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United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:23 am

Apparently the folks at UA still love to spend. I can see the argument that by doing this, they can cut down turn times, but I have to agree with Mike Boyd on this one.

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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:00 am

Or they can just do the B6 thing and go via stairs on the back end
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:10 am

This is very old news.
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:29 am

any idea on the cost of the systems... and what has Mike Boyd said (Although I can guess)?
 
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Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:50 am

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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:26 am

Good lord ... that thing just hangs out over the wing like that?

While I'm sure it's useful, just looking at that makes me nervous!

What kind of safety measures are in place to make sure the wing doesn't get damaged?

(I can just imagine trying to maneouver that thing over a 8ft+ tall winglet)

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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:36 am

"Also, because we can board customers faster, we are able to eventually add more flights without adding new aircraft."

United says the bridge can reduce the time it takes to unload and then reboard a plane, by 10 minutes, allowing it to fly its planes longer each day."


Friggin' United. Just bite the darn financial bullet and buy more airplanes. The old ones you have are thread bare and having more and more mechanical delays. Your bean counters say more time in the air means more flights. Are they factoring in the number of exacerbated delays due to mechanical and weather? How about adding an extra body or two to your CS and Ramp crews to help turn airplanes? What? Not paying enough to recruit enough qualified workers?
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:22 am

actually, Litz, the system moves itself to the doors. I probably trust it to not damage the airplane than I do some employees.

The real question is how much the system costs and why UA can't use the same procedures (or amend them) that WN uses to turn planes in less than 1/2 the time UA requires. Turning up the wick by the ground personnel is alot cheaper than buying new equipment. I'd still like to know how much the system costs.

I could see it for large widebody equipment but certainly not for narrowbodies.

As for new airplanes, UA has no choice but to wait until their five years are up from the end of their BK emergence (at least to accept delivery) since they did not plan aircraft acquisitions into their Plan of Reorganization. Given that UA just posted the lowest operating profit margin of all large US airlines, it's not likely they'll be in a position to argue that they should get more money than they previously requested.
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:21 am

What an excellent idea.

Like to see something like that here at Continental.

Imagine what it could do for boarding/ disembarking a 753 or 764.
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 8):
Imagine what it could do for boarding/ disembarking a 753 or 764.

Those can already been unloaded at older style double jetway gates that have been loading aircraft with two doors forward of the wing for years.
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:49 am

Uh, isnt this an old concept?
Just watch the movie AIRPORT......they use two separate jet ways....First Class and Tourist......
Maybe they could in the case of a larger aircraft they could board first and Business class from the front and coach from the rear?????
That would also cut down on lazy-arsed coahc passengers from stashing their carryons in the First or Biz Class overhead bins....
Try and find older pics of the old round United terminals at LAX for United.
Usually a cluster of DC8s or B720s around the terminal with two jetways attached to each plane.
I rememebr when Air Wisconsin first started using their BAe 146-200s into Moline, Illinois, they would drop both the front and rear air stairs and use both for enplaning and deplaning......
Anway, I see the obvious advantage but of thses new jet bridges but they ned to parke the plane parallel to the terminal NOT nose in..All this will take is one idiot that is NOT paying attention to his or her job and you will have a jetway sitting on a wing and a broken plane.......

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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:09 am

I think the passengers and their attitudes are the single biggest problem themselves when boarding - deplaning an aircraft.
The simple idea might be for some passengers to take a lot less carry on, and to form orderly queue's at the gate instead of free for all that is now happening. The new security measures in place with hand luggage in the UK suits me just fine. I will find out for myself next month when I fly to PHX via ORD from MAN.
An overwing entry to the aircraft could be an added bonus but is it really necessary if the likes of WN can turn an aircraft around in 30 minutes with one entry/exit I can't see why the likes of UA can't on similar sized aircraft, even more so when they might have a bigger first and/or business class section which in turn means less passengers boarding - deplaning.
I am not holding my breath in changing passengers attitudes.
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:28 am

IMHO
They should board from the two front doors if they parked longside the terminal it would take to much room heaven knows what it might be like to parallel park a 747 This might not be as effective on narrowbody's but make passengers use both aisles.
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 6):
Friggin' United. Just bite the darn financial bullet and buy more airplanes.

Actually, I love the dual boarding and more importantly dual unloading of an aircraft.

Remember, studies have shown that the most stressfull time on the passenger is waiting to get out of the airplane.  wideeyed 

Its a lot cheaper to buy twin gates than an airplane. I argue this even though airplane sales pay my salary. But I understand its better in the long run for the industry to be more economical.

Quoting BSU747 (Reply 11):
The simple idea might be for some passengers to take a lot less carry on,

You must not travel much on businesses. As one colegue put it "I'm a business traveler, I cannot afford to wait for my luggage."
Trust me, there is a reason CO and B6 advertise their friendly carry on policies. Its what the customer wants.

I hope this experiment for United works well. Saving 10 minutes on a plane turn is huge!

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Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 13):
You must not travel much on businesses. As one colegue put it "I'm a business traveler, I cannot afford to wait for my luggage."
Trust me, there is a reason CO and B6 advertise their friendly carry on policies. Its what the customer wants.

I hope this experiment for United works well. Saving 10 minutes on a plane turn is huge!

The time saved with being much more strict with carry on would equal or be more than the time saved with dual bridges (i. e. if the airline has a one-plus carry-on policy, it does not mean three carryons or a 'plus' item that is the size of a saddlebag). Just see how long it takes to board a 757 full of business travelers. The amount of time people take to stow their excess luggage is absurd, as is the amount of 'necessary' junk that people carry on.
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:48 am

Actually boarding on most planes has been much improved for the last couple of weeks anyway. Since August 10, the amount of carry on baggage has dropped dramatically. On the 6 flights I have taken since then, I would guess that load times were at least 10 minutes shorter.

See, that didn't cost anything at all...except checking bags that should have been checked anyway.

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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:36 am

I think it is about time a US carrier uses these. They use them all the time in Europe. I know LH uses them at FRA for their A340's, B744's and soon the A380. I loved it. It was nice not to stand in line for ever waiting to get off the plane or to get on it. Hope it works out and we see more of these in the USA.

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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting NWBOS (Reply 14):
The time saved with being much more strict with carry on would equal or be more than the time saved with dual bridges (i. e. if the airline has a one-plus carry-on policy, it does not mean three carryons or a 'plus' item that is the size of a saddlebag). Just see how long it takes to board a 757 full of business travelers. The amount of time people take to stow their excess luggage is absurd, as is the amount of 'necessary' junk that people carry on.

Actually I would argue that business travellers are generally fairly efficient compared to liesure travellers. I would also argue that if all of those people then checked baggage, it would take even longer to load.

If you travel frequently (and I do), then you would probably better understand the hassles of dealing with checked luggage. Most efficient business travelers I know take very little with them, it's all about carrying the least possible. But the problem with checked luggage is if you are doing a 4-5 city sweep flying in and out of different cities, one flight where the bags don't show up can really screw up the entire trip.
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:44 am

I think its a great idea. And the thought of it being 100% automated is even more amazing. Thumbs up for UA for starting this boarding process. Hopefully other airlines will catch up quickly. In this day and age we need 100% efficiency. And this is one step closer.

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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting NWBOS (Reply 14):
as is the amount of 'necessary' junk that people carry on.

Oh yeah, junk like clothing and a computer  sarcastic  People really need to learn that when you get past a certain age, you can't get by on three t-shirts, 5 pairs of underwear and two pairs of jeans for a 2 month trip.
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting NWBOS (Reply 14):

The time saved with being much more strict with carry on would equal or be more than the time saved with dual bridges

This I don't argue with (carry on vs. jet bridge). But the last time I waited for my baggage it took an hour.  Sad

Having people able to fill the bins from front and back is a huge efficiency improvement. Kudos to UA for implementing these. Let's face it, high load factors are probably here to stay at that is creating the delays more than anything.  Sad  Smile (I dislike flying on full planes, but I really like the fact that the industry is finally making money again.)

Quoting Mymiles2go (Reply 17):
Actually I would argue that business travellers are generally fairly efficient compared to liesure travellers. I would also argue that if all of those people then checked baggage, it would take even longer to load.

 checkmark  Your point about lost luggage is important too. I usually carry proprietary material... Its my job if that's lost, so there is no way I'm checking my laptop or any folders that have "Proprietary Level 1" stamped on them!

We've had a "mini-revolt" here at work against flying with the current security issues. I know July and the first week in August went gangbusters... but since then? I've seen several dozen people manage to postpone "road warrior" duty. In my opinion more airlines are going to warn, and its going to be over carry on /security restrictions.

But this thread is on the dual jet-bridges, which reduce passanger hassles!

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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:52 am

Yet no one can explain why UA can't implement the processes that WN uses to turn airplanes in 20 minutes - and the A320 has wider aisles! Even adjusted for the larger size, UA should be able to turn an A320 is 30 minutes using WN's boarding processes - and it requires no capital investment!
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:04 am

Just used the new loading bridge in DEN the other day. We deplaned in about 4 min. was so cool!
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 13):
You must not travel much on businesses. As one colegue put it "I'm a business traveler, I cannot afford to wait for my luggage."
Trust me, there is a reason CO and B6 advertise their friendly carry on policies. Its what the customer wants.

But we are not all "business travelers". And let's face it, the more crap, the longer it will take to board and deplane.

Airlines need to find a better way to check bags, and have them at their destination and at the belt faster. There is too much coming on these planes! To the point where you wonder if anyone checks their bags anymore. And I have seen people in wheelchairs with 5 different items on them.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Oh yeah, junk like clothing and a computer People really need to learn that when you get past a certain age, you can't get by on three t-shirts, 5 pairs of underwear and two pairs of jeans for a 2 month trip.

Sorry my friend, but you know dam well what we are speaking of.

We are not speaking of your one rollerboard, and your one briefcase. We are talking your huge (Me and you could fit into) kind of bag, along with another heavy bag, dragging them onto the plane not being able to fit down the aisle kind of bags.

Remember people, they are CARRY ON bags. Not try to fit them through the aisle, and try to lift them up above bags.

This issue is out of hand. And the airline is at fault for not having a better system of checking bags, and letting people on with their kitchen sinks.
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:29 pm

I like the idea of getting on and off faster. I hate being up the back off the aircraft due to the wait and slow passengers that hold up everyone else, especially if your flight arrived late and your pushing it for time for your connecting flight.

Hope to get to use this new system next year when I plan on returning to the USA
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:48 pm

I can see an advantage when it comes to boarding but it seems like by the time the second jetway is attached most of the passengers would have deplaned from the front anyway. Also, that 2L door is usually used by the cleaners and caterers. Are they now relegated to the congested right side of the aircraft? If so, I'll bet that may delay things somewhat and thus eliminate any time saving gains. I just don't see this as being very effective on small narrow bodies and certainly very expensive. It makes sense to me on widebodies though.
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:42 pm

The effects of wait times for checked luggage is noticeably greater in the US. In Japan, many people check luggage even when not all that necessary.
I no longer bring onboard large bags because of the hassle of lugging it around the terminal. Luggage losses is almost unheard of in Japan. This is because ground staff hasn't been cut all that much, check-in luggage means only a few minutes delay. Just think if you had ground staff took pride at what they do, motivated, and properly staffed.
Of late, if I check in bags in the US, I can go to the toilet, get a bite to eat, do some shopping, stroll around the terminal to spot and jot down interesting regs before the luggage comes out and this with time to spare.
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 23):
Airlines need to find a better way to check bags, and have them at their destination and at the belt faster. There is too much coming on these planes!

You are absolutely right. Our problem in a small station like BOS is whereas before the budget slashing days, there were multiple crews to offload aircrafts that arrive around the same time. Now it is just one crew, so whichever plane lands first is offloaded first. The others have to wait. This means that people can wait over an hour for their luggage. As an airline employee, I agree this is unacceptable. But, unless they bring back more staff it's going to happen. In the past few weeks, the no liquids policy has improved boarding times, but it's also overloaded our belt system at the ticket counter and caused even longer delays for checked baggage offload. So it's a no win situation and I have a feeling that it's going to get worse.
 
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RE: United Introduces New Boarding Equipment

Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:33 am

Wow, waiting an hour for checked baggage! I just took an WN flight from TUS to SAN. Anybody who has ever flown WN into SAN knows what a madhouse the WN luggage carosel area is in SAN. Our flight was packed. Yet, by the time I walked directly from the back of the plane to the carosel, our luggage was already coming in. The awful part was pushing aside 30,000 to get my bag before it moved down the belt and out of reach!