haggis79
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All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:49 pm

I just found a note in my recent flying blue newsletter, that Air France has moved all flights from and to the US at CDG to Terminal 2E now. I did a check on their online flight plans and found that news confirmed - I checked some flights I had previously been on or are scheduled to be on soon which I know to have been scheduled to depart/arrive at terminal 2C, and all of them have been moved to 2E.

I think that's really sad, I prefer 2C way over 2E - it's just a real terminal as opposed to that interim solution 2E constitutes in its current shape. Plus, most of the times I need to connect to (or from) a Schengen flight leaving from or arriving at 2D, so when I'm on a tight connection the probability to make the connection is much higher when connecting to or from 2C. Does anyone know why they changed that and how the situation is gonna develop once Sattelite S3 is finished?
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:03 pm

It is going to reduce the congestion in peak hours, which is IMO worth such an interim solution until Aérogare 2E is fully rebuilt.
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haggis79
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:14 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 1):
It is going to reduce the congestion in peak hours, which is IMO worth such an interim solution until Aérogare 2E is fully rebuilt.

I'm not too sure about that.... as far as I understand, the number of actual flights from 2E and 2C haven't changed... they just moved all AF US flights to 2E and instead some others (as far as I can see esp. Middle East and Middle America) to 2C....
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:52 pm

all US flight except DTW and CVG
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:51 pm

The reason is specific security screenings for flights to the US. Doing the additional screenings in the jetways in 2C was apparently a huge burden. So having (most) flights centralized in 2E is a good choice. Similarly, in 2F2, flights to the UK now board by bus via the bus gates, with a secondary security screening at the top of the escalators, before going down to the bus gates.

As for S3, it will definitely be an improvement, but its opening will be phased between Spring and Fall 2007, slightly behind schedule, so CDG will still be missing one terminal with respect to their original plans. CDG 2E should be fully re-opened for Summer 2008, at the time when CDG 2G, a regional aircraft terminal opens. So, 2008 should be a good year for CDG. And S4 is looming on the horizon, ADP wants it for 2012, and AF for 2010 ...
 
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:08 am

Jouy31, thanks for your reply  Smile.

Is there any information/speculation out yet, which flights will be moved to S3? Also, how is S3 going to be connected to the existing terminals? Just be extension of the airside bus route?

Btw, is it possible to clear security and passport control in 2C or 2B and then taking the airside bus to 2E when departing from there?
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 5):
Is there any information/speculation out yet, which flights will be moved to S3? Also, how is S3 going to be connected to the existing terminals? Just be extension of the airside bus route?


Well, looking at the big picture, 2F2 which is currently a non-Schengen terminal should one day become a Schengen terminal, just like 2F1. (Interestingly, 2B was one half Schengen / one half non-Schengen terminal before the roof collapse in 2E, on the verge of becoming a fully Schengen terminal, like 2D - and it quickly reverted to a fully non-Schengen terminal   ). S3 is supposed to manage both Schengen and non-Schengen flights, both medium-haul and long-haul flights. In any case, I understand that the first A380 to use CDG2 will use the S3 gates. I guess once S3, 2G and 2E are fully operational, AF will leave 2A and 2B (move originally scheduled for 2006 ..), and later on, 2C and 2D: the "great leap eastward" for AF. The 2F/2E/S3/S4/2G combination should become a very efficient and successful hub for AF.

I suppose there will be an extension to the airside bus. But S3 should be connected to 2E, at the isthmus building, via an airside VAL line, and to 2F via simple moving walkways, in an airy gallery, similar to the ones connecting the TGV/RER station to 2C, 2D, 2E and 2F.

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 5):
Btw, is it possible to clear security and passport control in 2C or 2B and then taking the airside bus to 2E when departing from there?

I am afraid ADP has a regulation similar to BAA's which forces you to clear immigration upon departure in the terminal your flight leaves from. In any case, you would need to clear security when arriving in the departures area of any CDG terminal, like in FCO, MXP or LHR, which is different from what you can experience in AMS.

Hope it helps  Smile

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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:59 am

I just checked my own flights:

AF 83 SFO-CDG arriving CDG on 1 Nov
AF 84 CDG-SFO on 12 Nov

Both are still showing 2C. This is the case on both Air France's website and on ADP's website.
 
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:09 am

Either they have not updated the information for the winter season, or they may still have changes planned at that time (October 29th)
 
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:42 am

Jouy31

Merci pour ces infos. Very helpful, a lot of stuff I didn't know.

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 4):
As for S3, it will definitely be an improvement, but its opening will be phased between Spring and Fall 2007, slightly behind schedule,

As usual with ADP. They really spare no effort to retain their title as "worst managed airport company in the Western world"



Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 4):
And S4 is looming on the horizon, ADP wants it for 2012, and AF for 2010 ...

The last time a terminal was finished in a rush, its roof collapsed nine months later. Not a good idea.

Quoting Jouy31 (Reply 6):
Well, looking at the big picture, 2F2 which is currently a non-Schengen terminal should one day become a Schengen terminal, just like 2F1. (Interestingly, 2B was one half Schengen / one half non-Schengen terminal before the roof collapse in 2E, on the verge of becoming a fully Schengen terminal, like 2D - and it quickly reverted to a fully non-Schengen terminal ). S3 is supposed to manage both Schengen and non-Schengen flights, both medium-haul and long-haul flights. In any case, I understand that the first A380 to use CDG2 will use the S3 gates. I guess once S3, 2G and 2E are fully operational, AF will leave 2A and 2B (move originally scheduled for 2006 ..), and later on, 2C and 2D: the "great leap eastward" for AF. The 2F/2E/S3/S4/2G combination should become a very efficient and successful hub for AF.

I suppose there will be an extension to the airside bus. But S3 should be connected to 2E, at the isthmus building, via an airside VAL line, and to 2F via simple moving walkways, in an airy gallery, similar to the ones connecting the TGV/RER station to 2C, 2D, 2E and 2F.

Is there anywhere one can see a plan of the future construction and who will use them?
 
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:02 am

There is some information about S3 on the ADP web site, as well as a huge (348 pages) document prepared for the possible privatization of ADP on the AMF (Autorite des Marches Financiers) web site (no direct link is possible for regulatory reasons, but you can find it easily), which details the forecasted ADP investments, including CDG4 in 2016.
 
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:35 pm

Quoting Mozart (Reply 9):
The last time a terminal was finished in a rush, its roof collapsed nine months later. Not a good idea.

I agree that bringing forward the opening of a satellite under construction such as S3 would be hazardous. In the case of S4, it is more a budget problem. No actual construction work has started, and as for planning, S4 should be very similar to S3.
 
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:03 pm

In other words, tranferring at CDG will still suck. No change there then. I avoid CDG transfers, along with LHR and MXP, the worst 3 airports in Europe for transfers. ADP designed CDG for people arriving at or departing from Paris - a very Parisian attitude. Everyone else is either foreign or (worse) from "les provinces", and therefore unworthy of convenience or service.
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RE: All AF Flights To The US Now From Terminal 2E@CDG

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 7):
I just checked my own flights:

AF 83 SFO-CDG arriving CDG on 1 Nov
AF 84 CDG-SFO on 12 Nov

Both are still showing 2C. This is the case on both Air France's website and on ADP's website.

your inbound AF83 may still arrive at 2C but your return flight AF84 to SFO will sure depart from 2E. As said by Jobalas, all flights departing or the US have moved to 2E except CVG and DTW

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