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Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:14 pm

Dragonair has announced it will be cancelling services to Bangkok with effect from September 27. The decision has been taken for commercial reasons.

Full info available at http://en.carnoc.com/list/0/982.html

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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:49 pm

The Commercial reason being they are now owned by Cathay Pacific and CX dont want them there... I can expect Tokyo to go bye bye soon.
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:59 pm

According to Dragonair the cancellation is due to the lack of demand.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
According to Dragonair the cancellation is due to the lack of demand.

I suspect it has more to do with CX operating on the sector, as well as:

1. Air Asia and numerous other LCC's
2. A number of foreign carriers serving the route, including.

China Airlines
Emirates
Ethiopian Airlines
Gulf Air
Kenya Airways
Pakistan International Airlines
Sri Lankan Airlines
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:07 pm

doesnt Dragonair also fly to SYD? if so then I would expect CX to take them out of that route too.

CX will make dragonair focus on its core routes which are HKG-China, HKG-DAC etc.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:13 pm

I have a feeling that CX are going to take over their international services in a years time, they already do operate to all of them with the exception of Dhaka, Kota Kinabalu plus Bandar Seri Begawan, the latter two being code share.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:42 pm

Or maybe they will make Dragonair what Silkair is for Singapore Airlines.
As the smallest aircraft of Cathay is the A-330-300, they might want to use Dragonairs narrowbodies on lighter routes to secundairy cities in South east Asia, like Vientiane, Chiang Mai, Cebu, Kaoshiung, Yangon etc while their own A-330s will continue to go to the big Chinese routes.
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
doesnt Dragonair also fly to SYD? if so then I would expect CX to take them out of that route too.

They had plans to fly to SYD but everything is put on hold. Doubt they will start HKG-SYD anytime soon, if ever
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 3):
2. A number of foreign carriers serving the route, including.

China Airlines
Emirates
Ethiopian Airlines
Gulf Air
Kenya Airways
Pakistan International Airlines
Sri Lankan Airlines

Just want to add a few more:

Orient Thai
Thai Sky
Air India
and of course the obvious:
Thai

There is approx. 5000 seats a day.....No wonder Dragonair is getting out.

But it brings up another question....

How many other city-pairs have 10+ airlines serving the route? I can't think of any others?
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:03 am

Expect Dragonair to have their fleet used as part of Cathay's soon. If say a certain flight to Shanghai is overbooked then they can put a 777-300 on the flight....if a CX flight is particularly empty, then they can put an A320 on it. They are going to treat all the planes as being part of the same fleet....not 'them' and 'us'.

Once things have settled down a bit, and route intergration and sales and marketing are brought together, we can expect Dragonair to gain more passengers, fed by Cathay, and launch new routes and relaunch older ones like Phuket, which is expected to be one of the first 'new' routes to benefit from the takeover.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
number of foreign carriers serving the route



Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
Orient Thai
Thai Sky
Air India
and of course the obvious:
Thai

OK, add AI and AY to the list...

Orient Thai, Thai Sky and TG are not "foreign carriers" on the BKK-HKG sector...
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
Orient Thai, Thai Sky and TG are not "foreign carriers" on the BKK-HKG sector

I know...I was illustrating the heavy competition on the route.
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:47 pm

Or perhaps, KA doesn't want to move shop to the new airport whenever that opens. Whenever it does, there will the enough problems, that KA doesn't want to deal with angry/frustrated, etc. pax.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:44 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
How many other city-pairs have 10+ airlines serving the route? I can't think of any others?

Taking City Pairs LON -NYC has EOS, Maxjet,CO, UA, AA, AI, KU, BA, VS, DL.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting MRURUN (Reply 13):
Taking City Pairs LON -NYC has EOS, Maxjet,CO, UA, AA, AI, KU, BA, VS, DL.

You can't count both UA and DL as Delta is the route over from United. But 9 is a lot anyhow, and isn't there a new business class airline that is looking to start-up flights into EWR?
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 9):
launch new routes and relaunch older ones like Phuket, which is expected to be one of the first 'new' routes to benefit from the takeover.

What new routes or relaunched old ones are rumored to be coming along in the near future? Phuket would be wonderful, but what else?
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
How many other city-pairs have 10+ airlines serving the route? I can't think of any others?

BKK-SIN

3K - Jetstar
AY - Finnair
BG - Biman Bangladesh
CX - Cathay Pacific
FD - Thai Air Asia
GA - Garuda Indonesia
LX - Swiss
SQ - Singapore Airlines
TG - Thai Airways
TR - Tiger Airways

That's 10. SK/TK/VF recently ended their flights.
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
What new routes or relaunched old ones are rumored to be coming along in the near future? Phuket would be wonderful, but what else?

Thats the only one I can put a name to at the moment I'm afraid. The company are being very tight lipped about this whole process as they are waiting for final shareholder approval in many different areas of the takeover before the slowly release more details.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:29 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 9):
Expect Dragonair to have their fleet used as part of Cathay's soon. If say a certain flight to Shanghai is overbooked then they can put a 777-300 on the flight....if a CX flight is particularly empty, then they can put an A320 on it. They are going to treat all the planes as being part of the same fleet....not 'them' and 'us'.

If that is the plan, I hope CX plans to upgrade KA's premium cabins to CX standards. If I bought a J class ticket on CX and find myself on a KA single aisle Airbus, I'd not be a happy camper. Seeing as KA's F seats are essentially identical to CX's longhaul J seats, the problem is even bigger for F passengers.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:21 pm

Will the Dragonair name remain after the takeover or will it totally be integrated/ absorbed into Cathay. If it is to be separate, how extensive a chinese network do they have and will they join OneWorld?? Just very interested since I was in HKG a few days ago for the first time!

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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:51 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 19):
how extensive a chinese network do they have

 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 19):
Will the Dragonair name remain after the takeover or will it totally be integrated/ absorbed into Cathay. If it is to be separate, how extensive a chinese network do they have and will they join OneWorld?? Just very interested since I was in HKG a few days ago for the first time!

Under the agreement, the Dragonair name and brand must be maintained for six years.
After that, who knows.

They may come up with an SQ/Silkair arrangement, and keep the two brands.
The KA brand is very strong, and would also make it easier for other carriers to use it to feed from HKG to China.

Product wise it would be easier as well.
KA maintains just an A320/A330 fleet with a regional config if sectors are less than 3-4 hours, while CX redeploys to medium/long haul destinations.

I can see CX taking over PEK and PVG only, and leaving the rest to KA!
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:11 pm

They cancel because their don´t having demand cause there are many airlines covering that rout.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:47 pm

How are KA's services to Bandar Seri Begwan and Urumqi doing? Do they have local traffic rights between Shenyang and Dalian? Are there any new routes in the pipelines?
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:38 am

Bandar Seri Begwan is only a code share destination on Royal Brunei flights, Urumqi is only served as a seasonal scheduled charter route.

Dhaka is the only non Far East market in their passenger network making it an oddity, it should go to CX.
 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting PresRDC (Reply 18):
If that is the plan, I hope CX plans to upgrade KA's premium cabins to CX standards. If I bought a J class ticket on CX and find myself on a KA single aisle Airbus, I'd not be a happy camper.

Last time I was on an ORBC configured CX 772, it was nothing to write home about. Lousy PTV that wouldn't stay straight, broken recline meaning it would recline automatically etc.

Not a big deal on regionals I'm afraid. It isn't exactly often you find a NBC 744/340/333 on CX regionals
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 16):
BKK-SIN

3K - Jetstar
AY - Finnair
BG - Biman Bangladesh
CX - Cathay Pacific
FD - Thai Air Asia
GA - Garuda Indonesia
LX - Swiss
SQ - Singapore Airlines
TG - Thai Airways
TR - Tiger Airways

That's 10. SK/TK/VF recently ended their flights.

ALSO:
RA flies Monday RA413 KTM-BKK-SIN
(the return as RA414 flies nonstop back to KTM)

I see the RA 757 (mostly 9N-ACA) during my nightshifts.
It comes in around 0230am and departs as early as 0400am

 
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RE: Dragonair To Cancel Services To Bangkok

Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 25):
Last time I was on an ORBC configured CX 772, it was nothing to write home about. Lousy PTV that wouldn't stay straight, broken recline meaning it would recline automatically etc.

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. The seat recline would not have been acceptable and would have beena safety issue which the engineers would have rectified at the next stop, otherwise the seat would not have been sold. Unfortunately things break...this is true of all airlines and you were unlucky enough to have it break whilst sitting on it. I assume they tried to reseat you?