emseeeye
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Southwest Used 727's?

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:25 am

I searched the discussions and found nothing but going through the photo database I came across a pic of a WN 727. Most of the other pics that come up are from 1984. I did ask my Father - I was too young at the time - and he says he remembers flying on one of them in the early 80's.

I'm guessing they used these 727's due to aircraft availability but I may be wrong. Anyone have any insight? I think this is interesting.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?id=0084477
 
Newark777
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RE: Southwest Used 727's?

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting EmSeeEye (Thread starter):

I'm guessing they used these 727's due to aircraft availability but I may be wrong. Anyone have any insight? I think this is interesting.

Well, it says in the caption that it was leased from People Express, so that's a start.

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RE: Southwest Used 727's?

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:27 am

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MEA-707
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RE: Southwest Used 727's?

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:34 am

They leased 727s twice;
In 1979 they leased N406BN from Braniff
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In 1983/1984 they leased N551PE
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N561PE
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N563PE
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, N564PE
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, N566PE
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Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.

and N569PE (no picture) from People Express
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goingboeing
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RE: Southwest Used 727's?

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting EmSeeEye (Thread starter):
I'm guessing they used these 727's due to aircraft availability but I may be wrong. Anyone have any insight? I think this is interesting.

They used 727's for a short while because they got one from Braniff in settlement of a lawsuit. They didn't lease it from them.
 
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RE: Southwest Used 727's?

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:44 am

Southwest has utilized 727-200s on two separate occasions:

N406BN 291 19991/521 N7276F 03/79 01/80

This was a "Basic" 727-200 leased from Braniff (v1.0) and it was related to a court settlement at the time. Southwest wanted to try another sized aircraft to see how much it might it might impact the 10-minute turn that was the standard (for the 118-seat 737-200s) at the time. The 727-200 was configured to 155 seats, and the turn times took longer. Personally, I think they did this as a test in anticipation of the 737-300s, which were under development around this time.

Southwest went ahead and ordered the 737-300 (137-seats), and the first ones started showing up in November 1984. The following "ADVanced" 727-200s were all leased frrom PeoplExpress, and were used for 12-24 months to provide additional capacity until a sufficient number of new 737-300s could be delivered. The color scheme on these were a little bit different than N406BN, but they also held 155 seats.


N551PE 227(A) 20772/982 551 N426BN 02/84 02/85
N561PE 227(A) 21043/1113 561 N436BN 08/83 08/85
N563PE 227(A) 21045/1133 563 N438BN 05/84 10/85
N564PE 227(A) 21118/1167 564 N439BN 08/83 08/85
N566PE 227(A) 21242/1196 566 N441BN 05/84 10/85
N569PE 227(A) 21245/1202 569 N444BN 05/84 09/85
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emseeeye
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RE: Southwest Used 727's?

Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
Southwest has utilized 727-200s on two separate occasions:

N406BN 291 19991/521 N7276F 03/79 01/80

This was a "Basic" 727-200 leased from Braniff (v1.0) and it was related to a court settlement at the time. Southwest wanted to try another sized aircraft to see how much it might it might impact the 10-minute turn that was the standard (for the 118-seat 737-200s) at the time. The 727-200 was configured to 155 seats, and the turn times took longer. Personally, I think they did this as a test in anticipation of the 737-300s, which were under development around this time.

Southwest went ahead and ordered the 737-300 (137-seats), and the first ones started showing up in November 1984. The following "ADVanced" 727-200s were all leased frrom PeoplExpress, and were used for 12-24 months to provide additional capacity until a sufficient number of new 737-300s could be delivered. The color scheme on these were a little bit different than N406BN, but they also held 155 seats.


N551PE 227(A) 20772/982 551 N426BN 02/84 02/85
N561PE 227(A) 21043/1113 561 N436BN 08/83 08/85
N563PE 227(A) 21045/1133 563 N438BN 05/84 10/85
N564PE 227(A) 21118/1167 564 N439BN 08/83 08/85
N566PE 227(A) 21242/1196 566 N441BN 05/84 10/85
N569PE 227(A) 21245/1202 569 N444BN 05/84 09/85

Thanks for the info!

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