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Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:58 pm

Another milestone for the venerable 747



"TAIPEI, Sept. 09, 2006 -- The Boeing [NYSE: BA] 747-400 Large Cargo Freighter took to the skies for the first time at 10:38 a.m. (UTC/GMT +8 hours) today, initiating the flight test program that will culminate in U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) certification.
The two-hour, four-minute flight was the first of 250 expected flight test hours for the unique freighter, a specially modified 747-400 that will transport major composite structures of the all-new 787 Dreamliner.
The enormous jet -- with its enlarged upper fuselage that can accommodate three times the cargo by volume of a standard 747-400 freighter -- gracefully took off under rainy skies from Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport (formerly Chiang Kai-Shek International Airport). Boeing flight test pilots, Capts. Joe MacDonald and Randy Wyatt, took the airplane north, and then flew roughly 150 miles south following along the east side of the island before heading north again."





"After completing initial flight tests in Taiwan, during which the airplane's handling characteristics will be evaluated as well as ensuring the LCF is free from flutter and excessive vibration, the airplane will fly to Seattle's Boeing Field to complete the remainder of the flight test program. The ferry flight to Seattle is expected to occur mid-month. A fleet of three LCFs will ferry 787 assemblies between Nagoya, Japan; Grottaglie, Italy; Wichita, Kan. and Charleston, S.C., before flying them to the Boeing factory in Everett, Wash., for final assembly. The first two LCFs will enter service in early 2007; the third will follow later."

Images, text courtesy Boeing.com
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:02 am

wow, in those angles, the 744LCF actually looks quite nice,
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:03 am

It is great to see that such an ugly aircraft is capable of flying!

Congrats Boeing and here comes the 787, the "Airbuster".
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:13 am

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Haha good to see it flying, hope it gets some paint soon!
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Dangould2000 (Reply 1):
wow, in those angles, the 744LCF actually looks quite nice

When did you last visit your eye doctor? There's no angle at which this airgoing pig would look good; it's almost amazing it even flies, albeit with an utter lack of grace. Still, it will be a major asset for BCA, like the Beluga is for Airbus, so I guess I shouldn't dwell on how horrendous its appearance is. It's almost shocking to remember this was once a gorgeous -400.
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 4):
When did you last visit your eye doctor? There's no angle at which this airgoing pig would look good; it's almost amazing it even flies, albeit with an utter lack of grace.

I'm not worried - I'm sure it'll grow on me. When I first saw the Beluga I thought it was the ugliest thing flying too but now it holds a special appeal to me.

I'm curious if the livery they finally select for it would make any special use of the double hump.
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting Dangould2000 (Reply 1):
wow, in those angles, the 744LCF actually looks quite nice,

I agree. It looks better than I thoguht it would. Quite nice and interesting, IMHO.
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:22 am

Its ugly, but who cares

great to see it fly

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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:45 am

There's a link to a video clip at the bottom left of Boeing's News Release:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q3/060909a_nr.html
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:03 am

It's like a 747 wearing a big fur coat!

I bet you put it into a flattering livery, and it won't look that bad...
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting Greaser (Thread starter):
The first two LCFs will enter service in early 2007; the third will follow later."

Hmmmm.  banghead 

Congradulations to EVA and Boeing, and the B-747-400LCF
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:34 am

2 questions :

after looking at the video, why does the pilot keep the gears out that long ? don't pilots bring them up earlier usually ?

are the test pilots locals (Japanese) or from Boeing ?
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 11):
after looking at the video, why does the pilot keep the gears out that long ? don't pilots bring them up earlier usually ?

This is fairly typical of early flight testing. Why worry about more ssytems at a critical moment than you need too?

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 11):
are the test pilots locals (Japanese) or from Boeing ?

The press release states: "Boeing flight test pilots, Capts. Joe MacDonald and Randy Wyatt"
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 11):
are the test pilots locals (Japanese) or from Boeing ?

Last time I checked, Taiwan hasn't been part of Japan since 1945.  Big grin
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:05 am

Amazing video..but the guy taking the video (or whoever it was) needs to stop coughing... biggrin 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:18 am

In the video this aircraft looks uglier than on pictures... Exactly the opposite of the WhaleJet... Anyway congratulation to Evergreen Boeing and the 787 program.
Hope it'll look better once painted.

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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 2):
t is great to see that such an ugly aircraft is capable of flying!



Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 3):
"It's not a tuuuumor"



Quoting AvObserver (Reply 4):

When did you last visit your eye doctor? There's no angle at which this airgoing pig would look good; it's almost amazing it even flies, albeit with an utter lack of grace.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:25 am

Congrats to Boeing but will someone PLEASE give it a coat of paint!!!! Even Euro-white will do!
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:51 am

That thing's a beast!! Could use some paint though.
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:04 pm

I have a question, maybe someone can help.

It's often said that the overnight package carriers need volume much more than weight carrying capacity. So the UPS and FEDex have ordered 10 (I believe) A380Fs each.

My question is, Wouldn't something like the 747 LCF be the ticked for these guys?
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:03 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 19):
My question is, Wouldn't something like the 747 LCF be the ticked for these guys?

I dont believe Boeing is offering the LCF for sale.
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting NRA-3B (Reply 13):
Last time I checked, Taiwan hasn't been part of Japan since 1945

OMG. LOL.

When the Airbus Beluga came out, people then were saying it was ugly. But, like the other poster said, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, indeed. It's not a beauty contest afterall. As long as it flies and gets the job done, go for it.
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:44 pm

Almost as ugly as the A380. almost
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:09 pm

It's a bit ugly, but still very cool. Get it in a nice color (Boeing house colors?) and you will have a great photo-object.  Smile
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 20):
Quoting Baron95 (Reply 19):
My question is, Wouldn't something like the 747 LCF be the ticked for these guys?

I dont believe Boeing is offering the LCF for sale.

If any carrier asked Boeing for some of these I'm sure they would oblige. After all the design work and certification work will have been done. However I would have thought it highly unlikely that anyone would order some. It would be very expensive as well I reckon.
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 19):

It's often said that the overnight package carriers need volume much more than weight carrying capacity. So the UPS and FEDex have ordered 10 (I believe) A380Fs each.

My question is, Wouldn't something like the 747 LCF be the ticked for these guys?

Note: I am just speculating below.

As Geo772 says, Boeing would probably do it if the customer asked. However, there is the issue of no pressurized cargo space. At a guess many packages contain jars and other things that would like pressure.

Also, I assume that the 380F is more efficient. It was built like that from the starts. The 744LCF is a specialized design. Fine for transporting aircraft parts, but maybe not as efficient as a "from scratch" design.
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:25 pm

IMHO Because of it's length it looks much better than the Beluga which I believe is to short and therefore seems fatter.  Big grin
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:01 pm

If they put two or three flooring decks inside and loaded 'em with seats, its an instant Airbus A380-buster! That thing's gotta be capable of carrying 900 or 1000 pax! Funny, how, in order to beat Airbus, Boeing had to build its own Boing-bus. Must be fun to watch that ball bounce down the runway for takeoff..... boing, boing, boing!  Smile
 
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting Teixeim (Reply 27):
If they put two or three flooring decks inside and loaded 'em with seats, its an instant Airbus A380-buster! That thing's gotta be capable of carrying 900 or 1000 pax!

I realize your comments are in jest. But realize that the cargo hold is unpressurized. Also, the aircraft would not be able to carry the weight of so many passengers even if it were practical to give all of them oxygen masks for the duration of the flight.
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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting NRA-3B (Reply 13):
Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 11):
are the test pilots locals (Japanese) or from Boeing ?

Last time I checked, Taiwan hasn't been part of Japan since 1945.

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RE: Boeing 747 LCF Achieves First Flight

Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting Greaser (Thread starter):
the airplane will fly to Seattle's Boeing Field to complete the remainder of the flight test program. The ferry flight to Seattle is expected to occur mid-month

Can't wait - I'll definitely be there. camera in hand. Hopefully it'll be painted by then  crossfingers