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Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:56 am

I was randomly trolling through videos on flightlevel350 and happened to catch this. Since the use of cell phones on commercial aircraft is a frequent topic for debate/discussion around here, I figured that some of you may find this to be amusing.

About 38 seconds into the video you can clearly hear a cell phone ring and a male voice say "Hello?". A female passenger, obviously in close proximity to the person who made this film pipes up and goes: "Huh. Noooooo! That should be switched off. RIGHT NOW." This is particularly amusing given the fact that she is so close to someone who is using a videocamera (read electronic device) to film the takeoff. I doubt that the female voice is a part of the active flight crew as the video is being shot from around the center of the aircraft, and at this point the flight attendants would be seated and buckled up for departure.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...rica_West_Aviation_Video-7002.html
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:22 am

Mobile phones should be switched off, but electronic equipment as such doesnt affect aircraft avionics, its more a safety issue in the case of an RTO (Rejected Take Off).
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:31 am

Which was my point, neither of those items should technically be in use during takeoff. I guess she felt as though the cell phone posed to be more of an immediate threat to the aircraft whereas the video camera is just a distraction to the person who is using it.
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:34 am

OMG why would he even answer it...if in the rare experience that happened to me.....I would immediatly turn it off.
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting COEWR737 (Reply 3):
OMG why would he even answer it...if in the rare experience that happened to me.....I would immediatly turn it off

And that should be rewarded, if you forget to turn off your phone, fair enough, as lond as correct your mistake ASAP.
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:05 am

Oh brother. One ringing cell phone in this day and age isnt going to bring an airliner to its knees. I believe the rule exists so people on cell phones don't annoy other passengers. I highly doubt it actually interferes with anything in the cockpit.
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting SJC4ME (Reply 5):
Oh brother. One ringing cell phone in this day and age isnt going to bring an airliner to its knees. I believe the rule exists so people on cell phones don't annoy other passengers. I highly doubt it actually interferes with anything in the cockpit.

And to an extent you are correct, however, mobile phones signals have interfered with GPS signals, which, no, isnt a major problem. But if you consider people dont smoke on an aeroplane when asked, then why should they use a mobile when asked not to.
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:25 am

There was an episode of Mythbusters where they busted that myth. Their conclusion was, modern airliners are well-shielded enough to not suffer interference from a mobile phone. Interference or not, though, it's still the law and it should be switched off...
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:47 am

Like one of the above posters, I personally am in awe the the guy actually answered the phone. Any responsible person would turn their phone off once the announcement is made that the doors have been closed and the use of certain electronic devices is prohibited (and even more so if they did not turn it off and it were to ring after the fact). Regardless of whether or not you believe that a cell phone can interfere with the aircrafts' electronics suite (I don't believe that a cell phone would cause a disruption severe enough to bring a modern commercial aircraft down-though I have read that they can cause interference with some communications equipment), to me this man is simply showing utter disregard to the rules that are in place. But then again, so is the person using the video camera during takeoff or landing if you want to be technical. He is just using a device that doesn't quite have the "obnoxious" factor that many people are glad to escape from once they board a sealed tube for hours at a time.
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 7):
There was an episode of Mythbusters where they busted that myth. Their conclusion was, modern airliners are well-shielded enough to not suffer interference from a mobile phone. Interference or not, though, it's still the law and it should be switched off...

Don't know how they prove it but its simply not true! I've seen the effects of mobile phone interference 3 or 4 times and the problem definitely exists. The new 3G phones are powerful enough to cause some detrimental interference.
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:01 pm

The FAA says turn it off......so DO IT! If you're so important and connected that you can't remove yourself from your litle electronic toys then please take the train.

I had a guy last week not obeying the rules....and I always say Karma will get you. Well, we had to slam on the brakes pretty hard b/c some idot ramper almost drove right into us. Anywho, his little PDA flew out of his hand and into the forward galley and broke apart a bit.....enough that is was sure turned off when I picked it up.

STOW all devices and turn them off. NOT because everything will interfere, but b/c the aircraft should be as prepared as possible for an evacuation during taxi/takeoff/landing. Once we're up in the air it's fine to have those items out as long as the cell phone portion is turned off.

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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:23 pm

There was already a big thread about if cellphones affect airplanes or not.

This time, instead of arguing that, I'm going to go with WNCrew and just hammer in the fact that no matter what you think or what you want to do, it is against FAA regulations. People blow that off, but FAA regulations are Federal Law, and by not following them, its possible you're committing a felony.
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:16 pm

If you ask me, they should at least not be allowed for the comfort of other passengers (like smoking but less hazardous to one's health). When people have phones ring prior to landing or before takeoff (i.e. at low altitudes when phones work) I just want them to shut up because of two things: First, I'm trying to enjoy my flight, and second, it shows disregard for reasonable crewmember instructions. But yes, I agree it is more of an annoyance than a real danger to the flight.
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:15 am

But...ALL electronic devices are supposed to be turned off, that includes video camera. For some reason aviation enthusiasts feel it is acceptable to break this rule, hence the enormous amount of videos like this on MyTube and FlightLevel350
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 10):
The FAA says turn it off......so DO IT! If you're so important and connected that you can't remove yourself from your litle electronic toys then please take the train

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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:20 am

I wouldn't call a 737-300 a modern airliner - they have been around over 20 years now, the -300 series a LONG time before cell phone technology - i very much doubt the aircraft has been updated to 'shield' it....

We often have idiots on our flights who's mobile phone rings on taxi, and they ALWAYS answer as they are SUCH important people - durhhhhh...

It has been proven that cellphones/mobis can interfere with Autopilot and ATC instructions.......
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:45 am

Just to add on, there are no signal towers 7 miles in the air. You can't get service up there anyway, so might as well turn it off.
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:20 am

since we're on this topic.. how does a video camera or even a digital camera shooting in video mode affect the cockpit? I understand the cell phone rule and I turn it off once I hear the announcement is made that the front door is closed, and I check it one more time on push-back just to make sure that its off. but then I whip out the digital camera and start snapping away at pictures and/or movie during the flight. Now is that something bad in regards to using video, digital and regular cameras below the regulated feet of 10,000 where all electronic devices should be off. The only reason I could see this pose a threat is in case of an evacuation, these items could hinder your escape.

what's your opinion on the video, digital camera issue?
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 17):
regulated feet of 10,000

I thought that it was only the pilots wasnt aloud to engage in any activity other than flying the plane under 10000 feet.
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting SJC4ME (Reply 5):
the rule exists so people on cell phones don't annoy other passengers. I highly doubt it actually interferes with anything in the cockpit.



Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 16):
Just to add on, there are no signal towers 7 miles in the air. You can't get service up there anyway, so might as well turn it off.

Actually, the major reason for turning cell phones off in-flight has nothing at all to do with the airplane or its systems -- it has to do with the cell phone network on the ground!

At 7 miles above ground, your phone can not only see one or two cell towers -- it can literally see dozens of towers! This confuses the hell out of the the phone network.

As the plane moves through the air, the phone is "handed off" from cell site to cell site. The software that does this handing off was written with the assumption that the phone moves at less than 200 mph ("reasonable" speed of a moving car in, say, Germany). Once you start to exceed that speed, the phone switches get overloaded (they have too many handoffs in too short a period of time), and calls get dropped, etc. etc. etc.

Cell phones are very unlikely to interfere with the systems of the plane. If there were truly a safety concern, then the airlines wouldn't be working on rolling out "microcells" -- tiny little cell sites that are installed in the plane, and which relay your phone call to the ground-based network. This is coming to a plane near you in the next year or two.

I'm really not looking forward to having someone gabbing away on their cell phone within earshot.
 
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:28 pm

All electronic equipment should be switched off during takeoff and landing - phones, laptops, ipods, and VIDEO CAMERAS!!!

It's stupid to denounce the guy whose phone rang while the person who took the footage, and kept rolling all the way during takeoff, seems not to be bashed at all!

Anyone who has ever posted pictures or videos of planes taking off shot from inside the aircraft would already have broken the law.
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 11):
There was already a big thread about if cellphones affect airplanes or not.

This time, instead of arguing that, I'm going to go with WNCrew and just hammer in the fact that no matter what you think or what you want to do, it is against FAA regulations. People blow that off, but FAA regulations are Federal Law, and by not following them, its possible you're committing a felony

Just to play Devil's Advocate, the person filming this video is potentially committing a felony too. Crew member instructions include "all electronic devices must be off and stowed for takeoff and landing", though the video cameras can be used above 10,000 feet. I'm guilty of this too. I've shot a couple videos of taking off and landing, and have several photos as well. Fortunately, my camera at least has a wrist strap, so between that and me holding it with both hands, I don't think it's going anywhere if we have to brake hard. I didn't have any problems filming Apollo's Chariot at Busch Gardens either. I just held the camera on the top of the lap bar and it didn't go anywhere. Never once felt like I was going to lose control of it. Now if I can maintain control of the camera on a 70+mph roller coaster, I'm not too worried about controlling it on a plane.  Wink
Besides, me "theory" is that if we crash on takeoff or landing or at least get to experience an emergency landing or something, the FAA will be able to use my video to help solve the case.  Wink

Anyway, I'm undecided as to whether or not cell phones do interfere with the aircraft. Heck, back in June on a charter flight on a Chamion Air 727, I forgot to turn my cell phone off (I had it in my backpack, so I didn't even think about it, and upon landing in DEN, realized I left it on the entire flight.
However, I am very thankful they can't be used on the plane because the airplane is about the only place I know I won't have to deal with or listen to people running their mouths and shouting into their cell phones for hours at a time.
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RE: Video: Cell Phone Takeoff (Amusing)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:11 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 20):
Anyone who has ever posted pictures or videos of planes taking off shot from inside the aircraft would already have broken the law.

So pretty much everyone on this site then.
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