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Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:41 am

Press Release Source: Northwest Airlines

Northwest to Fly Grand Rapids - New York Nonstop

Thursday September 7, 11:21 am ET

Largest U.S. city to become Northwest's newest nonstop destination from Grand Rapids

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich., Sept. 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Northwest Airlines today announced that it will begin offering its first nonstop service between Grand Rapids' Gerald R. Ford International Airport and New York's LaGuardia Airport, beginning Nov. 1, 2006.

"Our large and loyal customer base in Grand Rapids will now have a nonstop option to New York on Northwest, enabling them to earn WorldPerks frequent flyer miles," said Phil Haan, executive vice president of international, alliances and information technology at Northwest Airlines and chairman of NWA Cargo.

"Northwest's comprehensive network, convenient and reliable schedules, competitive fares and hassle-free hub airports have made us the leading choice of travelers in Grand Rapids, the state of Michigan and throughout the Heartland of America," Haan added.

The new flight will be operated by Northwest Airlink partner Pinnacle Airlines with a 50-seat Canadair Regional Jet (CRJ).

Grand Rapids is Northwest's second largest Michigan market. The airline offers an all-jet service schedule of up to 18 flights from Grand Rapids, including eight to Northwest's Detroit WorldGateway hub, five to its hub at Minneapolis/St. Paul and one to its Memphis, Tenn. hub. Northwest also offers Grand Rapids' only daily nonstop service to Washington, as well as seasonal service from Grand Rapids to Las Vegas, Orlando and Tampa, Fla., providing the only nonstop service between Grand Rapids and those popular destinations.

Customers currently holding tickets for travel Nov. 1 or beyond on connecting itineraries from Grand Rapids to New York will be able to change to Northwest's new nonstop service without paying an administrative change fee, provided changes are made by Sept. 30, 2006.

"I am pleased that Northwest Airlines will add a new, direct service between Grand Rapids and New York's LaGuardia Airport," said Congressman Vernon J. Ehlers, R-Grand Rapids. "Providing this point-to-point service will be a boon to travelers from West Michigan who want to visit the Big Apple, as well as serving as a faster and more efficient link for business travelers between these two areas."

NORTHWEST HAS BEEN SERVING MICHIGAN SINCE 1945

Northwest is the number one carrier in the state of Michigan, serving a total of 13 cities, including Detroit, Alpena, Flint, Grand Rapids, Houghton/Hancock Kalamazoo, Lansing, Marquette, Muskegon, Pellston, Saginaw/Bay City, Sault Ste. Marie and Traverse City - along with its Northwest Airlink partners. Northwest is the leading airline in all of these cities.

BONUS FREQUENT FLYER MILES FOR FLYING NEW GRAND RAPIDS-NEW YORK NONSTOP

Northwest is offering 1,000 bonus miles through its WorldPerks frequent flyer program for travel on the airline's new service between Grand Rapids and New York. The 1,000 bonus miles are being awarded for each of up to three roundtrip flights on a paid ticket between Nov. 1 and Feb. 14, 2007. Registration, which is required prior to travel, as well as ticketing, must occur no later than Feb. 14, 2007.

WorldPerks membership is required to participate. Instant online enrollment is available at http://www.nwa.com/cgi-bin/wp_enroll.pro . Registration for the bonus mile offer and a complete list of terms and conditions about this offer are available at http://www.nwa.com/offers/grrlga/ .

Northwest's new Grand Rapids-New York service will be available for sale beginning Saturday, Sept. 9 via the Internet at http://www.nwa.com , by telephone at Northwest Airlines Reservations at 1-800-225-2525, or through travel agencies.



New Grand Rapids - New York Service*

Flight number: Departs: Arrives:

NW 4750 8:00 a.m. 10:00 a.m.
*Operates daily except Sunday

New New York - Grand Rapids Service*

Flight number: Departs: Arrives:

NW 4751 5:35 p.m. 7:42 p.m.
*Operates daily except Saturday


Northwest Airlines (OTC: NWACQ - News) is the world's fifth largest airline with hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Memphis, Tokyo and Amsterdam, and approximately 1,400 daily departures. Northwest is a member of SkyTeam, an airline alliance that offers customers one of the world's most extensive global networks. Northwest and its travel partners serve more than 900 cities in excess of 160 countries on six continents.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:45 am

Interesting.....think this is to drive out a possible JetBlue destination?
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:08 am

Interesting NWA is adding this flight. American Eagle went from 2x to 1x per day GRR-LGA.... Guess NWA knows something AA doesn't.

See that NWA lists Las Vegas as "seasonal" with MCO and TPA. Guess that means LAS will be returning and not cancelled all together in November like some thought.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:19 am

That's funny, GRR has had non-stop service to NYC (via EWR) for a few years already. Many people have pointed out that EWR, though in a different city & state, is really NYC!! And American Eagle flies between the GRR and LGA already, so what's the big deal?
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:34 am

Interesting choice. With the (in my opinion over) saturated (for GRR market) service GRR-NYC this is potentially a wall against B6 whom would only logically serve GRR-JFK should that rumor ever be put to rest on if they will enter the market.

The MQ flight to 1x daily is a sign that they are not cancelling it altogether. Look at the flipside, from GRR as the origin NW will pull the more loyal customer base. From LGA, MQ will pull the more loyal customer base. CO's EWR has plenty of feed options at 2x daily, though the later flight is a little less beneficial on the connections.

NW will do well on the route, however, the NW elite members are possibly noticing a lot more single-cabin aircraft. DCA, 2x MSP, MEM goes back and forth on mainline or Mesaba.

This may be the last nudge to get MQ off of the route.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:04 am

What, you mean NW is actually starting a p2p route from Michigan WITHOUT LCC competition  Wow! ? I'm shocked, really  Silly .
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 4):
This may be the last nudge to get MQ off of the route.

I agree. I think this is aimed much more at American Eagle than any potential new entrant (JetBlue or otherwise). Northwest probably doesn't want Eagle in its backyard (Michigan) overflying its largest hub (Detroit).
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
I agree. I think this is aimed much more at American Eagle than any potential new entrant (JetBlue or otherwise). Northwest probably doesn't want Eagle in its backyard (Michigan) overflying its largest hub (Detroit).

Right on, further I think this a strategy of sorts for the markets where NW is being strategically territorial. Two recent examples are:

-LAN-IAD/DCA with the now-defunct Independence Air, and then removing the service when the heat cooled.

-I think it is interesting that @ FNT NW has really been standoffish to FL's routes to MCO and ATL. In my opinion, they see this as a battle they would lose. A nice B717 would be superior to any frame in the NW or regional fleet. Where FlyI and MQ they can compete.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:14 am

Does this mean that NW now serves DTW/MSP/MEM/IND/MKE/GRR nonstop from LGA?
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:19 am

Whatever happened to Flint? All the automotive businesses now use Flint, and as a consultant, will not go to DTW - do I now have to drive to Grand Rapids? Used to be the other way around here (forget Lansing, yep, state capital, but no worthwhile service)

So, can I now drive to GRR and fly to Singapore?
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 8):
Does this mean that NW now serves DTW/MSP/MEM/IND/MKE/GRR nonstop from LGA?

Yes. Funny thing is NW has a lot of LGA slots that I believe they have leased (or maybe now sold) to US.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:20 am

GRR Airport has not done much if at all to attract or work with LCC's to enter the market.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 11):
GRR Airport has not done much if at all to attract or work with LCC's to enter the market.

Agreed. They say they "are in discussions with new carriers" but how serious, I don't know. I even went to a few of the public board meetings.

In my opinion, they need a shake up. Parking competition, LCC entrance, common-use efficiencies, single security checkpoint (11 gates total for crying out loud - why do we have two security checkpoints) all need to happen to better position the market to attract new service.

They do too many things the hard (expensive) way.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:15 am

GRR is not nearly as pleasant an airport as FNT, nor is it as close to automotive world Oakland county - not really sure where the GRR thrust from NWA is coming from
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 13):
GRR is not nearly as pleasant an airport as FNT, nor is it as close to automotive world Oakland county - not really sure where the GRR thrust from NWA is coming from

Who flies from an airport because of the the "pleasantness?" I don't think GRR is that bad. It isn't like you're living in the terminal anyway. NW has a large customer base in the Western Michigan area. It is also a "Heartland" market, something NW loves. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there are any geniuses over there at Building A, but they must see something; what airline starts a new route just to say they do it? NW is hardly an exhibitionist airline.

Quoting B4real (Reply 7):
-LAN-IAD/DCA with the now-defunct Independence Air, and then removing the service when the heat cooled.

Is the GRR-DCA route supposed to be cut? It is still going now.

[Edited 2006-09-08 02:31:34]
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:31 am

NW, back to their old tricks....Which they never really quit doing anyway.
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 8):
Does this mean that NW now serves DTW/MSP/MEM/IND/MKE/GRR nonstop from LGA?

No, Northwest dumped their 3x MKE-LGA RJ service nearly a year ago.

In addition to the flights to the three hubs, NW will have 1x to GRR and 4x to IND. Not sure if the IND flights will be all-RJ or still have a mainline flight or two dovetailed in. Northwest's D9S flights from Indy to LGA and DCA carried relatively light loads most months.

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 13):
GRR is not nearly as pleasant an airport as FNT, nor is it as close to automotive world Oakland county - not really sure where the GRR thrust from NWA is coming from

Grand Rapids is one of the largest markets left with zero low-fare service in the NW universe. Metro Grand Rapids has more than 1 million people. Population alone doesn't generate traffic, of course. Consider that metro GRR and metro RDU have similar metro population bases. But Grand Rapids isn't tiny, and Northwest pretty much owns it.
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 16):
Grand Rapids is one of the largest markets left with zero low-fare service in the NW universe. Metro Grand Rapids has more than 1 million people. Population alone doesn't generate traffic, of course. Consider that metro GRR and metro RDU have similar metro population bases. But Grand Rapids isn't tiny, and Northwest pretty much owns it.

To expand on this further, here are Consolidated Statistical Area populations for GRR and a few other comparable places. CSA's are how the census bureau shows adjacent metropolitan and micropolitan areas they consider to function as one unit.

http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t29/tab08.pdf

1,254,661 Grand Rapids
1,314,589 Raleigh
1,283,856 Greensboro
1,292,482 Louisville
1,381,278 Nashville
1,360,463 New Orleans
1,131,543 Rochester NY
1,085,094 Dayton

Certainly population alone doesn't correlate directly with air travel demand, and these CSA's definitions are somewhat subjective. But GRR serves more people than many would realize.
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 13):
not really sure where the GRR thrust from NWA is coming from

Kind of an insurance of sorts - protect the good yielding market.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 14):
Who flies from an airport because of the the "pleasantness?"

That is an important factor to me!

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 14):
I don't think GRR is that bad.

No, it is not bad, but it could be better. Just to be clear, I may never be completely satisfied.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 14):
Is the GRR-DCA route supposed to be cut? It is still going now.

No. It is, the cut was an example for LAN.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:20 pm

"I agree. I think this is aimed much more at American Eagle than any potential new entrant (JetBlue or otherwise). Northwest probably doesn't want Eagle in its backyard (Michigan) overflying its largest hub (Detroit)."

I don't know about driving MQ off the route that easily. They have been serving the route for years.

And quite frankly, who in NY is going to know that NW flies this route? NW has a near zero presence in NYC. They share a terminal with DL. They have a token presence at best at JFK and EWR. They don't fly nonstop to any of the big markets that are served from NYC: Florida, California, Europe, the Carib, Asia, S. America.

AA has a huge FF base in NYC because it serves all of those markets from JFK, LGA and EWR.

NW may be stronger in Michigan but that doesn't mean much to the 16 million people on the other end who don't know anything about NW.

Also, keep in mind, NW and AA run the LGA-DTW route rather peacefully with each other.

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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:27 am

Its nice see NW do something to help midwesterners avoid DTW. Its a great airport, don't get me wrong, but I'm happy to see more p2p service. Was there a grant or any kid of subsidy to help start the route? We've got the SCASD grant down here in TOL for NYC service, wonder if NW would be in the running for TOL-LGA?

OTOH, part of me suspects that NW did it for nefarious reasons... lol
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 19):
They have been serving the route for years.

American Eagle launched GRR-LGA only about a year ago as part of their build-up of LaGuardia flights to smaller markets that they have added in the past year - Des Moines, Madison, Halifax, and Jacksonville.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 20):
wonder if NW would be in the running for TOL-LGA?

After the announcement of GRR-LGA I thought the same thing. However, methinks they won't "over fly" DTW to run TOL-LGA a few times a day. It would totally go against their philosophy of not flying TOL-MSP because that would be "over flying" DTW. They would rather funnel passengers through DTW. Would be nice to see NW jets back here though.  Smile
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:44 am

I USAirways still flying out of GRR? Or did they drop them when they drop TOL and several other cities out of PIT? I thought they did N/S to PHL.
I could be wrong.

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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 23):
I USAirways still flying out of GRR? Or did they drop them when they drop TOL and several other cities out of PIT? I thought they did N/S to PHL.
I could be wrong.

US pulled out of Grand Rapids. IIRC, the flights ended fall 2005.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Des Moines, Madison, Halifax, and Jacksonville.

Anyone know how those are doing? DSM has good loads from what I can tell. If the yields are good enough a second LGA flight would be awesome if they have anymore slots.
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 25):
Anyone know how those are doing? DSM has good loads from what I can tell. If the yields are good enough a second LGA flight would be awesome if they have anymore slots.

They are doing fine, but there are absolutley no plans to add frequencies. That would likely dilute yields because the markets are too thin in the first place.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 25):
Anyone know how those are doing? DSM has good loads from what I can tell. If the yields are good enough a second LGA flight would be awesome if they have anymore slots.

They are doing fine, but there are absolutley no plans to add frequencies. That would likely dilute yields because the markets are too thin in the first place.

Does that flight ever take weight penalties?
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:31 am

"Anyone know how those are doing? DSM has good loads from what I can tell. If the yields are good enough a second LGA flight would be awesome if they have anymore slots."

The flights are great. But no additional flights coming. They have to spread their slots around. Each new flight added is one taken away from another city.

"American Eagle launched GRR-LGA only about a year ago as part of their build-up of LaGuardia flights to smaller markets that they have added in the past year - Des Moines, Madison, Halifax, and Jacksonville."

I'm pretty sure they served it seasonal for longer than that. Madison and Des Moines were added in the spring. Jax just started. Halifax was just announced. GRR was served long before it.

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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 28):
GRR was served long before it.

LGA-GRR has been active since June 9, 2005.
 
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 28):
I'm pretty sure they served it seasonal for longer than that. Madison and Des Moines were added in the spring. Jax just started. Halifax was just announced. GRR was served long before it.

You are confusing GRR with TVC, which has been served summer-only for a while. GRR started in June 2005.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 23):
I USAirways still flying out of GRR? Or did they drop them when they drop TOL and several other cities out of PIT? I thought they did N/S to PHL.
I could be wrong.

US left GRR last September 25. At the end, it was 4x daily RJ service to PHL.

At one point, US had a pretty decent-sized operation at GRR, with mainline service to PIT and Express service to several cities. GRR-DAY service ended around 1999. GRR-CMH service ended around 2000. GRR-IND service ended after 9/11, when Chautauqua retired their USX Saab 340 fleet; 9/11 is also when the GRR-PIT service went from mainline to all-Express. Then with the big PIT pull-down, the GRR-PIT service moved to GRR-PHL service for the last year of US in GRR.

And fittingly for this thread, US served GRR-LGA from around 1999 to 2001, with Chautauqua ERJs at 1x to 2x daily.

In the last five years, US has ended service at AZO, FNT, GRR, LAN, MBS.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 1):
think this is to drive out a possible JetBlue destination?

Maybe I am thinking kind of out there, but could they have started it becuase they heard that B6 might be starting GRR or FNT soon and wanted to see if they could get their loyal customer base. By the way, IMO, it is easy to have a loyal customer base when there isn't that much competition out there.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 32):
Maybe I am thinking kind of out there, but could they have started it becuase they heard that B6 might be starting GRR or FNT soon and wanted to see if they could get their loyal customer base. By the way, IMO, it is easy to have a loyal customer base when there isn't that much competition out there.

jetBlue is not starting GRR anytime soon. GRR-JFK was supposed to be announced last year, but jetBlue balked at GRR's landing fees, GRR refused to lower them, and that relationship ended.
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RE: Northwest Adds GRR To LGA

Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 19):
I don't know about driving MQ off the route that easily. They have been serving the route for years.

Like said earlier, just over 1 year.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
US pulled out of Grand Rapids. IIRC, the flights ended fall 2005.

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Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 28):
I'm pretty sure they served it seasonal for longer than that. Madison and Des Moines were added in the spring. Jax just started. Halifax was just announced. GRR was served long before it.

Nope.
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