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Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:58 pm

Ok, this was a cargo from NRT to GIG. It disappeared over the Pacific, some 30 minutes after take-off.
This flight had aproximately 153 paintings. All worth 1.24 Mill.
Does anybody have any info? I know, it's pretty old but, maybe someone out there would know something...
Sorry if this is has been posted before.
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:36 am

There are many, but many interesting stories about this issue and some of them are strange, not to say bizarre.
The most noticed on that and it is still around some airport corridors till now is related to a big international "complô".

Some sources say that this aircraft had in command Captain Gilberto, who was the same RG captain was on board the B707 that crashed near ORY. I am not sure but I think it was PP-VLZ.
The story says that RG was contracted by US/Japan Government do operate a charter flight between Japan and US to bring some important military equipment and RG was chosen not to call attention of international spy, specially KGB at the time.
The shipment was declared as famous art paintings estimated in a big amount of money.
But the plans were discovered by KGB and KGB made an offer ( really big $$$) to captain Gilberto, to divert the flight in the middle of the Pacific, bringing the aircraft down to a certain altitude where radars could lot locate the aircraft. These plans also included cap. Gilberto to kill the rest of the flight crew during the flight before his actions.
The aircraft landed somewhere (island) in the Pacific, the cargo picked up by the Russians, the aircraft totally destroyed. Cap. Gilberto had a big plastic surgery and disappeared without trace with all his money. He left behind all his family, friends, etc...and would be monitored by intl. spy not to enter in contact with any known people, otherwise he was going to be killed.

This is what I heard about this issue. Don´t ask me if this is true or not but in this world we live I don´t doubt. Specially if you start to thing that this story, the most fantastic it could be, it really would be possible to happen.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:39 am

WOW!! I never heard anything about this. If any of you could post some links to websites with more information that would be greatly appreciated.
Obrigado:
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:42 am

I second LPLAspotter's request! Please! if anyone can provide further info I'd apreciate it... never heard of this story!
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:45 am

I don't know anything else about the flight, but out of curiosity, the aircraft was being flown by the same captain of flight 820 that crash landed off ORY in 1973, 5km before the runway after attempting to return for an emergency landing.

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Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:51 am

If there were really paintings on board, i guess it isn't 1,24 milion worth anymore  Wink
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:57 am

Can assure that here in Brazil, many airline people know this story (specially those who are in the industry for a long time).

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 2):
WOW!! I never heard anything about this. If any of you could post some links to websites with more information that would be greatly appreciated.
Obrigado:

There is book in many Brazilian book stores about this flight. The book if fictitious but who is the industry know it is the same flight we are talking about. It is in Portuguese and it won´t be difficult for you to read it.

Try to look at www.saraiva.com.br or www.livrariacultura.com.br and you can buy it if you find there.
 
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 1):
The aircraft landed somewhere (island) in the Pacific, the cargo picked up by the Russians, the aircraft totally destroyed

It's an interesting story, but this part doesn't work. There is no Pacific island with a runway capable of handling a loaded B707 where it could land unobserved. Besides, if there was any truth to the Russian involvement, why not just fly to Russia? The island is a romantic twist, but an unlikely complication to any espionage effort.
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):
after attempting to return for an emergency landing

I believe ORY was its destination. It had departed GIG. It was not returning.

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Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):
I don't know anything else about the flight, but out of curiosity, the aircraft was being flown by the same captain of flight 820 that crash landed off ORY in 1973, 5km before the runway after attempting to return for an emergency landing.

Cheers

Oops I had to quickly post this and leave... didn't see the other posts when I first read the topic. My bad.

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 8):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):
after attempting to return for an emergency landing

I believe ORY was its destination. It had departed GIG. It was not returning.

For some reason I always think they were returning. . . probably because they had a fire on board and most of the incidents like that the flight returns.

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Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 7):
It's an interesting story, but this part doesn't work. There is no Pacific island with a runway capable of handling a loaded B707 where it could land unobserved. Besides, if there was any truth to the Russian involvement, why not just fly to Russia? The island is a romantic twist, but an unlikely complication to any espionage effort.

As I said it is a story and I can´t tell you if it is true or not. Ok, there is no island...but if the aircraft landed on water? It won´t deep to fast and who knows time enough to get what they wanted...just suppositions. And if you start to exercise your mind you will be able to have many suppositions you want.

What is intriguing is that this aircraft was searched by US Navi and Air Force in such a manner that I never heard about on a pax flight. Following the path the flight did, no sign of nothing. Really nothing was over the water. Parts or fuel.
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 7):
It's an interesting story, but this part doesn't work. There is no Pacific island with a runway capable of handling a loaded B707 where it could land unobserved.

How about Hao. But then the French would be involved which would complicate things even further.

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Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 11):
How about Hao

You stumped me...I don't know what/where Hao is.

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Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 10):
Ok, there is no island

Occurs to me that Sakhalin Island (Russia) is actually in the Pacific...just in the other direction. It's a super-security area (remember KAL 007). You never know, given that no wreckage was found, there just might be some truth to the story.
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:39 pm

Wouldn't the flight path be a northerly track if it was going from NRT-GIG? I assume it would stop in California for fuel. So perhaps NRT-LAX-GIG?
 
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 12):
You stumped me...I don't know what/where Hao is.

Hao is the site where all the French nuclear testing is coordinated. It is located in the society islands south east of Tahiti. It is also an alternate for the US Space Shuttle because of the length of the runway. Like I said, I doubt it now since the French would be involved if it landed there.

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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 10):
What is intriguing is that this aircraft was searched by US Navi and Air Force in such a manner that I never heard about on a pax flight. Following the path the flight did, no sign of nothing. Really nothing was over the water. Parts or fuel.

Theoretically, this only supports the crashed-into-sea version. If the crago really was of a sensitive value, the US authorities obviously did good by not making any find of the wreckage at sea public. If that is the case, it obviously still is a gross injustice to the families of the crew, and to RG as a whole.
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:20 am

What my father told me several times (at the time of the crash he was a pilot with Rio Sul, Varig's regional airline) is that that this cargo flight was with a MIG fighter inside that the American government managed to put its hands on, it was a charter flight hired by the US Government to bring to the US the Russian fighter. However, the Russians discovered that their missing MIG would be transported to the US on such Varig flight and sent some fighters to shot Varig's 707 down, remember that NRT-LAX route gets in the outskirts of the Russian airspace.

Capt. Gilberto was indeed the same captain that was in charge of Varig's flight that crash landed near Orly back in 1973, due to a fire on board caused by a passenger who was smoking in the back lavatory and disposed he's lighted up cigarette in the trash can.

Capt. Gilberto's brother, who was also a captain at Varig at the time never gave up in his efforts to find his brother's plane, some years ago he was on TV talking about it.
 
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Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:49 am

Has anyone thought of hiring Clive Cussler to find it?
 
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:50 am

You know, the more I think about this 007-esque theory, the more I think it could have been pulled off.

All you would need is a russian military detail out in international territory of say 5 or 6 aircraft.

Captain Gilberto does away with his F/O and engineer.

Whilst the 707 declares (or doesn't even bother with) an emergency on HF (no radar either in the pacific), he descends low-ish level to avoid leaving tell-tale contrails for other aircraft and witnesses in the vicinity, and assumes a pre-arranged course to intercept the formation.

Meanwhile, one of the formation descends low level before it gets back into radar cover and returns to base, unseen.

The 707, non squawking (only formation leader would be squawking anyway), climbs to join the formation (thus only marginally denting the range the loaded fuel would have allowed to get to its US or elsewhere destination), and they happily set course back to Russian airspace.

The only way the plan would have been foiled would have been for a physical intercept, but by the time the alarm would have been raised, they would all have probably been on terra firma anyway.

The only part I find unrealistic is the future of Captain Gilberto. Rather than go to the extreme of plastic surgery and spy protection, I rather suspect that on arrival he would have met a similar fate to that of his flight crew colleagues.

Oh the intrigue !!

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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:16 am

Maybe the Soviets diverted the plane to lower altitudes and forced it to fly to the Soviet Union. That's why no wreckage has been found at sea. The plane would be forced to land and the crew received Soviet hospitality in Siberia. One thing that makes me wonder about the 'secret' cargo is why the Americans would hire a Brazilian civil plane instead of the many military possibilities available in those days? It was the cold war at it's peak and I am sure that a militairy transport would be less of a problem.
Most logical explaination: Old 707 got some in-flight issues and strayed off the route and crashed in an area nobody searched.
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:40 am

I know this is a little bit off-topic, but I just reembered watching a tv program (Maybe NatGeo or Discovery channel.......), where the CIA actually hired Howard Hughes to build a ship capable of pulling out of the bottom of the Pacific Ocean a sunken russian nuclear sub, that exploded near the hawaian islands, iirc. Mr Hughes biuld a ship with some kind of an oil exploration tower on deck, with at the bottom of it, some kind of "hands" were to grab it an bring it into the ship. They did managed to get their hands on a big piece of it, and even they found bodies of some russian sailors. Big spy story, russians never realized what that ship boat was and the americans managed to get a few looks on their technology. Maybe with Capt Gilberto there's also a weird russian story nobody have ever heard of.

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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:53 am

So, who's going to play the part of the Captain? Pierce Brosnan? Tom cruise?

Oh...that's a "real" rumour? wow, it sound like a cheap movie script from the 70's!


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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting EHHO (Reply 16):
Theoretically, this only supports the crashed-into-sea version. If the crago really was of a sensitive value, the US authorities obviously did good by not making any find of the wreckage at sea public. If that is the case, it obviously still is a gross injustice to the families of the crew, and to RG as a whole.

 talktothehand  We're talking about a Brazilian-flagged aircraft on a flight plan from Narita (Japan) to Rio de Janeiro (Brazil), presumably lost in international waters. You take an admirable humanitarian action by US forces and suggest "gross injustice". No justification for that.

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 20):
One thing that makes me wonder about the 'secret' cargo is why the Americans would hire a Brazilian civil plane instead of the many military possibilities available in those days? It was the cold war at it's peak and I am sure that a militairy transport would be less of a problem.

Agreed. No shortage of USAF C-141's and C-5's transporting materials from any of the several US bases in Japan. They simply had no need to use a Brazilian charter. The story doesn't hold up.

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 20):
Most logical explaination: Old 707 got some in-flight issues and strayed off the route and crashed in an area nobody searched.

 checkmark  Exactly so. It is a tragic consequence that when the body of a loved one goes unrecovered, we tend to cling to fanciful ideas and wishful thinking that somehow they may yet be alive.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 21):
Maybe with Capt Gilberto there's also a weird russian story nobody have ever heard of.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia released a great deal of previously secret information about their actions in the Cold War. Nothing about this Varig B707. It's impossible to prove a negative, but if anything like this story had actually occurred, by now we would've heard about it from the Russians themselves. I regret entertaining the idea in my earlier comment.
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Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:26 am

The spy ship built by Howard Hughes was the Glomar Explorer, and is still in use today as a regular ship after its cover was blown. Look it up on Wikipedia for more info...as for the 707, sounds like an inflight mishap rather than some crazy intrigue that there was no need for...
 
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 19):
Captain Gilberto does away with his F/O and engineer.

Among many reasons why I think this scenario, at least as posted here is impossible, I'll mention two:

It's not easy for anyone, specially for civilians, to kill people in cold blood. Add to that that they were his colleagues and probably friends too.

Then, no matter how skilled you are, the 707 is not the 777. One person would have had a tough time flying it, let alone making all the maneuvers mentioned.

It is my opinion that most likely, the plane had an issue and ended up crashing in the ocean. Nothing recovered? Well, it would not have been the first time thats happened with a plane or a ship.

Was the Korean Air 707 downed by two North Korean agents somewhere over Burma ever been found?
 
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Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:22 am

WOW, I didnt know about this accident but okay I was 4 years old back than and didn't know what a 707 was by the time  Smile

Even so, this is an interesting story. It surprises me that no movie was made out of this. It would make an interesting movie to watch.

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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 6):
There is book in many Brazilian book stores about this flight. The book if fictitious but who is the industry know it is the same flight we are talking about. It is in Portuguese and it won´t be difficult for you to read it.

Hello JJ,

what is the name of this book?

BTW, I`m also a part of TAM`s family... but I work for TAM Marilia.

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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 25):
Was the Korean Air 707 downed by two North Korean agents somewhere over Burma ever been found?

Never heard of this one. Know of a Korean 707 shot down by Soviets in December 1977 over Soviet airspace very near the border with Finland. But never heard of one shot down over Burma. Tell us more ...

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Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:48 am

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 28):
Never heard of this one. Know of a Korean 707 shot down by Soviets in December 1977 over Soviet airspace very near the border with Finland. But never heard of one shot down over Burma. Tell us more ...

LVTMB

Actually just to clear it up it was a Korean 747 that was shot down over Russian airspace, not a 707. While flying from Anchorage to Seoul, the aircraft inadvertantly entered Soviet airspace and was shot down by a Russian fighter jet. This happened on the 01 September 1983. It wasn't shot down near Europe or Finland. In 1987 there was a Korean 707 that crashed because of a bomb on board the aircraft (according to airdisaster.com).

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Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:12 pm

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 28):
Never heard of this one. Know of a Korean 707 shot down by Soviets in December 1977 over Soviet airspace very near the border with Finland. But never heard of one shot down over Burma. Tell us more ...

In the late 80's a Korean Air, 707 was boarded by two North-Korean agents with a bomb. A man and a woman. They sat in first class in the front of the aircraft. On the next stop, the deplaned, leaving their package behind (amon other things that's why you are told not to leave personal items behind when you leave) I believe an hour after TO the bomb went off and the plane crashed in the Burma Jungle. I think the wreckage was never found.

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 28):
Actually just to clear it up it was a Korean 747 that was shot down over Russian airspace, not a 707. While flying from Anchorage to Seoul, the aircraft inadvertantly entered Soviet airspace and was shot down by a Russian fighter jet. This happened on the 01 September 1983. It wasn't shot down near Europe or Finland. In 1987 there was a Korean 707 that crashed because of a bomb on board the aircraft (according to airdisaster.com).

Now, actually to really clear it up. In the late 70's a Korean Air Lines 707 flying Paris Seoul pulled the same stunt as its counterpart in 1983 There was cloud cover below but it was daylight. Two fighters were deployed and for whatever reason the pilot did not reason. The shot it with bullets and did a lot of damage, killing one passenger. The Captain dove into an emergency descent and the migs lost him in the cloud cover. Since he felt that the plane sooner or later would tear apart, he chose to land it NOW

So he put it down on a frozen lake. It remained largely intact. I do not know if anyone was killed during the accident, aside from the one passenger directly shot by the bullet that pierced the fuselage.
 
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Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:30 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 30):
Now, actually to really clear it up. In the late 70's a Korean Air Lines 707 flying Paris Seoul pulled the same stunt as its counterpart in 1983 There was cloud cover below but it was daylight. Two fighters were deployed and for whatever reason the pilot did not reason. The shot it with bullets and did a lot of damage, killing one passenger. The Captain dove into an emergency descent and the migs lost him in the cloud cover. Since he felt that the plane sooner or later would tear apart, he chose to land it NOW

So he put it down on a frozen lake. It remained largely intact. I do not know if anyone was killed during the accident, aside from the one passenger directly shot by the bullet that pierced the fuselage.

Hi AR385, are you sure about this crash? I'm having a hard time finding information about this 707 incident. Your story sounds a bit strange. How can a 707 land on a frozen lake, it is impossible if you ask me. And one passenger being killed because of the bullets of the Russian fighter jet that pierced the aircraft? Hmm, I'm not so sure. Does anyone else know about this 707 crash? Not that I don't want to believe it but I have never heard of this crash.

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Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:57 pm

Yes, I'm positive. There's the link. Enjoy.


http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19780420-1
 
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Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 32):
Yes, I'm positive. There's the link. Enjoy.

Thanks for the correction. I couldn't find the info.

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Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 28):
But never heard of one shot down over Burma. Tell us more ...

Korean Air Flight 858 was a flight that flew from Abu Dhabi International Airport in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates to Gimpo Airport near Seoul, South Korea via Bangkok International Airport in Bangkok. On November 29, 1987, it mysteriously disappeared.

According to the South Korean authorities, the Boeing 707 (registered HL7406) took off from Abu Dhabi and was flying to Bangkok on the way to Seoul. Two passengers who departed from the plane at Abu Dhabi left a radio containing 350 grams of C-4 and liquor bottle containing cca 0.7 l of PLX explosives in an overhead rack on the airplane. The bomb exploded while the plane was over the Andaman Sea near Thailand. Radar contact was lost at the time of the explosion.

All 11 crew members and 104 passengers on Korean Air 858 were killed, making it the deadliest terrorist attack against South Korea.

Two North Korean agents were arrested by South Korean officials shortly after the bombing. One killed himself with a suicide pill but the other, Kim Hyon Hui, was captured before she herself could commit suicide. She told investigators that the bombing was ordered by Kim Il Sung's son, Kim Jong-il. The story against North Korea reinforced the country's place on the United States terrorism supporter's list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858

She was extradited to South Korea, and there confessed. The two were North Korean intelligence agents, and had been given orders "personally written" by Kim Chong Il, President Kim Il Sung's son. The woman had been trained to behave and look Japanese, and the two had left a bottle of liquid explosive (disguised as liquor) and a detonator in a radio in the overhead rack on the aircraft. She said that the attack had been designed to destabilze South Korea during its presidential election campaign, and to increase international nervousness about the forthcoming Olympic Games there. She told a press conference in January 1988 that she had since changed her allegiance, after watching South Korean television, and being driven around Seoul by her interrogators.

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/kilo/korea1987.htm
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 22):
Oh...that's a "real" rumour? wow, it sound like a cheap movie script from the 70's!

An airliner with valuable art, flying under radar, landing on an island. Sounds like the plot to Airport '77 In the film they didn't land on an island, but that was the plan.

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
How can a 707 land on a frozen lake, it is impossible if you ask me.

I have never heard of that either, but you may be able to land a 707 on a frozen lake. There would be a huge number of variables, but maybe. During WWII the Soviets built a railroad across a frozen lake to bring supplies to Leningrad which was under siege by the Germans. If you could build and operate a railroad on a frozen lake maybe you could land a 707.
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
How can a 707 land on a frozen lake, it is impossible if you ask me.

Well, that is why it is an emergengy landing, and the alternative was to remain aloft, like a sitting duck, for the Sukhois to find them. I guess you take the decision that is less worst.

If the ice is thick enough, and if it has certain conditions, it may be possible to land there. It won't be your smoothest landing and the likelihood of frame damage is high, but impossible?
 
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RE: Varig PP-VLU (B707 Cargo) Still Missing Since 1979

Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
Hi AR385, are you sure about this crash? I'm having a hard time finding information about this 707 incident. Your story sounds a bit strange. How can a 707 land on a frozen lake, it is impossible if you ask me. And one passenger being killed because of the bullets of the Russian fighter jet that pierced the aircraft? Hmm, I'm not so sure. Does anyone else know about this 707 crash? Not that I don't want to believe it but I have never heard of this crash.

Here's a site with some pics: http://heninen.net/flight-902/english.htm