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London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:44 am

Travelling through London airports these days is becoming a headache and such a hassle. Why aren't other major european hubs such as AMS, FRA or CDG more attractive? certainly the infrastructures at these hubs are considerably better than those of LHR or LGW for example.

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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:49 am

what do you mean by more attractive ? lower fares, number of connections offered, etc ?
 
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:59 am

yes lower fare and more connections. Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON. I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.
 
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 2):
Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON.

Most likely because NYC-LON-DXB is a larger market than NYC-AMS-DXB. There are alot more connections and different carriers through London then there are via Amsterdam, thus the more competitive fares are perhaps cheaper fares!

London (most commonly LHR) airports are not that bad, alot of people write them off! They may not be the best airports, but they do offer alot more connections than other airports in Europe such as CDG, AMS and FRA! I personally enjoy flying from LON, especially LGW and LHR  Smile

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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:29 am

on AF you can do
AF009 : JFK 10:50 pm - CDG 11:50 am (next day) connecting to
AF526 : CDG 1:15 pm - DXB 9:50 pm

For the return, 2 possibilities :
AF525 : DXB 1:00 am -CDG 6:05 am connecting to
AF022 : CDG 8:25 am - JFK 10:15 am
OR
AF529 : DXB 11:55 am - CDG 5:10 pm connecting to
AF008 : CDG 6:55 pm - JFK 8:50 pm
 
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:47 am

I am familiar with AF schedule. The problem is that this itinerary is about $700 more than say EWR-LGW-DXB with CO and EK.

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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 5):
I am familiar with AF schedule. The problem is that this itinerary is about $700 more than say EWR-LGW-DXB with CO and EK.

that's a good argument !
 
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 2):
I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

Each to their taste. I think LHR needs a little makeover, but apart from that, I love LHR, LGW.
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:33 am

Yeah, I would love those airports if I didn't have to walk 5 miles to get to customs and wait an hour to get through immigration..

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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:07 pm

Well interestingly the suggestion in the UK financial press is that in the wake of the massive security upheavals following the alledged chemical plot to blow up trans-atlantic flights, BAA is resigned to cutting back on the number of shops in the terminals of its major airports to expand the room given over to check-in, immigration and security. BAA has received a hammering in the UK, including from the major carriers (Both legacy and LCC). It's also looking likely BAA will have to dispose of one of it's three London airports, with LGW considered the favourite (Least growth potential).

T5 at Heathrow, coupled with the proposed East Terminal (replacing T2 and then T1) should make a massive improvement. Plus if we see some shops closed then the experience of being in a massive shopping mall may be lessened. I think I've struggled to find an airport that meets a happy medium. UK airports have too many shops, cafes, etc; others around the world seem to have too few. Though I do like T1/T3 at MAN, especially the way all the food places before check-in are together with that excellent view of the apron between T3 and T1.
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:09 pm

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 2):
yes lower fare and more connections. Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON. I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

Why don't you bypass the European airports? The lowest fare from New York City to Dubai you get by flying the Emirates non-stop flight - return ticket from around $ 1,150.
 
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 8):
Yeah, I would love those airports if I didn't have to walk 5 miles to get to customs and wait an hour to get through immigration..

The same applies to many airports in the US and other parts of the world. In fact, the most walking and waiting at immigration I've experienced has been in the US.
 
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 8):
Yeah, I would love those airports if I didn't have to walk 5 miles to get to customs and wait an hour to get through immigration..

Try arriving at IAD in the afternoon - I'd be happy if it only took an hour to get through immigration there.
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 10):
Why don't you bypass the European airports? The lowest fare from New York City to Dubai you get by flying the Emirates non-stop flight - return ticket from around $ 1,150.

Tried that a couple of times before finding out that this flight does not qualify for elite miles with CO. Besides 14 hours is a little bit too long for me to be stuck in an aluminum tube.
 
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:51 pm

DZ09, I'm looking at a trip to DXB myself in November and VS have some killer deals out of LHR at the moment - around 238 GBP inc. taxes when a Saturday night is included. I'd have to drive 120 miles and still endure the nightmare of LHR, but I'll do (almost) anything for a good deal.

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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 14):
DZ09, I'm looking at a trip to DXB myself in November and VS have some killer deals out of LHR at the moment - around 238 GBP inc. taxes when a Saturday night is included. I'd have to drive 120 miles and still endure the nightmare of LHR, but I'll do (almost) anything for a good deal.

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I would not fly VS again even if they're giving away their tickets. It's just me, I am a spoiled CO traveller. I care about selecting my own seat, and printing my boarding pass and dealing with pleasant F/A. As far as your trip, you should be able to get good deals with EK, QR or even KLM through AMS. You may want to consider Aerlingus, they usually have some amazing deals out of Ireland, if getting there is not a problem for you.

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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:14 am

DZ09 From United States, joined Sep 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted Sun Sep 10 2006 19:59:12 UTC+2 and read 731 times:

yes lower fare and more connections. Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON. I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

Why dont u jus fly direct on EK if ur complaining about going through london!!
 
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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 16):
DZ09 From United States, joined Sep 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted Sun Sep 10 2006 19:59:12 UTC+2 and read 731 times:

yes lower fare and more connections. Say I want to go from NYC to DXB. Why can't I get the same deals and convenience going through AMS or CDG as going through LON. I always try to avoid Lon, and always end up going thru those lousy airports.

Why dont u jus fly direct on EK if ur complaining about going through london!!

As I mentioned before, the NYC-DXB flight does not qualify for CO OnePass Elite miles. I wish that one of these days EK would join the SkyTeam alliance.

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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:31 am

Whoops Sorry Didnt read that statement. I see your point now! Fair Enough but id like to see EK join oneworld!!  Wink
 
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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting DZ09 (Thread starter):
Why aren't other major european hubs such as AMS, FRA or CDG more attractive? certainly the infrastructures at these hubs are considerably better than those of LHR or LGW for example.

AMS I'll give you, it's a fabulous airport. FRA is debatable, although it has it's good ponts. But CDG ??. You're having a laugh if you think that place is any better than LHR or LGW.
 
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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:12 am

London Airports? Do not forget we do have London Airport here in Canada (YXU) Count us in Big grin Now you have 4 London Airports (Heathrow, Stanead, Gatwick and London YXU)  Wow!

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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:19 am

I avoid LHR as well and would much rather transit thru AMS.
AMS is one of the better International airports and far surpasses that gridlocked mess at LHR.
 
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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:18 pm

I've always thought of AMS as a shopping mall that also offers convenient flights to anywhere in the world!!!!
 
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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:43 pm

Quoting Jonno (Reply 22):
I've always thought of AMS as a shopping mall that also offers convenient flights to anywhere in the world!!!!

Lol, Heathrow's the same! And to the thread starter: Can you not use KLM through AMS? Or they too expensive or something? If you want to avoid the London airports that much, you might have to pay more to do so.
 
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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 20):
London Airports? Do not forget we do have London Airport here in Canada (YXU) Count us in Big grin Now you have 4 London Airports (Heathrow, Stanead, Gatwick and London YXU) Wow!

Confusing you?

You don't have to. Many people are already confused enough. Including some airline agents. My wife came back from family visit during the long weekend. She flew KSC-VIE-LHR-YYZ-YXU. The OS agent at KSC had no clue that there is such city as London, ON. She kept asking my wife why she wants to fly to YYZ and then back to LHR, why just don't stay there! It took 25 minutes and help of second agent to figure out the real route and check her in.
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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 20):
Now you have 4 London Airports (Heathrow, Stanead, Gatwick and London YXU)

Don't forget Luton - and if we're trying to be tenious there's Southend, Manston (sorry Kent International), Biggin Hill, Farnborough etc etc etc!!!

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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 20):
Now you have 4 London Airports (Heathrow, Stanead, Gatwick and London YXU)

lets not forget LTN and LCY
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RE: London Aiports

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 23):
Lol, Heathrow's the same! And to the thread starter: Can you not use KLM through AMS? Or they too expensive or something? If you want to avoid the London airports that much, you might have to pay more to do so.

I do see AMS as an upscale mall. I have been traveling with KLM but connecting through LHR. I am actually traveling with them on Thursday on that same route. I did pay more to travel directly from AMS a few times. My original questions is why should London airports have the advantage over AMS, since their airports are nowhere close to matching AMS.

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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:18 am

Alright! So now we have 6 in total ha

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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:17 pm

One can't have it all : It's a vicious circle, if an airport offers the maximum possible connexions, it has to be crowded with lots of traffic and lots of people transiting, giving long queues for immigration, check-in or restaurants. Pure logic.....

Your dream is probably to have a hassle free airport like i.e GVA with the connexion capacity of i.e LHR ??? IMPOSSIBLE
 
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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:26 pm

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 27):
My original questions is why should London airports have the advantage over AMS, since their airports are nowhere close to matching AMS.

The way I see it, the Lodon area has more premium pax O&D traffic than CDG, FRA, or AMS. Therefor, more airlines fly to the London airports with more connection possibilities; This lowers fares for those looking for good deals, as there are lots of airlines competing against each other on these routes, however, lots of flights equals delays and long lines.

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 29):
One can't have it all : It's a vicious circle, if an airport offers the maximum possible connexions, it has to be crowded with lots of traffic and lots of people transiting, giving long queues for immigration, check-in or restaurants. Pure logic.....

Exactly. You can't complain about not being able to earn FF miles on certain sectors if you're not willing to take certain flights to get those miles. If you want to avoid the London airports yet get your CO miles, fly with them through another European hub, and just pay that little bit more. If you want a good fare and your miles, just suck it up and fly through London.

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RE: London Aiports

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 9):
It's also looking likely BAA will have to dispose of one of it's three London airports, with LGW considered the favourite (Least growth potential).

Wow, another example of the idocy that is the PPP. The UK government should just renationalize the airports or put them under local control (TfL, for example). Even the US isn't this stupid about privatization

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 12):
Try arriving at IAD in the afternoon - I'd be happy if it only took an hour to get through immigration there.

You can book a sub-60 minute International-Domestic connection at IAD if you are flying United or Lufthansa and connecting to the same because of the dedicated FIS in the midfield concourses and it works.

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 11):
Quoting DZ09 (Reply 8):
Yeah, I would love those airports if I didn't have to walk 5 miles to get to customs and wait an hour to get through immigration..

The same applies to many airports in the US and other parts of the world. In fact, the most walking and waiting at immigration I've experienced has been in the US.

That is true of YYZ's soon to be demolished T2 as well as partially true at T3 in Canada, but most US airports are significantly better than LHR for walking and clearance times. The only one that I can think of that truly sucks is PHL.
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