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Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:12 pm

Looks like DL will finally be holding a press conference tomorrow to announce the details of the new longhaul domestic product in ATL at 1 p.m. EDT. There will also be a live video feed available on DL's website. It all sounds very exciting.  praise 

More info here:
http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10361
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:22 pm

Starting with 48 ex-Song 757..

this was much expected and announced earlier.. I wonder what new information they will add..
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:51 pm

Any word on what the seat pitch will be in coach?
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:08 pm

OMG!! IFE!!! Someone will be happy.
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):
OMG!! IFE!!! Someone will be happy.

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I think the anxiety and excitement of the announcement will keep him up all night.
 
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:22 pm

All ready been on a converted Song airplane. Still in Song colors but was 2 class with the new tv's. In F the TV's are in the seatback not on an arm and the satellite is on all the time now.


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Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 5):
All ready been on a converted Song airplane. Still in Song colors but was 2 class with the new tv's. In F the TV's are in the seatback not on an arm and the satellite is on all the time now.

Did they keep the extra seat pitch from Song in Y, or is it back to standard?
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 5):
All ready been on a converted Song airplane. Still in Song colors but was 2 class with the new tv's. In F the TV's are in the seatback not on an arm and the satellite is on all the time now.

Any idea what aircraft that was? Reg wise.

I have flown on a few 757s recently repainted but they were all in y class still. I can't wait to have F in those song planes.

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Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:34 pm

N6701 was the reg. Same seat pitch in Y I guess. I rode in F out to LAX last night. Also in F the movies are Free!!!!! Saw Nacho Libre and DaVinci Code on the way out. NBC and A&E were the only 2 channels that did not work.



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Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:42 pm

So basically jetblue with first class.... unless some major food program is announced too
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
I wonder what new information they will add..

The initial routes that these a/c will operate. Also, there will be an interactive tutorial at Delta.com dealing with these modified a/c including pictures. Enjoy!
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 9):
So basically jetblue with first class.... unless some major food program is announced too

It would be nice if they kept the Song B-O-B items. Song had great food and it was reasonably priced for the quality and quantity. Especially for flights to the west coast from ATL/JFK, they need a better food option.
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 10):
The initial routes that these a/c will operate.

It seems the initial routes can be found in the photo section on Delta's website. Check out:

http://news.delta.com/digital_index.cfm

Scroll down and click on the maps for ATL, SLC and JFK. There are also photos of the 757 interiors and exteriors.
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:56 pm

Here's the official press release:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060913/105167.html

Looks like BOB in Y will return in the near future. Also, Y seat pitch will remain the Song-like 33".

18 a/c will rollout a month between Sept and Nov with the new cabins.
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:30 pm

Awesome! Now I can't wait to fly on these planes! No more funny colored seats either! Haha! I'm flying to LAX Friday and back Sat night. I don't know how many are done yet but I'd like to get on one of these if possible! If I do, I'm taking some cabin shots after the flight.

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Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:47 pm

What I find strange is that the lavatory signs are not the fluorescent, symbol-based type. On Delta's 757s with the refurbished interior, they removed the incandescent, text-based signs with a fluorescent sign that shows a man and woman with a sink in the center, and shows a red X when occupied. I thought that after Delta converts the ex-Song aircraft to standard configuration, they would have updated the illuminated signs. Also, some of the older ex-Song 757s with the older PSUs should get their PSUs updated IMO.
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 13):
Also, Y seat pitch will remain the Song-like 33".

Delta should try a 33" pitch on all their planes, and make them wider to boot! The last time I flew DL (1999) it was extremely  crowded . My folks recently flew to ATL on one of their new 737-800s and said the seating was the same!
 
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting ORD (Reply 12):
It seems the initial routes can be found in the photo section on Delta's website. Check out:

http://news.delta.com/digital_index.cfm

Scroll down and click on the maps for ATL, SLC and JFK. There are also photos of the 757 interiors and exteriors

Interesting that the lone 757 that flies to PNS will be equipped with the new long-haul product.

Also,the JFK map lists JFK-PDX as a transcon route that will have the new service. Since DL doesn't currently fly JFK-PDX, it's either a typo or DL will be relaunching the route.

[Edited 2006-09-13 17:08:25]
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:09 am

Unless DL starts offering service on par with UA P.S., DL's "premium" transcon produce will still be a red headed step child. Flying the JFK-SFO and JFK-LAX routes, I expect (and will pay) for 50" C and 60" F......38-40" on ex-Song 757 is a joke...no matter how much they try and trick it up with TV on demand. It's all about the service, pitch and seat quality if they want to talk about "premium" product. And to date, DL lags light years behind the other legacy's on premium domestic transcon long haul service.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting Remymartin11 (Reply 18):
Unless DL starts offering service on par with UA P.S., DL's "premium" transcon produce will still be a red headed step child.

I take sfo-jfk alot and the flights are always packed. and that was with the old interiors. so they must be doing something right.
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:20 am

That IFE is better than anything out there. Movies, TV, Games, and MP3's. Satellite Radio would be nice, but if you can't find something in that list that suits you, you need help. It is also interesting to note that the 738's will be getting this too. B6 and F9 are getting a run for the money in the entertainment department, while most of us do not choose a flight that way, Delta's new product may sway some people.
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:23 am

Excellent news, good to finally see the new interiors. Certainly looks more appropriate than the multi-colored Song interior.

Quoting Remymartin11 (Reply 18):
I expect (and will pay)

Well, you maybe, but most travellers in the US don't.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 17):
Interesting that the lone 757 that flies to PNS will be equipped with the new long-haul product.

Well, SAV, or SMF from SLC couldn't really be expected either.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 17):
Also,the JFK map lists JFK-PDX as a transcon route that will have the new service. Since DL doesn't currently fly JFK-PDX, it's either a typo or DL will be relaunching the route.

Will definitely be interesting to see how this turns out.
That said, I'm surprised about the lack of BOS flights. Certainly not a vote of confidence for that market.
 
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Remymartin11 (Reply 18):
And to date, DL lags light years behind the other legacy's on premium domestic transcon long haul service.

Lag's behind who? UA and AA? Yes, they don't have three classes or proper full-first seats.

CO, US, NW? Not at all, in fact, CO and DL are probably at par and years ahead of US and NW.

CO has the food and the consistency of service, DL has the F/As and the new entertainment.

Seems like good times for all four carriers!




Now, my only gripe, I wish in F they had put the PTVs in the armrests!

[Edited 2006-09-13 17:38:03]
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:46 am

It sounds great...but I am curious to see how it will compete with United's p.s. service at JFK. It looks like Delta will have to price it lower than United's p.s. service to complete because DL's First will have 38'' pitch while United's has 54'' and 68'' pitch in Business and First, respectively.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:50 am

In my opinion, it is now time for FL to upgrade its coach service in order to remain competitve with DL out of ATL. I'm not suggesting LiveTV, but maybe offer some sort of BOB product, I'm not sure. Any ideas?

The problem is, if the fares are similar, I'm sure people would rather fly on an aircraft with more comfortable coach seats, more pitch, and on-demand entertainment.

It is something that FL needs to look at....DL seems serious about this turnaround. They are doing what they can now to plant the seeds for a successful future.

It will be interesting to see how all of this will pan out.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:55 am

Anybody know how much it costs to purchase movies and games in economy? I'm assuming the music and television is free, is that correct?

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but in this link, there is a 4 and a half minute video on the new IFE. Under "What's the news?" click "English" to download the video:

http://news.delta.com/article10355.html
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:57 am

DFW is already seeing these "IFE" flights with the ex-song aircraft.

Looking into the future schedules, DFW will be seeing these aircraft
on a regular basis. Great for Delta customers...good move towards
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:11 am

This is good news indeed. However, if they are going to do this on the 757's when will they get around to the 738's they use more and more on transcons and long flights like ATL-SJC?

As a sideline, whose IFE system will be used?

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Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting Remymartin11 (Reply 18):
Unless DL starts offering service on par with UA P.S., DL's "premium" transcon produce will still be a red headed step child. Flying the JFK-SFO and JFK-LAX routes, I expect (and will pay) for 50" C and 60" F......38-40" on ex-Song 757 is a joke...no matter how much they try and trick it up with TV on demand. It's all about the service, pitch and seat quality if they want to talk about "premium" product. And to date, DL lags light years behind the other legacy's on premium domestic transcon long haul service.

If you don't recall, DL used to have BizElite on their transcons complete with 60" pitch BE seats, gourmet meals, etc. Guess what? Not enough people bit. This is a nice compromise in between. And this transcon offering in Y is certainly 'premium' compared to AA's and UA's Y (yes, even p.s. Y does not have PTVs and has transitioned to a Food For Purchase program).
 
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting ORD (Reply 12):
Scroll down and click on the maps for ATL, SLC and JFK. There are also photos of the 757 interiors and exteriors.

Let me tell you, coach cabin shot two with the PTV's looks amazing with the classic delta interior colors. Makes it look like light years ahead of the competition. With Song, it looked somewhat like flying in a romper room plane but this is awesome looking.

Quoting Remymartin11 (Reply 18):
Unless DL starts offering service on par with UA P.S., DL's "premium" transcon produce will still be a red headed step child. Flying the JFK-SFO and JFK-LAX routes, I expect (and will pay) for 50" C and 60" F......

DL doesnt advertise a premium transcon product. Read the news release. Also, glad you have money for your UA premie flights, not everyone does. Here is a clip of what DL advertises, read and enjoy.

Delta Provides Front Row Seat to Great Entertainment for Domestic Transcontinental Customers

Airline Announces New Standard in Two-Class Transcontinental Travel with TV, Movies, Music, Video Games and More ~ Available on Demand ~ at Every Passenger’s Seat

With this new service, Delta will be the first and only U.S. carrier offering two-classes of service with digital video on-demand

[Edited 2006-09-13 18:15:37]
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 15):
What I find strange is that the lavatory signs are not the fluorescent, symbol-based type

Seriously?

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Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 27):
As a sideline, whose IFE system will be used?

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Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:27 am

It looks like JFK-PDX is a typo on the map. On the fact sheet, JFK-PDX is not listed as one of the city pairs.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 22):
Now, my only gripe, I wish in F they had put the PTVs in the armrests!

Can they get the same size LCD in the armrest sets? The bottom line is the 752s all need to be remodeled since the existing TV screens are ancient relics and can't be seen very well from all seats. With all the LCD Flat-pannel technology available at an affordable price (I just upgraded my PC display to a 22" ViewSonic VX2235wm for $350.00 from Costco), this is a smart move by DL to upgrade existing equipment for these long trans-con routes. I'm glad to see SLC getting a significant number of them as well.
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 21):
That said, I'm surprised about the lack of BOS flights. Certainly not a vote of confidence for that market.

I'm kind of suprised at this move also. It was only last year that they had 763s on the route. They were always pretty full when I flew them. If anything, I think they might feel that BOS is a relatively low yield market. With no dominant carrier and MHT just a drive away, prices stay fairly low. But I can't believe its any more low yield than PNS. Does anyone know if they plan on getting rid of the 757s on that route also?
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 27):
However, if they are going to do this on the 757's when will they get around to the 738's they use more and more on transcons and long flights like ATL-SJC?

Some 738 and domestic 763s will be slotted in between the 757 mods. As the press release said, by the end of November all JFK transcons will have the new cabins, which includes the 738 JFK-SAN...

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 25):
Anybody know how much it costs to purchase movies and games in economy? I'm assuming the music and television is free, is that correct?

US$5 for movies in Y. Yes, music and television are free.

Quoting ATLflyer (Reply 23):
but I am curious to see how it will compete with United's p.s. service at JFK. It looks like Delta will have to price it lower than United's p.s. service to complete because DL's First will have 38'' pitch while United's has 54'' and 68'' pitch in Business and First, respectively.

They are already competing with AA and UA today, with the no-PTV 757s/738s. You won't see specific pricing adjustments as a result of the launch of this product; DL's oneway "A" discounted First fare is already below UA's one-way Business fare in the JFK-LAX market for example- about a $110 difference or so...
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:55 am

I just flew the Widget again last week after a long hiatus, and I was incredibly entertained with the IFE that was on the 75 I took SFOATL (DL1648 on 9/8, for those who can use that info to get the tail number -- was that one of the ex-Song 75s?) I'd definitely start banking Skymiles again for domestic long-haul if all of their planes were to receive this treatment (UA is decidedly my carrier of choice for international.)
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 33):
Can they get the same size LCD in the armrest sets?

They did on row 9 of former song a/c so not sure why they wouldn't in F.
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:28 am

just to make sure the PTV 757s are listed on the delta timetable as 752??? and the regular non ptv 75s are listed as 757????

how will they note the 738s with ptvs???
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 38):
just to make sure the PTV 757s are listed on the delta timetable as 752??? and the regular non ptv 75s are listed as 757????

how will they note the 738s with ptvs???

In the very near future, as the press release indicated, delta.com schedules and reservations will identify these PTV flights with a "TV" Icon next to the flight number.
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 35):
Some 738 and domestic 763s will be slotted in between the 757 mods. As the press release said, by the end of November all JFK transcons will have the new cabins, which includes the 738 JFK-SAN...

I still think DL will upgrade the new-and-improved SAN-JFK flight (referring to the new 8:05 am departure time) to a 757 sooner rather than later... maybe in November? After all, they are now serious about this flight and are going head-to-head with AA's long-established, business-traveler oriented 757, flt 160. Maybe next summer (?) one of these players will even put a wide-body on this morning trip... I'll be watching to see if B6 joins in the battle as well.

This is a very positive move by the Widget!

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Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 39):
In the very near future, as the press release indicated, delta.com schedules and reservations will identify these PTV flights with a "TV" Icon next to the flight number.

Just wait until all the hullabaloo starts when a last minute aircraft switch has to be made, and pax get upset that they aren't going to get to watch their precious TV's......
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:50 am

Shouldn't be much worse than all those flights I've taken over the years when they couldn't get the projection systems to work so there was no movie -- those riots in the aisle were very distracting!  Wink When calm finally prevailed, the passengers were forced to talk, read, look out the windows or sleep.

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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:54 am

Looks nice, but will they ever bring the Sky-Lounge back? Or Royal-Crown service in F maybe?

 
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:09 am

Hey, where'd you get that picture of me in those really swell argyles?

(Nice find, DeltaOwns.)

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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:06 am

RDU gets 7 out of 11 757's a day.. and none of them are going to be the upgraded version.. Ah sookie sookie, now!
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:28 am

Too bad ABQ which from ATL is almost 4 hours is still MD-88 with the occasinal 757 from ATL or CVG. Oh well you know what they say that the window is the best IFE.
 
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 22):
CO has the food and the consistency of service, DL has the F/As and the new entertainment.

Why insult CO F/As? I find them to be very good.

And 1/2 the LAX flights on CO are 752s with 55" pitch and PTV in F, soon to be AVOD.
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RE: Delta To Annouce New Long Haul Domestic Product

Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 16):
Delta should try a 33" pitch on all their planes, and make them wider to boot!

And how do you propose they make them wider? Only 5 seats? Only 4 seats? Not going to happen.

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 16):
The last time I flew DL (1999) it was extremely

No tighter in width than any other US carrier and given the pitch on the other domestic carriers not much difference there either.

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 16):
My folks recently flew to ATL on one of their new 737-800s and said the seating was the same!

Because it is the same width as a 757. 6 seats across in the back.

Quoting Remymartin11 (Reply 18):
Unless DL starts offering service on par with UA P.S., DL's "premium" transcon produce will still be a red headed step child. Flying the JFK-SFO and JFK-LAX routes

Completely different type of product offering for the business traveller. Does every flight on those city pairs use p.s. service? I doubt it though DL will have the new product on all the flights.

Quoting Remymartin11 (Reply 18):
And to date, DL lags light years behind the other legacy's on premium domestic transcon long haul service

Huh? As someone who has flown some longhauls on other carriers in the US over the last year I would say they all are equally bland other than the p.s. service. DL at least gives you alcohol on the ground versus UA which is just water or OJ.
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Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 38):
how will they note the 738s with ptvs???

They should use 73H and put winglets on them at the same time.

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 46):
Too bad ABQ which from ATL is almost 4 hours is still MD-88 with the occasinal 757 from ATL or CVG.

DL's scheule says you have one MD-88 and 2 757's a day and the flights are barely over three hours, which usually means no movie. Some exaggeration? The TUS and PHX MD-88 flights to ATL are on the IFE MD-88's. I guess they don't send them to ABQ. Arizona is a little farther though.

What is bad is the winter TUS-EWR nonstop on CO. No IFE both ways, although going to EWR is a redeye and not necessary. Going back is 6 hours on a little 735 with nada.
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