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Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:08 am

I alway wondered why not boarding through the right side. Like a regular bus.

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:10 am

I think historically it goes back to ships.
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:12 am

I always wondered this, but it seems just to be convention.
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:35 am

Because the cargo doors are on the right and catering is done, primarily through the right side doors.

Occasionally boarding can be done through the doors on the right.

But when a plane is parked, baggage is off-loaded, all the baggage carts, the catering trucks, etc., usually prevent a boarding from the right side.
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting Eastern023 (Thread starter):
I alway wondered why not boarding through the right side. Like a regular bus.

As EWRCabincrew noted, the cargo doors are on the right so you have baggage trucks moving about. Also, many planes fuel from the right. The forward and aft galleys are also on the right, so catering needs to use those doors to load and unload. Also, the jetways are designed to load from the left only, in my experience.

Add it all up, and the only logical (if not feasible) choice is the lefthand doors.
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
But when a plane is parked, baggage is off-loaded, all the baggage carts, the catering trucks, etc., usually prevent a boarding from the right side.

That is basically the reason, as all this is going on, on the right hand side, there is alot of room on the left, for boarding etc. Also alot of fuelling points on the aircraft are on the righthand side.

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:24 am

They board on the left in the Northern Hemisphere, and from the right in the Southern Hemisphere.
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting B747FAN (Reply 6):
They board on the left in the Northern Hemisphere, and from the right in the Southern Hemisphere.

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:32 am

On the Dh Comet, the main pax door was the fwd right door. But in the days before airbridges I suppose it doesn't matter. I remember my one and only flight on a BEA Comet 4B, getting on at Orly to fly to LHR and going up the steps to the R1 door.
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plan

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:41 am

Every post above makes an interesting assumption, which is that boarding is on the left because all those other activities mentioned (refueling, catering, etc...) take place on the right. Not to be picky, but what if all those activities were taking place on the right because boarding is taking place on the left? What came first? The catering truck or the passenger?

So why are we boarding from the left?
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 1):
I think historically it goes back to ships.

Sounds very likely

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
Because the cargo doors are on the right and catering is done, primarily through the right side doors.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
As EWRCabincrew noted, the cargo doors are on the right so you have baggage trucks moving about. Also, many planes fuel from the right. The forward and aft galleys are also on the right, so catering needs to use those doors to load and unload. Also, the jetways are designed to load from the left only, in my experience.

Don't you think that the cargodoors etc are on the right because PAX boarding is done from the left?
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:44 am

I think it is simple...who is the KING....the Captain is the king, Captain sits in the left seat.....Captain has best view of the airstair/jetway from their most aft window!! Think about it.

No the real question, who came first, the Capt., passenger, or catering truck?  Smile
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting Eastern023 (Thread starter):
I alway wondered why not boarding through the right side. Like a regular bus.

A bus in the UK has the passenger door on the left  Wink

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:56 am

How does one explain the 747 in the center of the picture?


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Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting Eastern023 (Thread starter):
I alway wondered why not boarding through the right side.

Early industrialization and standardization.  Smile

The left hand side of ships - "port" - is where the passenger ship/boat/ferry always docks and embarks/disembarks.

The right hand side - "starboard" - goes back to the earliest water transport:

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.17900

The terminology became standard. It would have been very confusing on the old flying boats, for example, if they had changed the system.

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):

Thank you for eloquently expanding on what I was trying to say in reply #1!  Smile

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 9):
Not to be picky, but what if all those activities were taking place on the right because boarding is taking place on the left? What came first? The catering truck or the passenger?



Quoting JRadier (Reply 10):
Don't you think that the cargodoors etc are on the right because PAX boarding is done from the left?

Exactly--the catering and baggage handling on the right are effects, rather than causes, of the passengers boarding on the left!
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting B747FAN (Reply 6):
They board on the left in the Northern Hemisphere, and from the right in the Southern Hemisphere.

You must be kidding.
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:44 am

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Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:46 am

What about the rear stairs on the 727s and MDs? Is that left or right...

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 15):
what I was trying to say in reply #1!  

I could see that. I got that.

I just thought maybe a lot of people these days don't know about port and starboard.

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
I just thought maybe a lot of people these days don't know about port and starboard.

An unfortunate tragedy. People should know this stuff cold.
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 13):

I think that that plane is sitting remotly away from a gate. It is not feesable to use a Jetway, and loaders on the same side.
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
The left hand side of ships - "port" - is where the passenger ship/boat/ferry always docks and embarks/disembarks.

The right hand side - "starboard" - goes back to the earliest water transport:

Makes sense 100 %.
Not sure whether it's true or not, but once I was told it had to do with the ancient tradition of mounting horses on the left side.
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 21):
I think that that plane is sitting remotly away from a gate. It is not feesable to use a Jetway, and loaders on the same side.

It look like the jetway is at the 2R door. You could board from this door, but any loading or unloading of cargo is done after boarding, which would result in a delay.
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Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:13 am

Sabina use to have problems with the DC10 Combi because the upper deck cargo door was on the left side. Passengers would have to deplane through 2L so the jetbridge would block the door. No cargo could be removed, or new cargo to be loaded, until the passengers were off the plane. This made hard stand loading ideal for these aircraft


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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
I just thought maybe a lot of people these days don't know about port and starboard

Sad but true. Navigation lights are also derived from nautical tradition. We have a green light on the starboard and red light on the port side. Not mere coincidence.

Quoting B747FAN (Reply 6):
They board on the left in the Northern Hemisphere, and from the right in the Southern Hemisphere.

Due to the coriolis effect.  Big grin
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:15 am

How about this picture? TWA (T-5) Terminal, the Satellite to the right, surrounded with aircraft. Sure looks like the aircraft closest to the terminal has a jet bridge attached to the right (starboard) side of the aircraft.

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Or, complete redemption. Big grin Looks like catering trucks on the left (port) side. I've never seen this picture before. Strange....

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:44 am

The TWA terminal at JFK is one of the only places in the world where right side boarding happened. I think is was Gate 26 on Flight Wing Two.

All 747s at that gate were loaded from the right side.

You can see that in the photo above.

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Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 27):
The TWA terminal at JFK is one of the only places in the world where right side boarding happened. I think is was Gate 26 on Flight Wing Two.

I clearly remember stepping off a TWA 747 on the right side at that gate after arriving from CDG in 1994. Very strange experience! I think almost everyone did a double-take as they came up the aisle.

The only other place I have seen right-side boarding (albeit not through a jetway) was SID, although I didn't leave the aircraft when I stopped en route JNB-JFK. Here is a photo taken about a month after I passed through:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
I just thought maybe a lot of people these days don't know about port and starboard.

You're probably right. I remember, when first learning to sail many years ago, someone telling me to think of port wine in order to remember that red means port. I was way too young to know what port wine was, but it always stuck in my mind! That, and to remember which side the channel markers should be on when entering the harbor, "red right returning"!
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:24 pm

Starbord comes from the word Steerboard which is basically the rudder of a ship which used to be located on the right of the ship, Because of this being on the right the ship could only dock on the left hand side hence the term port for the left. Obivoulsy as a result boarding of a ship was always done on the left hand side and as far as I know is stil done today. There is no real reason planes are like this it is just to keep a general likeness I guess, Aswell as the green and red nav lights also being on the same sides and ships.
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:48 pm

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 24):
Sabina use to have problems with the DC10 Combi because the upper deck cargo door was on the left side. Passengers would have to deplane through 2L so the jetbridge would block the door. No cargo could be removed, or new cargo to be loaded, until the passengers were off the plane. This made hard stand loading ideal for these aircraft

I didn't even know a DC10 Combi existed! Wow! You learn something new every day. Do I see that correctly that the cargo was loaded behind the cockpit and in front of the passengers, where a first class would normally be located?

Really interesting!

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
Because the cargo doors are on the right and catering is done, primarily through the right side doors.

At LHR Terminal 4, we cater through both sides, depending on aircraft type. Widebodies (747/767/777) cater through the starboard side, Airbus narrowbodies cater through the front left and rear left or right doors.

Also, remember the B767 has a bulk cargo door (hold 5) on the port side of the aircraft, not the starboard, so some hold servicing is done here. The 767 and 777 refuels from the port side too.

On remote stands, we always use steps on 2L on a widebody, so that 1L is available for a highlift for additional needs customers. If the highlift is coming out late, just prior to departure, we tend to put it on 2R.
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plan

Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:53 pm

1. Because you always mount a horse on the left side
2. So the captain has less distance to walk to his seat.

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:42 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 32):
1. Because you always mount a horse on the left side

That's the right answer  thumbsup 
First aircrafts were mounted like horses, on the left side; in fact, you was only able to board on the left side because there was a place to attach you foot. From then, all aircrafts began to have doors for pilots on the left side. Then came the passengers, the came the catering and so on..

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plan

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):

The right hand side - "starboard" - goes back to the earliest water transport:

To add to what Mariner has said, starboard was originally steerboard, or the steering board, referring to the rudder which was traditionally mounted on the right side of the ship. The left side became the port side because ships going into port couldn't risk damaging their steering board on the dock.

This logic also applies to modern day pleasure boats. You'll notice that, in most instances, the steering wheel is on the right side of the boat. This is a throwback to the old days.

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:24 pm

Servicing is normally done from the RH Door,apart from Baggage loading.Away from the Pax view.
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:40 pm

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 30):
where a first class would normally be located?

correct!

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Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:49 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 35):
Servicing is normally done from the RH Door,apart from Baggage loading.Away from the Pax view.
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Well we know that, it had been ascertained in the last 34 posts before yours.

What we want to know is *why* did it start happening like that?
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:14 pm

Not all planes have boarded from the left hand side.

In 1982 I flew on an Ilyushin Il-14 from Yichang to Wuhan in China, and boarding was through the rear door on the right hand side.

This was standard for all Il-14s.


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Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:17 pm

Perhaps it was because the Il-14 was the replacement for the Li-2, the Russian copy of the DC-3?


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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:25 pm

... If you wanted to know why you got onto a horse from the left, it dates back to the old cavalry days when you used to have your sword slung on your left hand side (thus to draw it with your right hand).

You got on your horse from the left in order to not drag that long bit of steel across your horse's back (with rather unfortunate side effects).
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 40):
Chuchoteur

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 9):
Every post above makes an interesting assumption, which is that boarding is on the left because all those other activities mentioned (refueling, catering, etc...) take place on the right. Not to be picky, but what if all those activities were taking place on the right because boarding is taking place on the left? What came first? The catering truck or the passenger?

So why are we boarding from the left?

What came first? The chicken or the egg?  rotfl 

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
The left hand side of ships - "port" - is where the passenger ship/boat/ferry always docks and embarks/disembarks.

The right hand side - "starboard" - goes back to the earliest water transpor

Well same question could be asked....why do ships dock on their left side and not the other way around? I still don't get it...
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:24 am

This has been a lengthy post in some regards. I hope I have not stated something someone esle has said. I know that on the DC-9/Md-80/B-717 types of planes, the galley door on the right side is about half the height of the main cabin door. Some planes are designed this way and regardless of intent or wish, must be boarded on the left side of the a/c.
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:41 am

When the 747 was new, TWA used to, at ORD, align jetbridges at R1 and L2. First class passengers boarded through R1 and coach passengers through L2, since the coach cabins were aft of L2.

This way, cargo could still be loaded and unloaded from the forward hold, and catering used the R2 for catering the first class galleys.

IIRC, the DC-3 could be had with a port or starboard-side passenger door. AA had port-side doors, and NW had starboard-side doors. I remember as a kid flying Central Airlines DC-3s, and the door was on the starboard side. So, at MKC, Central DC-3s were parked in the opposite direction that TW and BN 727s were parked.
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:17 am

Might be completely wrong but could it have something to do with the pilot sitting on the left side of the aircraft?

Perhaps not so much for the maneuvering of the aircraft but because a tradition started out in the early days of flying?

Just my two cents...
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 32):
1. Because you always mount a horse on the left side

That comes from a military tradition. In formation, there'd be lots of bumping into each other without standardized mounting. The sword is in a scabbard.

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 27):
The TWA terminal at JFK is one of the only places in the world where right side boarding happened. I think is was Gate 26 on Flight Wing Two.


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Those are both awesome photos AND a great example of loading from the right side. Now...if only an L1011 were in the empty gate in the first pic  Smile

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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 42):
Well same question could be asked....why do ships dock on their left side and not the other way around? I still don't get it...

Did you read the article linked by Mariner in reply 14?
 
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RE: Why Boarding Is On Trhu The Left Doors Of Plane?

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting Eastern023 (Thread starter):
I alway wondered why not boarding through the right side. Like a regular bus.

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Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 1):
I think historically it goes back to ships.

Well, the right side is where most of the service panels and and logistics takes place. Most of the waste water, potable water, lower-deck cargo bay, and service galley's(in the passenger cabin) are located. So the left side is unobstructed, ideal for boarding on the jetbridges. BTW, on US Navy aircraft carriers, the officer and enlisted brow, where the crew boards the ship, are on the starboard side.
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