742 to be in the old colors. Otherwise, it could've been MLR or OEP, or even one of the A7-leased Jumbos.

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:56 pm

Hi,

What Sebastián saw was LV-MLO. Apart from this, LV-OEP is being prepared for a test flight after receiving the engines from sister LV-OPA (just arrived last week from MAD, returned to lessor -AR- by Air Plus Comet). It arrived with spanish registration.
 
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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:30 pm

I thought MLO was parked at Chivatos.

Quoting Argentina (Reply 37):
It arrived with spanish registration.

Former EC-JJG with Air Plus Comet.

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RE: 60% Of AR Aircrafts Inoperable.

Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:49 am

Quoting Lanas (Reply 38):
I thought MLO was parked at Chivatos.

It was... Actually it was parked at RWY 05 together with LV-LIV, LV-JMX and LV-JMW, then in Chivatos with those three chanchas and now in RWY 05 again, but alone...
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