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911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:19 pm

I was looking through a family members Life or Time magazine book about the 911 attacks, and it had a picture of the first plane about to hit the north tower in it. It was taken from south of the buildings, and all you could see was the wing as it was banking to hit the first tower. It definately was the first tower, as there was no smoke, fire or crash yet. Has anyone else seen this?
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:38 pm

I have seen amateur video footage that the media broadcast showing the first a/c hit - The whole event was and still is an extremely sobering event.

I am sure that stills of the first plane have being viewed by many, many ppl.

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:40 pm

Memory's of the day not only was America but the WORLD was under attack by terrorist!!!
'We'll Never Forget'

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 1):
I have seen amateur video footage that the media broadcast showing the first a/c hit - The whole event was and still is an extremely sobering event.

That actually wasn't amateur video ... that was a professional film crew filming a documentary on the fire department (they were following a new firefighter through his first months of training, then his probationary period on the job).

Through sheer circumstance, they had gone out with a crew from the firehouse they were filming in on a gas leak call.

While filming the process of checking for the gas leak they (and everyone else around them) heard the loud-as-hell jet engine sound and he pivoted up, and captured the 767 just as it impact the tower.

You can see the whole thing as it happened if you watch CBS' 9-11 documentary, which is a truly rivetting piece of video. Following that, the videographer followed his fire chief to the tower, and was actually filming from inside Tower 1 during the rescue operations, the impact of the 2nd plane on Tower 2, and then the collapse of Tower 2 ... and then their escape from Tower 1 prior to its collapse.

It's really, really (as you can well imagine) quite intense.

The IMDB link is : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0312318/

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:20 pm

You can watch that CBS special on their website by the way..

available for download at http://www.cbs.com/
scroll down to the bottom
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting Litz (Reply 3):
they were following a new firefighter through his first months of training, then his probationary period on the job

Hope that Fire fighter wasn't killed. I think that film of the first aircraft hitting the tower will go down in history as one of the best shots and will be used in History lessons etc
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting Litz (Reply 3):
While filming the process of checking for the gas leak they (and everyone else around them) heard the loud-as-hell jet engine sound and he pivoted up, and captured the 767 just as it impact the tower.

you mean the first plane, the AA 757 not 767
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 6):
you mean the first plane, the AA 757 not 767

No 757's were involved in the Twin Towers. Both were 767's. The AA 757 hit the Pentagon, while the United 757 crashed in PA.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:54 pm

There was a picture somewhere that was taken by a tourist, he/she was photographing their friend at the edge of the WTC and all you could see was the AA B752 coming in behinf them.

Made me feel pretty funny after it...

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:56 pm

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 1):

Try this video. It's a bit long. Aprox 20 minutes, but it's new footage from 9/11/01.... RIP
http://www.revver.com/view.php?id=59686
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:00 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8):

Yes, the B752 in this shot was used.


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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8):
There was a picture somewhere that was taken by a tourist, he/she was photographing their friend at the edge of the WTC and all you could see was the AA B752 coming in behinf them.

That picture was a fake. After it came out and made the rounds on the internet, there was a thread here on A.net, and it showed the original picture of the AA767 that was photoshop'ed into the tourist pic.

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:13 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 6):
Quoting Litz (Reply 3):
While filming the process of checking for the gas leak they (and everyone else around them) heard the loud-as-hell jet engine sound and he pivoted up, and captured the 767 just as it impact the tower.

you mean the first plane, the AA 757 not 767

AA11 was a B763 that hit the first tower, AA175 (B752) hit the pentagon
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
AA11 was a B763 that hit the first tower, AA175 (B752) hit the pentagon

AA flight 11 was a B767-200.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:23 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8):
There was a picture somewhere that was taken by a tourist, he/she was photographing their friend at the edge of the WTC and all you could see was the AA B752 coming in behinf them.

Made me feel pretty funny after it...

Thanks
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Ever stop to wonder how the camera with that picture would have survived the tower collapse, been found, and was in good enough condition to upload to the internet?

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:25 pm

i watched the footage, it seems like a 757 hitting the tower first, not a 767....does anyone have a clear pic of the first plane from the fireman's footage?
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:30 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 15):
i watched the footage, it seems like a 757 hitting the tower first, not a 767....does anyone have a clear pic of the first plane from the fireman's footage?

It's a 767. I've never seen a still from the footage, but it's pretty clear if you watch the video.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:40 pm

Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 9):
Try this video. It's a bit long. Aprox 20 minutes, but it's new footage from 9/11/01.... RIP
http://www.revver.com/view.php?id=59686

Wow...it really conveys the emotions of those poor people, standing in their apartment watching world events literally unfold in front of their very eyes. Very moving. Thank you.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Hope that Fire fighter wasn't killed. I think that film of the first aircraft hitting the tower will go down in history as one of the best shots and will be used in History lessons etc

from what i recall that entire unit perished that day.
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:44 pm

Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 14):

If it really did happen (wrong aircraft obviously thou), it is surprising at what picture repairing can do at photo shops

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 15):

It was an AA B767 that hit the WTC tower, not a B752. Flight schedules for that day said B767, AA confirmed a B767, FAA confirmed a B767
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:48 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
from what i recall that entire unit perished that day.

Actually everyone made it, rookie and all!

[Edited 2006-09-13 09:49:32]
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Hope that Fire fighter wasn't killed.

No, the Probationary Firefighter, Tony Benatatos was not killed. He was missing for several hours but he eventually returned to the fire house.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:13 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 21):

No, the Probationary Firefighter, Tony Benatatos was not killed. He was missing for several hours but he eventually returned to the fire house.

I remember watching that film here in Australia - I think they played it on the 1st anniversary of the strike, not sure though.

It certainly is a very high-quality documentary, and very interesting to see how a plain docco about firefighters can turn into one of the most authentic pieces of footage about that day. The sounds of bodies and debris hitting the glass outside while the brigade are inside tower 1 is still as vivid as yesterday.

There was a documentary on here in Australia not too long ago about the picture a journalist took of The Falling Man, seen here. I missed it myself, but it really did capture the feelings and circumstances of the moment. Did anyone see it? What did I miss?
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:19 pm

Quoting Fdex727 (Reply 20):
Actually everyone made it, rookie and all!

glad to hear it!
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:22 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
AA11 was a B763 that hit the first tower, AA175 (B752) hit the pentagon

No,

AA11 was a 767-200 which hit the North Tower of the WTC
UA175 was a 767-200 which hit the South Tower of the WTC
AA77 was a 757-200 which struck the Pentagon
UA93 was a 757-200 which went down in Shanksville, PA
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:30 pm

Film was by Jules & Gedeon Naudet, both french film makers
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:37 pm

Quoting Jbguller (Reply 22):
Did anyone see it? What did I miss?

I didn't see the documentary you speak of but I do remember the first few times that picture was published and the uproar it caused. And, rightly so, if you ask me. Was there no consideration for that man's loved ones? Silly me. This IS the media we're talking about, isn't it? I forgot, it's all about what attracts viewers and what sells newspapers. Pathetic.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:44 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 26):
Was there no consideration for that man's loved ones?

He's not even recognizable, but, yes, I agree...sorta. I think there is a place for photographs like this, but not on the front page. Also, let us be thankful that the truly graphic images, that I have seen myself, were not published in newspapers and magazines. Let's keep this thread about aviation from here on out.

Quoting Bucks918 (Thread starter):
Has anyone else seen this?

I'm not sure I know of the photo to which you refer. Could someone post which side of which buildings were hit, and from what direction, for those of us who are unfamiliar with the layout of the area? That might help us get closer to the opener's answer.

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting Litz (Reply 3):
That actually wasn't amateur video ... that was a professional film crew filming a documentary on the fire department (they were following a new firefighter through his first months of training, then his probationary period on the job).

If you get the chance watch this Documentary....!!! It was very well done and very chilling. I enjoyed it because the first half talks about this young guy going through his training and his 'Probie' period. After the events on the morning of Sept 11th the story sticks with him..... for the most part and what he was going through and actually has video and audio from indside the lobby of Tower 2 as Tower 1 came down.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
from what i recall that entire unit perished that day.

Not true... they all made it.

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:13 pm

From what i know the first plane hit from the north side and the second one hit from the south side : http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/116060.html

I have watched that 9-11 doco many times and its a brilliant doco. Both brothers survive, the chief of one of the FD's there says there was explosives in the WTC...

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 24):

Thats 100% Correct

I have seen the falling man video, its amazing, i think they found out it was a chef from the resturant " Windows of the World" (for those who dont know what it was, it was a very clear picture of a man jumping from one of the towers.) http://poly.chromatic.net/blog/wp-co...06/03/_archives_images_fall-tm.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCvOjFbeNzs - This is the naudet brothers footage.

What really freaks me out, is the conspiracy theories about the pentagon...

R.I.P the victims of September 11, you will be remembered.....
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:15 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
It was an AA B767 that hit the WTC tower, not a B752. Flight schedules for that day said B767, AA confirmed a B767, FAA confirmed a B767

AND Flight Attendant Betty Ong called American Airlines telling them that she was in the rear of the cabin in her jumpseat at door 3R!

There is no jumpseat at 3R on AA´s 757´s! In fact AA´s original 757´s (not the former TWA birds) have the overwing exits and then doors 4L and 4R!

Best regards

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:28 pm

If one watches that footage sober, will definitely see an AA plane smashing into the first tower. Now, if one decides to sniff some glue and drink some antifreeze, then a whole now revelation opens before his/her eyes. Missiles, super secret CIA agents jumping from invisible helicopters, high ranking officials from the Bush administration pushing red/green/yellow buttons that ignite all kinds of explosions..., blah, blah, blah, nonsense, nonsense...
Just ask Charlie Sheen.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:34 pm

Quoting F22KA (Reply 31):
If one watches that footage sober, will definitely see an AA plane smashing into the first tower. Now, if one decides to sniff some glue and drink some antifreeze, then a whole now revelation opens before his/her eyes. Missiles, super secret CIA agents jumping from invisible helicopters, high ranking officials from the Bush administration pushing red/green/yellow buttons that ignite all kinds of explosions.

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 14):
Ever stop to wonder how the camera with that picture would have survived the tower collapse, been found, and was in good enough condition to upload to the internet?

Also, this guy has a winter coat on, September 11, 2001 in NYC would have been fairly warm.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 2):
We'll Never Forget'

Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority here in the States already has
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:16 pm

In Airways Magazine, December 2001, you can see on page 20 and 21 all four airliners.
AA 11 767-200 N334AA; UA 175 - 767-200 N612UA; AA 77 - 757 N644AA; and UA 93 -
757 N591UA.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:57 pm

I remember the picture you are speaking of.

There was a Time-Life coffee-table book published about a year after the horrible date. "Never-before-seen" pictures (and I loathe using that term) were put in the book, including the picture of the AA Boeing 767 a split second from hitting the north tower.

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Could someone post which side of which buildings were hit, and from what direction, for those of us who are unfamiliar with the layout of the area? That might help us get closer to the opener's answer.

That particular picture was taken from a location SOUTH of the two towers, looking north, because the only visible portion of the airplane is the right wing, turned slightly up. The rest of the aircraft is hidden by the building. The video taken by the French film makers was taken from a location NORTH of the two towers, looking south. AA 11 was headed south, while United 175 had circled around and impacted the south tower while headed north.

Quote:
That actually wasn't amateur video ... that was a professional film crew filming a documentary on the fire department (they were following a new firefighter through his first months of training, then his probationary period on the job).

Through sheer circumstance, they had gone out with a crew from the firehouse they were filming in on a gas leak call.

While filming the process of checking for the gas leak they (and everyone else around them) heard the loud-as-hell jet engine sound and he pivoted up, and captured the 767 just as it impact the tower.

That is the image that everyone is, unfortunately, most familiar with.
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 2):
Memory's of the day not only was America but the WORLD was under attack by terrorist!!!
'We'll Never Forget'

I don't agree. While I have great sympathy for the people who lost their loved ones in that attack, the world was not under attack.

Terrorism by Al-Qaida and their allies continued and continues. New York was attacked, Madrid was attacked, London was attacked..

To say any one of them was an attack on the world more than the other is just not true. Terrorism happens, life goes on. We have gotten over the M11 and the people of London have gotten over the Underground bombings.

Perhaps Americans who have not gotten over 9/11 yet should do so. It has been five years already.

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting Je89_w (Reply 10):



Quoting HAL (Reply 11):

Heya, thanks for that. I really wasn't sure if it was fake or not, it to me did look genuine. Ohh well... I suppose most fakes are  Smile

Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 14):
Ever stop to wonder how the camera with that picture would have survived the tower collapse, been found, and was in good enough condition to upload to the internet?

Actually no, the reason is that a camera could have survived such a drop if it did fall. Also wasn't there a helicopter that airlifted some of the survivors from the top? They could've been on that.

Anyway that is just an explanation for no reason as the pic was fake :0

Thanks
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:24 am

PanAM747, thank you, that is the one im talking about. I haven't been able to find that anywhere.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:26 am

What a very un-informed comment! People from MANY nations were in the towers that day. Get over it you say?? If someone killed your family what would your reaction be to someone telling you to get over it??

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 40):
What a very un-informed comment! People from MANY nations were in the towers that day. Get over it you say?? If someone killed your family what would your reaction be to someone telling you to get over it??

Uninformed you say? Do you think there were only UK citizens in the Underground when the bombs went off? Do you think there were only Spanish citizens in the trains when the bombs went off?

Get over it I say, and who is to say that I did not lose anyone.

cheers

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 37):
I don't agree. While I have great sympathy for the people who lost their loved ones in that attack, the world was not under attack.

Terrorism by Al-Qaida and their allies continued and continues. New York was attacked, Madrid was attacked, London was attacked..

To say any one of them was an attack on the world more than the other is just not true. Terrorism happens, life goes on. We have gotten over the M11 and the people of London have gotten over the Underground bombings.

Perhaps Americans who have not gotten over 9/11 yet should do so. It has been five years already.

Touche, you're exactly right and by the way, Terrorism has existed since the dawn of time and will always exist as fundamentalist attacks on opposing ideals, it's an unfortunate fact of life.

America has been attacked at home and abroad by terrorists numerous times in the past 15 years and nobody talks about any of those. But, 9/11 is being marketed as the second holocaust, guess what? It isn't. Let's move ON...
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 38):
Also wasn't there a helicopter that airlifted some of the survivors from the top? They could've been on that.

They thought about helicopter rescues, but the amount of equipment on the roofs, as well as the huge smoke plumes made it impossible. I would also imagine there were ferocious air currents from the fires.

And even if they did manage to land, there was nobody to rescue : after the 1993 attack, they closed off the roof areas from any kind of public access.

Those people above the impact areas were well and truly trapped ... Sad

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 30):
AND Flight Attendant Betty Ong called American Airlines telling them that she was in the rear of the cabin in her jumpseat at door 3R!

There is no jumpseat at 3R on AA´s 757´s! In fact AA´s original 757´s (not the former TWA birds) have the overwing exits and then doors 4L and 4R!

Whats your point? She also said initially she was on Flight 12. Then corrected herself and mentioned flight 11.

I'm sure she was scared and the last thing on her mind was her seat number.
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 37):
Perhaps Americans who have not gotten over 9/11 yet should do so. It has been five years already.



Quoting Socalfive (Reply 42):
America has been attacked at home and abroad by terrorists numerous times in the past 15 years and nobody talks about any of those. But, 9/11 is being marketed as the second holocaust, guess what? It isn't. Let's move ON...

Yeah, let's just move on and pretend it didn't happen. Let's not do anything to honor those that died or do anything to try to prevent this from happening again. That has to be the most pompous thing I've heard since this happened. Pearl Harbor happened 65 years ago this December. I suppose we should get over that too and not commemorate that any longer.

Why is it that so many people from Europe seem to think they have the market cornered on things happening to them and Americans have no right to be mad or saddened by this?
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 14):
Ever stop to wonder how the camera with that picture would have survived the tower collapse, been found, and was in good enough condition to upload to the internet?

McFly...

Obviously a hoax....I believe the WTC observation deck was not even open to visitors at that time in the morning....

That aside, it was a very insensitive act on part of whoever did it.....making a joke out of such an event..... thumbsdown 
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 44):


Quoting L1011Lover, Reply=30:

AND Flight Attendant Betty Ong called American Airlines telling them that she was in the rear of the cabin in her jumpseat at door 3R!

There is no jumpseat at 3R on AA´s 757´s! In fact AA´s original 757´s (not the former TWA birds) have the overwing exits and then doors 4L and 4R!

Whats your point? She also said initially she was on Flight 12. Then corrected herself and mentioned flight 11.

I'm sure she was scared and the last thing on her mind was her seat number.

Actually, what Betty Ong said was "I'm #3" ... as in she's the #3 flight attendant. When asked where she was, she said at door 3R. There was some initial confusion because the operator thought she was a passenger, then realized she was part of the crew.

It's also VERY common for crew members to forget what flight they're on - remember, it's a very very busy, hectic job. You'll often see pieces of paper tapes to bulkheads with flight number, airplane type, captain/FO's names, home city for flight crew/cabin crew, all sorts of stuff.

They need it because all those trips blur together and it's hard to remember where you are or where you are going.

Add to that the turmoil of being in the middle of a hijacking -- and the fact that the hijackers were throwing the airplane all over the sky -- and it's no surprise at all the conversations were as disjointed as they were.

Edit : Dug up the transcript, and links to the recordings ...

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/911-ong-tape.htm

Selections from the Transcript :

Quote:
BETTY ONG: Number 3 in the back. The cockpit’s not answering. Somebody’s stabbed in business class and . . . I think there’s mace . . . that we can’t breathe. I don’t know, I think we’re getting hijacked.

MALE VOICE: Which flight are you on?

BETTY ONG: Flight 12.



Quote:
FEMALE VOICE: Okay, but what seat are you sitting in? What’s the number of your seat?

BETTY ONG: Okay, I’m in my jump seat right now.

FEMALE VOICE: Okay.

BETTY ONG: At 3R.

FEMALE VOICE: Okay.

MALE VOICE: Okay, you’re the flight attendant? I’m sorry, did you say you’re the flight attendant?



Quote:
MALE VOICE: What is your name?

BETTY ONG: Hi, you’re going to have to speak up, I can’t hear you.

MALE VOICE: Sure. What is your name?

BETTY ONG: Okay, my name is Betty Ong. I’m number 3 on Flight 11.

Now realize, she was calling reservations, so the people at that call center were NOT operations or anything, hence some of the initial confusion.

- litz
- litz

[Edited 2006-09-13 19:31:24]
 
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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:30 am

On the line of the fake photograph.

The AA plane hit on the tower that has NO access to the public, so it is unlikely, if not impossible for someone to be photographed there.

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RE: 911 First Plane Hitting North Tower Picture

Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 37):
Perhaps Americans who have not gotten over 9/11 yet should do so. It has been five years already.

I live close to NYC, and visit quite regularly. I grew up identifying the city by its skyline, in particular the World Trade Center and its two large towers.

Speaking only for myself, I can say that it is very hard for me to get over when, to this day, I'm reminded by an 11 acre hole where two gorgeous icons stood, and where thousands of people lost their lives.

Further, five years really isn't that much time, especially to recover from something so devastating.
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