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Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:38 pm

Emergency Evacuation at Eastern Iowa Airport
By Mark Geary, Reporter

CEDAR RAPIDS - Passengers on an Allegiant Airlines plane had to evacuate moments after they landed at the Eastern Iowa airport Sunday night.

The plane began filling up with smoke shortly after the plane hit the runway. Then, the pilot called for an emergency evacuation of the flight from Las Vegas.

"We all kind of noticed an odor. Then, all of a sudden, smoke started filling up. Not thick smoke, but an electrical type smoke. Everybody thought we were just going to get off the plane. Then, they decided to use the slides," passenger Lynette Nugent said.

The trip down the emergency slide injured two of the passengers. Doctors are treating them at a local hospital.

Airport officials say there was no fire, and they're still investigating what caused the smoke.

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It was Allegiant Air flight #436 from LAS, a flight that I've flown a few times.

Looks like a rescue flight is planned to pick up the stranded pax waiting for Allegiant flight #437, Allegiant flight #9868 from ICT:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY9868

[Edited 2006-09-11 05:40:04]
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:29 pm

All I can say is once again the media is sensationalizing. The facts have been twisted a bit. Also this is not an emergency landing. The aircraft was holding on the ramp waiting for a gate.

[Edited 2006-09-11 06:39:10]
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:45 pm

Anyone ever notice a G4 plane with 2 red nav lights instead of a red and a green? I've got pictures.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:51 pm

KcrwFlyer I would sure like to see those pictures and I would like to know the tail number please.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 2):
Anyone ever notice a G4 plane with 2 red nav lights instead of a red and a green? I've got pictures.

I'd like to see it as well. But I have to wonder quite what this has to do with the topic -- it might be better served as its own topic.

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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:00 pm

I know what caused the smoke. It was oil smoke.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting Jeb94 (Reply 5):
I know what caused the smoke. It was oil smoke.

What would cause oil smoke?
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:34 pm

There are five things that can cause oil smoke like this. R/H engine, L/H engine, R/H ACM, L/H ACM, and the APU. The smoke appeared shortly after the APU was started and the APU was found to have very little oil in it.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:29 pm

I've seen the same thing happen on a CRJ-200. The plane evacuated due to an "acrid electrical" smoke. Turns out the APU was leaking oil internally causing the smell in the bleed air. You could also smell it from the APU exhaust. It is very pungent, and almost did smell like something electrical burning up.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 2):
Anyone ever notice a G4 plane with 2 red nav lights instead of a red and a green? I've got pictures.

Is that something that is illegal as the green light vs the red light is to differentiate which direction the plane is going??

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Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:58 am

 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:34 am

The aircraft in question was sitting on the ramp, off the gate, with its tail stairs down all day in CID.

I myself sat at CID all day today (10:30am to 4:30pm) waiting on ANY United Express flight to land and get me out of here, after my own flight I was supposed to be working cancelled. Check the CID airport page for some interesting reads. Only two aircraft have landed here today, the rest have all diverted due to the weather!

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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:37 am

Wasn't this also a recurring problem on the BAe-146 for a while ? Seems I remember several flight attendant complaints about APU oil fumes in the cabin.

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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Jeb94 (Reply 1):
All I can say is once again the media is sensationalizing. The facts have been twisted a bit. Also this is not an emergency landing. The aircraft was holding on the ramp waiting for a gate.

What did they twist? Slides=emergency evacuation. Nothing about an emergency landing mentioned in post 1. Just emergency evacuation, which is factual.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 10):
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...4773&filename=1158008680BlZZmu.jpg

Theres a pic.

This is so aganist regulations...
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting 777WT (Reply 14):
This is so aganist regulations...

So is this...
Man 1: "Bring out yer dead!"
Man 2, with woman on shoulders: "Here ya go."
Woman: "I'm not dead yet!"
Man 1: "She's not dead. Sorry, I can't take her sir, it's against regulations."

...or something like that.

Back on topic, I wonder if it was one of their planes that was chartered this weekend for football games, not that it makes any difference. It would have been interesting to see football players using the slides though.

[EDIT] Why two red NAV lights? That is both illegal according to some FAR and dangerous. (That's why it's illegal.) Does Menzies do MX too?

[Edited 2006-09-12 02:36:08]
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting 777WT (Reply 14):
This is so aganist regulations...

yyyyyyyyyyyep.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 15):
EDIT] Why two red NAV lights? That is both illegal according to some FAR and dangerous. (That's why it's illegal.) Does Menzies do MX too?

Thats what i'm trying to figure out.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 15):
Back on topic, I wonder if it was one of their planes that was chartered this weekend for football games, not that it makes any difference. It would have been interesting to see football players using the slides though.

not a charter, this was actually Allegiant's scheduled flight from LAS-CID
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 16):
Quoting 777WT (Reply 14):This is so aganist regulations...
yyyyyyyyyyyep.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 15):EDIT] Why two red NAV lights? That is both illegal according to some FAR and dangerous. (That's why it's illegal.) Does Menzies do MX too?
Thats what i'm trying to figure out.

Look a little closer--there's clearly a green nav light. You are seeing the reddish reflection (caused by your primitive digital camera) of the landing lights, which are extended/on.


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Wingtips are painted red...probably as a result of our ramp staff at TRI directing the wingtip of a G4 MD87 into the jetway...

[Edited 2006-09-12 03:19:03]
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:16 am

Oil Smoke!! Should not add 5W-30 oil in plane  crazy 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 18):
Wingtips are painted red...

This photo probably shows the red tips better.


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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 20):
This photo probably shows the red tips better.

Yes, but in these days of A.net semantics police, I figured it'd be prudent to show that the underside of the wingtip is ALSO red.

Thanks though!
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 21):
Yes, but in these days of A.net semantics police, I figured it'd be prudent to show that the underside of the wingtip is ALSO red.

LOL, true and I thought the same thing but this was the first one I saw with good angle to show the large red area.
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:15 am

Jeb and JBirdAV8r,

I hear the 2 aircraft leased to Nordic plus 1 additional are coming in the next couple of weeks. True?
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:26 pm

That appears to be a reflection from the landing lights off of the bottom of the red wing tips more than the actual nav lights. One ex-Finnair aircraft is already in Tulsa and has been stored there for a few months now. The other two that were leased out will be here before the end of the year. There is also some desire to get a third -87 in storage at GYR online but that may take some time. Its going to be a little noisy in CID tonight. If all goes right that bird won't be there tomorrow at this time.

[Edited 2006-09-12 05:29:00]
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injur

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:44 pm

Sure was an interesting day at CID today....

The weather nothing short of SUCKED. I flew in pretty early in the morning, weren't successful on either of our approaches and ended up diverting. Spent all day with a very unhappy group of people checking weather with dispatch every half hour. Ended up heading back after a 7 hour sit at our alternate and BARELY made it in, I was within seconds of having to go missed and divert again.

Then, headed out of CID.... our outbound ended up being roughly 11 hours late... we only had 3 passengers and 3 bags.

I'm exhausted... thanks to that weather, I had the longest duty day I've had in my history of being an airline pilot.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 17):
not a charter, this was actually Allegiant's scheduled flight from LAS-CID

I realised it was an actual flight, but wondered what it would have been like if this incident had happened this weekend on one of the football charters.
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:24 pm

It would've wound up pretty much the same. An aircraft would've been sent out to recover the flight and mechanics would be sent to get the problem found and resolved enough to ferry the aircraft home.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:22 am

Yes, there is a green nav light, just forward of the red wingtip.
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:32 am

Jeb,

Is Allegiant going after any more birds this year or 1st quarter of next year?

Here's to hoping oli keeps falling so they bring back TOL-LAS.
 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:27 am

Same thing as the AS MD80 at SFO a few months back. Anytime you get smoke after landing its a good sign of a APU issue!

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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 2):
Anyone ever notice a G4 plane with 2 red nav lights instead of a red and a green? I've got pictures



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 15):
So is this...
Man 1: "Bring out yer dead!"
Man 2, with woman on shoulders: "Here ya go."
Woman: "I'm not dead yet!"
Man 1: "She's not dead. Sorry, I can't take her sir, it's against regulations."



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 25):
Sure was an interesting day at CID today....

This thread has become schizophrenic  crazy   crowded   hypnotized   knockout   rotfl 
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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 25):
I'm exhausted... thanks to that weather, I had the longest duty day I've had in my history of being an airline pilot.

At least you made it in and out! My crew and I sat for six hours waiting for our plane to go in (it missed its approach, went back to ORD and sat for several hours before finally cancelling) and then were sent back to the hotel. Yes ... two days in a rainy, fogged in CID. A dream come true!

We got reassigned to work this morning (our day off!!) and flew CID-DEN-CMH. What a day!!! Hows about they get that ILS fixed, eh?

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RE: Allegiant MD-80 Emergency Landing At CID Injures 2

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:05 am

The sensationalism is in the whole "moments after landing" and "the plane began filling up with smoke shortly after hitting the runway" thing. That's not entirely true. The aircraft had landed, taxied off the runway, and was waiting on the ramp for a gate when the APU was started and oil smoke came out of the vents. The aircraft is now back in LAS.