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TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:38 am

Maybe some of our TAM experts can shed more light. Brief article from the Spanish media confirming TAM plans to begin A330 service between Miami and Asuncion, although nothing else is said. Nothing in the article on if the flight will be non-stop or just simply extending the A330 on the MIA-GRU flight to ASU. Another article suggest that the flight will be TAM Mercosur flight, Paraguay's national airline owned 80% by TAM and 20% by the Paraguay government. I would assume that the way the flight is operated would be similar to how LAN Chile and LAN Ecuador operate, in which TAM will operate the flight, but it will only be a TAM Mercosur coded flight.

TAM currently flies three daily flights between Miami and Manaus, Salvador, and Sao Paulo, and plans to add a daily service to Rio de Janeiro this winter.

Articles (Spanish):
http://www.lanacion.com.py/noticias.php?not=141720&fecha=2006/09/10?
http://www.lanacion.com.py/noticias.php?not=141260
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:49 pm

With TAM in desparate need of more widebodies I cannot imagine that this would be anything else than an extension from GRU. Could also be a plane change there because I doubt that it would be necessary with 332 service. Maybe Felipe or JJMNGR knows more about this.
TAM also are starting up the GIG/CDG route and wants to start a GIG/MIA as well so their widebodies will be busy.
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:54 pm

Will they codeshare beyond MIA with AA?
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting Donzilasse (Reply 1):
With TAM in desparate need of more widebodies I cannot imagine that this would be anything else than an extension from GRU

I agree. I can only imagine ASU-GRU-MIA service in current times.

Quoting Donzilasse (Reply 1):
TAM also are starting up the GIG/CDG route and wants to start a GIG/MIA as well so their widebodies will be busy.

Not to mention LHR-GRU to start next month and MXP-GRU for which TAM already asked permission to operate.

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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:28 pm

Guys, for instance, pure speculation.

In fact TAM PZ has its rights to operate to MIA, as so as to CCS, MAD, BRU and FRA but doesn´t seems these rights are going to be operated soon.

If this comes out from speculation to something real, I will posts asap.

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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:26 am

Please, learn that when government is meddled in launching new flights, it's all chit chat!!!
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 5):
Please, learn that when government is meddled in launching new flights, it's all chit chat!!!


Agreed. Still interesting to discuss none the less. I don't see much coming out of it. I think we will see AA back, though.

[Edited 2006-09-12 17:53:58]
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Agreed. Still interesting to discuss none the less. I don't see much coming out of it. I think we will see AA back, though.

Yes, specially if Nicanor Duarte helps PZ buy two A332 and make it fly ASU-(VVI)-MIA and ASU-(GRU)-MAD, instead of begging AA and JJ one single flight to ASU.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:57 am

Tomorrow TAM will run an A332 flight to ASU due to the need of some spare parts for an aircraft.

JJ9970 GRU 0800 ASU 1000
JJ9971 ASU 1700 GRU 1900

Flight will be operated with PT-MVK

ASU spotters, enjoy!

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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:20 am

I still dont get how ASU doesn't have a direct, reliable connection to MIA, it is the capital of a country for crying out loud. ASU probably has the worst air service in the entire American continent.

I know CM was interested in serving ASU and even applied for authority for PTY-ASU but the high fee structure and the travel agent commission thing scared them away and CM dropped the idea. PTY-ASU was going to happen and the idiotic Paraguayan government made sure it didn't.

The poorest countries in Cntral America have multiple daily connections at least to Miami and to many other countries in the continent. ASU is happy if they see a cessna landing there.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:59 am

IMHO JJ ASU-MAO-MIA would work fine with A320, then just have another JJ plane in MAO to connect to/from BEL and FOR.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
IMHO JJ ASU-MAO-MIA would work fine with A320, then just have another JJ plane in MAO to connect to/from BEL and FOR

The problem is that ASU-MAO is not a good market, and MAO nowadays takes care of a single A320. Better for Tam to upgrade ASU-GRU (using an A319 or A320) and provide connections. With the new service GIG-MIA TAM probably will look to add markets for their GRU-MIA service as they will use CNF, BSB, VIX and SSA thru GIG.

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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 9):
I still dont get how ASU doesn't have a direct, reliable connection to MIA, it is the capital of a country for crying out loud. ASU probably has the worst air service in the entire American continent.

I guess you dont know much about Paraguay. The country continues to isolate itself economically from most of the world plus there is really no tourism industry to speak of.
While most of Latin America moves ahead with vibrant consumer societies Paraguay continues a backwards trek almost reminiscent of East European countries such as Bulgaria or Romania during the cold war years.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 9):
ASU probably has the worst air service in the entire American continent.

I'd say the worst is Georgetown, Guyana.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
IMHO JJ ASU-MAO-MIA would work fine with A320

If on board an A32X, there is another better Mercosur route than MAO: ASU-CCS-MIA.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:51 pm

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 13):
I'd say the worst is Georgetown, Guyana.

At least they have service to New York City and Miami.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 13):
I'd say the worst is Georgetown, Guyana.

PBM may be worse or as bad as GEO.

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 13):
If on board an A32X, there is another better Mercosur route than MAO: ASU-CCS-MIA.

Operated by JJ ? JJ would be looking after giving Brazil an improved airservice not after ASU or CCS.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 9):
I know CM was interested in serving ASU and even applied for authority for PTY-ASU but the high fee structure and the travel agent commission thing scared them away and CM dropped the idea. PTY-ASU was going to happen and the idiotic Paraguayan government made sure it didn't.

The other day I found a news article that states the Paraguayan government is now negotiating with them (and TA as well) to start ops in the country by year's end. Here's the link (in Spanish): http://www.lanacion.com.py/noticias.php?not=141720&fecha=2006/09/10
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 15):
Operated by JJ ? JJ would be looking after giving Brazil an improved airservice not after ASU or CCS.

There is TAM BRASIL (JJ) and TAM MERCOSUR (PZ). I was talking about Tam Mercosur bringing two A32X for a supposedly ASU-XXX-MIA flight.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:09 am

Interesting, I did not know that TAM is doing MIA-Salvador nowadays, looks like it is only once a week on Sundays, but is a great option for getting there directly without going all the way down to GRU. And I love Salvador...
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 17):
There is TAM BRASIL (JJ) and TAM MERCOSUR (PZ). I was talking about Tam Mercosur bringing two A32X for a supposedly ASU-XXX-MIA flight.

Then why not let JJ fly FOR-BEL-MIA and PZ fly ASU-MAO-MIA? IMHO, there may be a market for ASU-MAO, look why there is (was) VVI-MAO by LB and VVI doesn't even have a Duty Free Zone like ASU (Ciudad del Este) and MAO have.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 19):
Then why not let JJ fly FOR-BEL-MIA and PZ fly ASU-MAO-MIA?

There are operating hurdles with flying MIA-BEL with an A320. It would need an A319 to operate with no restrictions.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
There are operating hurdles with flying MIA-BEL with an A320. It would need an A319 to operate with no restrictions.

What PBM and GEO would give to have JJ stop overthere enroute to/from MIA, but the PBM/GEO <> BEL traffic will leave a lot to be desired.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 21):

What PBM and GEO would give to have JJ stop overthere enroute to/from MIA, but the PBM/GEO <> BEL traffic will leave a lot to be desired.

Actually, there is substational traffic between Belem and the Guiana Shield. Surinam Airways has flown Paramaibo-Belem for as long as I can remember, while Air Caraibes flies Cayenne-Belem.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:56 pm

Does Paraguay currently have any airlines of its own?

Back in the good 'ol days MIA had flights from LAP with a DC10 and DC8s. Then in the mid 90s Lapsa (in cooperation with Saeta) flew to MIA with one or two A320s (not sure how many they used) One had Lapsa colors in one side only.

Lapsa also had an A310, where did that one fly to?
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 23):
Does Paraguay currently have any airlines of its own?

TAM Mercosur, who is proposing the flights which would be operated by TAM A330s.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting Coyoteguy (Reply 18):
Interesting, I did not know that TAM is doing MIA-Salvador nowadays, looks like it is only once a week on Sundays, but is a great option for getting there directly without going all the way down to GRU. And I love Salvador...

SSA keep service also to Europe: Daily flight to LIS with A332 (TP), 4x weekly to MAD with 763/A332 (Air Europa). IIRC SSA keep a weekly charter service from UK also !

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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
TAM Mercosur, who is proposing the flights which would be operated by TAM A330s.

Thanks but that's TAM, a foreign airline (doesn't conut) just like if you told me Pero had LanPeru, etc  Smile
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 26):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
TAM Mercosur, who is proposing the flights which would be operated by TAM A330s.

Thanks but that's TAM, a foreign airline (doesn't conut) just like if you told me Pero had LanPeru, etc Smile

TAM Mercosur is controlled by the Paraguay government, which owns 80% of the airline. TAM Mercosur does use and benefit from the TAM name, but the relationship between TAM and TAM Mercosur is more akin to that between Continental and COPA, not between LAN Chile and LAN Peru.
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
TAM Mercosur is controlled by the Paraguay government, which owns 80% of the airline. TAM Mercosur does use and benefit from the TAM name, but the relationship between TAM and TAM Mercosur is more akin to that between Continental and COPA, not between LAN Chile and LAN Peru.

Allow me a correction, TAM bought 80% of LAP and nowadays they keep 94,98% and Paraguay Government only 5,02%. TAM Mercosur is controlled by TAM and not by the Paraguay Government.

For more info you can see www.tam.com.py or TAM consolidated balance sheet at www.tam.com.br

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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 28):

Allow me a correction, TAM bought 80% of LAP and nowadays they keep 94,98% and Paraguay Government only 5,02%. TAM Mercosur is controlled by TAM and not by the Paraguay Government.

Thanks, I thought that Paraguay had 80% and TAM had 20%. When did TAM buy the other 14,98%?
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 29):
Thanks, I thought that Paraguay had 80% and TAM had 20%. When did TAM buy the other 14,98%?

In fact they do not bought more shares. During the last 7 years they made 2 capital increases (it's reduced Paraguay Government share on Tam Mercosur as they do not increase capital). I tried to obtain the rights dates, but documents (even on Tam investor relations website) are not so clear.

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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
TAM Mercosur is controlled by the Paraguay government, which owns 80% of the airline. TAM Mercosur does use and benefit from the TAM name, but the relationship between TAM and TAM Mercosur is more akin to that between Continental and COPA, not between LAN Chile and LAN Peru.

You are right, but as someone who not only enjoys variety but enjoys photographing airliners to me TAM Mercosur is still TAM since the paintscheme is the same. In my (perhaps narrowminded view) Paraguay has no airlines of its own  Smile
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:09 am

I don't see it happening.
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 31):
You are right, but as someone who not only enjoys variety but enjoys photographing airliners to me TAM Mercosur is still TAM since the paintscheme is the same. In my (perhaps narrowminded view) Paraguay has no airlines of its own

Also TAM Mercosur fleet is in fact part of TAM Fleet with Brazilian registration.

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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 33):
Also TAM Mercosur fleet is in fact part of TAM Fleet with Brazilian registration.

Thanks for clearing that up. So no Paraguayan registered airliners at all? Maybe no small regional airlines there either flying turboprops and such?
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:56 pm

I was in ASu in 2000
I flew locally a flight form ASU to Ciudad del Este
and went to Iguacu falls for the day
The company was Arpa or Varpa "aerolinas paraguayas"
I guess that it does not fly anymore.
It was a small 10 seater machine
I think I got pics somewhere
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 35):
I was in ASu in 2000
I flew locally a flight form ASU to Ciudad del Este
and went to Iguacu falls for the day
The company was Arpa or Varpa "aerolinas paraguayas"
I guess that it does not fly anymore.
It was a small 10 seater machine
I think I got pics somewhere

Interesting. Upload the pics if you can. I was thinking, something more of like an ATR42-sized aircraft, or even some Beech1900s or Metroliners. There doesn't seem to have been a regional airline in Paraguay that have flown similarly sized planes in recent times.
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 36):
Interesting. Upload the pics if you can. I was thinking, something more of like an ATR42-sized aircraft, or even some Beech1900s or Metroliners. There doesn't seem to have been a regional airline in Paraguay that have flown similarly sized planes in recent times.

Hi Miami,
ok I will do this to morrow
it is late !!
 
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RE: TAM Plans MIA-ASU

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:55 pm

Miami,

I opened a new topic
for the subject
see "last paraguayan airline"

thks
Marcus