albird87
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Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:17 pm

I was just wondering why Boeing decided not to build the 777-100 which was a shorter aircraft and desgined for domestic services and also a direct replacement for the L1011s that were in the Delta and Continental fleets. they did get this direct replacement but it was in the form of the 767-400ER. My question is why did they not just stick with the 777-100? I mean both 777 and 767 were in service at this time? was it more about costs or time limits?
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Stitch
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RE: Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:20 pm

As with many "shrinks", the 777-100 would have been too heavy for the mission profiles she was designed for, which raised CASM too high to make her financially viable for most (if not all) operators.
 
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RE: Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:00 pm

Actually, I believe the -100 was intended to be what is now the -200LR. But technological advances was able to create the ultra long hual aircraft on the -200 platform.
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RE: Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:17 pm

As Stitch said, the 777-100 would have been too heavy to become a good airplane. It would probably cost too much lighten up the 777-100 in order to make it competitive in CASM against the 767-400ER.

IIRC Delta and Continental did not need the additional cargo capability on the routes that they wanted the plane for, and therefore they got the cheaper to develop 767-400ER which shares some components with the 777 with similar brakes, and cockpit.
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RE: Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:32 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
As with many "shrinks", the 777-100 would have been too heavy for the mission profiles she was designed for, which raised CASM too high to make her financially viable for most (if not all) operators.

Too true, most shrinks have proven to be real slow-sellers, like the A318, 736 or 747-SP.
Add in in the case of Delta that the 777 has too large of a wingspan to operate from LGA. Being able to fit into L1011/DC-10-sized gates was one of the reasons for DL in choosing the 764 over the 777 for domestic routes.
 
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RE: Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:46 am

There were pilot pay issues as well, right? Triple 7 captain's pay vs. 76X captain's pay.
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Stitch
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RE: Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 5):
There were pilot pay issues as well, right? Triple 7 captain's pay vs. 76X captain's pay.

I am sure there were, but if the 771 was a better revenue-generator then the 764, the extra crew costs would have been more then covered.  Smile
 
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RE: Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Albird87 (Thread starter):
also a direct replacement for the L1011s that were in the Delta and Continental fleets. they did get this direct replacement but it was in the form of the 767-400ER

It replaced our DC-10s. We never had the L-1011 (came close with EAs equipment. I was crossed trained on them in 1987 in the event we took them over from EA).
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RE: Why No 777-100 Than 767-400er

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 2):
I believe the -100 was intended to be what is now the -200LR.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/1995/news.release.950710-c.html

VerWey said the Boeing 777-100X is an airplane designed in response to airlines' interest in providing direct, non-stop service to new destinations. With greater range, faster cruise speed, more passenger comfort, and better economics than competitive alternatives, the 777-100X could establish new standards in market flexibility including the ability to fly non-stop from the west coast of the United States to Singapore.

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