KingAirMan
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Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:39 am

I searched in the forums but couldnt find this topic ( i am NEW at this so apologize if i didnt do it right ) , But what is the starting salary for a regional airline pilot? Average salary, and so on . Benefits? etc.

Any pilot or pros who know, please inform me!

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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:44 am

There is an excellent answer in Tech Ops under "Pilots Pay Packet".
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:45 am

there is a great website that tells you many airlines wages: http://www.willflyforfood.cc/Payscales/PayScales.htm this website has many. you might have to do some math but you'll get the information.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:31 am

Go to Airlinepilotcentral.com. They have almost all of the major, cargo and regional pilot pay scales.
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:06 am

15k to 22k a year, typically. Airlinepilotcentral.com info is usually accurate but does not refect diffferences in work rules.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting KingAirMan (Thread starter):
Pilot Salary

Mine's on the government's website somewhere.

Not very impressive, I must admit.  scared 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 4):
15k to 22k a year, typically. Airlinepilotcentral.com info is usually accurate but does not refect diffferences in work rules.

Aircraft cleaners make more than 15K to 22K a year.
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:56 am

Low enough to qualify for food stamps.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Aircraft cleaners make more than 15K to 22K a year.

I am a CSA for DL and I only make 20K a year.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Aircraft cleaners make more than 15K to 22K a year



Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 7):
Low enough to qualify for food stamps

Sad but true. That is was most begining regional pilots make. And you wonder why pilots are so reluctant to give up pay later on.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:13 pm

This is why alot of starting pilots have second jobs. For all the schooling we go through and all the student loan debt we aquire the job just doesn't pay off for several long years.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:33 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Aircraft cleaners make more than 15K to 22K a year.

Not any of the ones I know, but I see your point.

Remember, pilots are not salaried, they are paid per "flight hour," usually brake off to brake on.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:17 pm

Not to really get off topic but my 2 cents if people were not willing to work in aviaiton for nothing, pilots F/A's and mechanics maybe it would not be in the state it is in today. The "glory" of aviation allows these CEO scumbags to get away with raping the employees of all these airlines because anyone is so willing to step into these jobs and they get disillusioned when they find out how it really is but the damage has already been done.
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Lucky42 (Reply 12):
The "glory" of aviation allows these CEO scumbags to get away with raping the employees of all these airlines because anyone is so willing to step into these jobs and they get disillusioned when they find out how it really is but the damage has already been done.

Accurate, but it won't get much mileage here. The bulk of the folks here think that airline employees, especially pilots, should work for little to nothing because "it is the best job in the world" and "they get to fly".
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 13):
Accurate, but it won't get much mileage here. The bulk of the folks here think that airline employees, especially pilots, should work for little to nothing because "it is the best job in the world" and "they get to fly".

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):

Remember, pilots are not salaried, they are paid per "flight hour," usually brake off to brake on.

Not at Mesa. If the flight is scheduled for 45 minutes and the plane is delayed coming in, you wait an hour, get on the airplane, there is a groundstop, wait another hour, then get to Chicago or wherever and you have to hold for WX, and the whole deal takes 3 hours. Guess what, you get paid for 45 min of time. Which, as a first year at Mesa, is a bit over what, $10.00 or so.
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 15):
Guess what, you get paid for 45 min of time. Which, as a first year at Mesa, is a bit over what, $10.00 or so.

This is why you get a wife to work while you're busy racking up hours and seniority.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 15):
Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):

Remember, pilots are not salaried, they are paid per "flight hour," usually brake off to brake on.

Not at Mesa. If the flight is scheduled for 45 minutes and the plane is delayed coming in, you wait an hour, get on the airplane, there is a groundstop, wait another hour, then get to Chicago or wherever and you have to hold for WX, and the whole deal takes 3 hours. Guess what, you get paid for 45 min of time. Which, as a first year at Mesa, is a bit over what, $10.00 or so.

Again kind of sums up my point about people working in this industry for peanuts for the "glory" of aviation or in this case a better paying job which will never happen the way things are going....
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:14 am

this is rather reassuring, maybe I should drop out of the flight program before its too late. hehe
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 16):
This is why you get a wife to work while you're busy racking up hours and seniority.

Amen! And that's why I'm dating someone in pharmacy school.  Wink

(And before anyone asks, NO, it's not about the money)

Quoting Squawk0303 (Reply 18):
this is rather reassuring, maybe I should drop out of the flight program before its too late. hehe

You could just do it the cheaper way, at your friendly local FBO, than paying out the *^$@*& for one of those fancy places...
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 13):
Accurate, but it won't get much mileage here. The bulk of the folks here think that airline employees, especially pilots, should work for little to nothing because "it is the best job in the world" and "they get to fly".

I figure the senior pilots are well paid for the times things don't go smoothly. 'Best job in the world' or not, thats a heck of a lot of resonsibility to shoulder at 37000 feet.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:43 am

"Not at Mesa. If the flight is scheduled for 45 minutes and the plane is delayed coming in, you wait an hour, get on the airplane, there is a groundstop, wait another hour, then get to Chicago or wherever and you have to hold for WX, and the whole deal takes 3 hours. Guess what, you get paid for 45 min of time. Which, as a first year at Mesa, is a bit over what, $10.00 or so."

Sorry . . . but that's only at MESA.

At every other airline I know of, you would get paid 3 hrs from parking brake release to parking brake set.

While RJ pilot pay is bad, MESA pay and treatment of its pilots is nothing short of a disgrace.

Joke's on MESA though. The majors are starting to dump them. Cheapest is always the better route.

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 19):
Amen! And that's why I'm dating someone in pharmacy school. Wink
(And before anyone asks, NO, it's not about the money)

Of course now we think your dating her for the drugs!  Smile

I don't how pilots do it, they go through soo much crap to get to the "good" job (usually). Hopefully the one thing it does ensure is that the person who gets to that "good" job really has a passion for flying and thereby is the better pilot (though I know that isn't completely true either).

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:25 am

This is a little off topic but compared to a regional pilot salary, how much would a Flight Dispatcher for the same airline make?

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:49 am

ASA dispatcher pay scale.

Year 1 $31000
Year 2 $33000
Year 3 $34000
Year 15 $51000

by the third year I made $42000 including overtime.

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 5):
Mine's on the government's website somewhere.

Not very impressive, I must admit.

Cry me a river!  Smile If you're a pilot in the military, the pay is certainly nothing to scoff at. You don't pay for medical, you get BAH for housing, you get BAS for food, you likely had your college paid for by the gov't, and you had your flight school paid for by the gov't. All the while...you're still getting your paycheck for whatever other expenses you have (and per diem anytime you fly on official orders).

I'm not attempting to flame you...you wear the uniform, so you're a brother to me! I'm just saying it's nothing like what regional pilots are going through who just graduated from ERAU or UND. I'm not a pilot, but all officers get paid the same base pay regardless of career field...in a few years as an O-3, I'll be making twice what I make right now. I challenge the average commercial pilot to say the same thing.

Ok, stepping off my recruiting stump now....

I don't have my PPL yet, but I hope to get stationed at a base next that has an Aero club. Right now, I'm trying to knock my master's degree (also courtesy of the government) out of the way. The military has been VERY good to me so far.

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 24):
ASA dispatcher pay scale.

Year 1 $31000
Year 2 $33000
Year 3 $34000
Year 15 $51000

by the third year I made $42000 including overtime.

TokyoNarita.

Is that in US funds? If it is, 42000US per year after 3 years with overtime seems quite good.
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
Aircraft cleaners make more than 15K to 22K a year.



Quoting N766UA (Reply 11):
Not any of the ones I know, but I see your point.

Remember, pilots are not salaried, they are paid per "flight hour," usually brake off to brake on.

Yes, but that is the salary for aircraft cleaners who are veterans, and they don't have benefits, etc. The other perk, of course, is that the only "flying" an aircraft cleaner could ever do is from the fumes of the chemicals they use on the job

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 16):
This is why you get a wife to work while you're busy racking up hours and seniority.



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 19):
Amen! And that's why I'm dating someone in pharmacy school.

(And before anyone asks, NO, it's not about the money)

And it's obvious that neither of you is married. Go ahead, get married, and see your money disappear faster than you can say "pharmacy school." And this does not include having to deal with the other issues of marriage. And yes, I'm married to the same woman going on 15 years. I just found it amusing to read something about marriage from someone who hasn't been there yet.

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:59 am

AirlinePilotCentral.com


Highest payed regional is Skywest follwed by Horizon. Skywest pilots on 1st year make 30K, junior Captains make about 70K, 10 year captains make around 100K. Lowest payed is MESA airlines, expect to make about 20K less than Skywest on same seniority levels. In summary, regional pilots can make from 20-120K per year.

[Edited 2006-09-15 21:07:01]
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Squawk0303 (Reply 18):
this is rather reassuring, maybe I should drop out of the flight program before its too late. hehe

Definitely drop out ASAP if you are doing it for the money.
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting SoonerLT (Reply 25):
I'm just saying it's nothing like what regional pilots are going through who just graduated from ERAU or UND.

True, but flying in the military is nothing like graduating from ERAU or UND.  eyebrow 

Quoting SoonerLT (Reply 25):
I don't have my PPL yet

Kinda negates your argument.  yes 

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 27):
And it's obvious that neither of you is married.

Hmm...tell my wife that.  crazy 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 28):
Highest payed regional is Skywest follwed by Horizon. Skywest pilots on 1st year make 30K, junior Captains make about 70K, 10 year captains make around 100K. Lowest payed is MESA airlines, expect to make about 20K less than Skywest on same seniority levels. In summary, regional pilots can make from 20-120K per year.

No. First year Skywest pilots make 17,100 per monthly guarantee, and 1st year junior guys don't have the kind of opportunities to rake in higher block than flown that more senior guys do, so something close to 17-20 is probably as much as you'll see your first year (that's what my buddy saw at Skywest his first year. Lucky for him his wife works).

120K is not in the "range" for regional pilots. It would take 20 years at skywest with a boatload of overtime (120hrs/mo.) to rake in that much. We're talking so much overtime you won't see home that much. Your average regional Captain will probably make anywhere from 50-75K a year, and that's after some years.

Sorry, kid. You're a little misinformed about the regional industry. If you are counting on making 120K at Skywest, Pinnacle, or wherever, you're in for a surprise. And Skywest is not on top of the pile in terms of pay and work rules. Theyre having some problems there, and theyre not unionized.

[Edited 2006-09-15 21:37:06]
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 30):
Kinda negates your argument.

I don't really see how. I don't have to BE a pilot to know how much they get paid, which was the gist of my post.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting SoonerLT (Reply 32):
I don't have to BE a pilot to know how much they get paid, which was the gist of my post.

No, but it helps to know what they have to go through to get where they are.

Likewise, it helps to know how much more is expected of a military pilot with very small increases in pay, compared to the jumps from first officer to captain in a lot of airline companies.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting SoonerLT (Reply 25):
I'm just saying it's nothing like what regional pilots are going through who just graduated from ERAU or UND.



Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 30):
True, but flying in the military is nothing like graduating from ERAU or UND.

Exactly.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 33):
No, but it helps to know what they have to go through to get where they are.

I have a pretty good idea. I'm the exec for an A-10 squadron.

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Likewise, it helps to know how much more is expected of a military pilot with very small increases in pay, compared to the jumps from first officer to captain in a lot of airline companies.

I agree, the responsibilities grow at a faster rate in the military than they do on the civilian side, but the pay also increases more frequently as well. On average, every 2-3 years military officers get base pay increases.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 16):
This is why you get a wife to work while you're busy racking up hours and seniority.

Agreed, I hear RP pays pretty good. What will pilots who fly the 190 make at US?

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 35):
Agreed, I hear RP pays pretty good. What will pilots who fly the 190 make at US?

Regional Pilot rates. The guys at US are practically already making regional rates ever since they got taken with their over 50% cuts and 11 year seniority layoffs (for those who don't know, U.S. Air is now an ALL captain airline. Every pilot there now used to be a captain before the layoffs).

[Edited 2006-09-15 23:42:05]
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:50 am

Hey get this, USAir EMB190 payscale is actually BELOW regional rates. You top out more flying the Brazilian at RP than at USAir. Holy cow!

RP 175/190 Captain: 109.0/hr with 75hr guarantee.
USAir 190 Captain: 95/hr with 72 hr guarantee.

[Edited 2006-09-15 23:53:33]
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:13 am

AFAIK, pilot salaries are pretty good, up there with doctors and other well paid professions.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 38):
AFAIK, pilot salaries are pretty good, up there with doctors and other well paid professions.

You must not know many doctors or lawyers. I know a lot because they're all in my family.

10 years ago, you could probably compare a 25-year 747 captain's salary to a decently paid attorney. But now, to say what you just said is very misinformed. It's a huge misconception that they make huge bucks anymore. I don't know how many doctors you know, Rolfen, but I know a lot. Almost every male relative of mine is a doctor of some sort, two of my students, and some of my friends. And none of them make less than a few hundred thou a year. In fact, one anesthesiologist raking in $500K his first year after fellowship when he joined on with a plastic surgery practice.

Now, 50%+ pay cuts, you cannot compare. I can make more as a longshoreman than a 757 Captain at USAir or American. And they have a way better Union, too. Union with balls.

You can make good money as an airline pilot after spending several years at one Legacy/Major/Cargo carrier. But not until you've significantly climbed the seniority ladder. Again, 10 years ago, maybe. But now, with no pensions and making 50% of what you used to make, there's just no comparison.

Def not the field to go into if you're looking for money. Much easier ways to make much more money.

[Edited 2006-09-16 00:25:29]
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:37 am

Is anyone ever imediately accepted into mainline, or do you have to go with regional first. How long do you usually have to stay in regional before you you can upgrade to Mainline.

Anyone ever accepted imeidiately into LCCs ? B6, WN.

I'm sure education has a large factor, ie. those with higher degrees. Does that play a major role in placement?

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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting COERJ (Reply 40):
Is anyone ever imediately accepted into mainline, or do you have to go with regional first. How long do you usually have to stay in regional before you you can upgrade to Mainline.

Anyone ever accepted imeidiately into LCCs ? B6, WN.

I'm sure education has a large factor, ie. those with higher degrees. Does that play a major role in placement?

Thanks- Aspiring pilot

No. We don't have cadet programs in the United States like I believe some European/Asian countries had or Have. I believe Lufthansa might have a certain cadet style education, but not sure.

In the U.S., as long as you meet the minimum requirements for a major, you can go. So if your folks are Bill Gates and you fly their Gulfstream around as PIC (Pilot in Command/Captain), and you rack up enough hours, you can apply to the majors/cargo/LCC's, etc.

Fact is, most of these airlines require a minimum of 1500 hours of JET PIC or somtehing along those lines. The only way to get those hours is if you fly for a regional airline or a corporate/charter type deal.

You stay at a regional or whatever timebuilding job (nowadays, regionals aren't as much of a timebuilding/stepping stone as it used to be. Many are now considering regionals a career) you have until you meet the minimum requirements for the next step.

If you're an aspiring pilot, you'll probably get some better advice and insight from places like http://www.flightinfo.com. You'll get good advice, and you'll pick up the cons of the industry from the negativity floating around there. There are several threads there asking the same question you have, and you avoid a lot of the armchair pilots/misinformed types you sometimes run into here.

[Edited 2006-09-16 00:59:23]
 
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 38):
AFAIK, pilot salaries are pretty good, up there with doctors and other well paid professions.

That's a joke. I earned more as an intern at an aerospace company than someone who has been flying regional jets for a few years. Starting salary in engineering for those that design the planes is usually in the $55,000-60,000 range and you'll be earning over $100,000 when you retire at any of the major aerospace companies. Designing the planes pays a whole lot more than operating them!
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 38):
AFAIK, pilot salaries are pretty good, up there with doctors and other well paid professions.

No longer the case in the US, never was for regional pilots.

Quoting COERJ (Reply 40):
Is anyone ever imediately accepted into mainline, or do you have to go with regional first. How long do you usually have to stay in regional before you you can upgrade to Mainline.

You may never get to a mainline. Even if you do, a mainline holds no promise of job security or stability. It used to be that you could treat most jobs as a stepping stone. Now you have to look at each as a long term possibility. Most pilots will never make it to the high dollar jobs. Aspiring pilots need to accept this reality and decide if this is still the road they want to go down.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:44 pm

I actually made then comment because of a table from this page:
http://www.bls.gov/emp/optd/home.htm

Thats from the U.S. Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics
It's actually table I-5 that gave me this impression, but it turns out I was mistaking "median" for "average". When sorted by "median income" in 2004, airline pilots were at the top of the list, with lawyers, doctors, and.... air traffic controllers.
But I cant tell how this relates to the average income of an airliner pilot.
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 31):
No. First year Skywest pilots make 17,100 per monthly guarantee, and 1st year junior guys don't have the kind of opportunities to rake in higher block than flown that more senior guys do, so something close to 17-20 is probably as much as you'll see your first year (that's what my buddy saw at Skywest his first year. Lucky for him his wife works).

120K is not in the "range" for regional pilots. It would take 20 years at skywest with a boatload of overtime (120hrs/mo.) to rake in that much. We're talking so much overtime you won't see home that much. Your average regional Captain will probably make anywhere from 50-75K a year, and that's after some years.

Sorry, kid. You're a little misinformed about the regional industry. If you are counting on making 120K at Skywest, Pinnacle, or wherever, you're in for a surprise. And Skywest is not on top of the pile in terms of pay and work rules. Theyre having some problems there, and theyre not unionized.

No sorry dude, youre missinformed why don't you get to know a few pilots before making idiotic reubuttals. And who said 120K at Pinnacle? I know someone at Skywest. First year the guy flew about 105 credit hours per month and with profit sharing every quarter, the guy took home 30k. Second year he is expecting to make almost double. Skywest has a lot of benefits and that is why they don't really car much about their "50 seat" pay and their 19 per hour first year pay. Also that 120K figure is taken from proffesional pilot magazine and their pay charts.

Sorry kid, I think you're a little missinformed. Stick to your pattern work.

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AirWillie6475
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 39):

Now, 50%+ pay cuts, you cannot compare. I can make more as a longshoreman than a 757 Captain at USAir or American. And they have a way better Union, too. Union with balls.

You can make good money as an airline pilot after spending several years at one Legacy/Major/Cargo carrier. But not until you've significantly climbed the seniority ladder. Again, 10 years ago, maybe. But now, with no pensions and making 50% of what you used to make, there's just no comparison.

Def not the field to go into if you're looking for money. Much easier ways to make much more money.

I agree with your last statement, this is not the type of job you go into for money, you have to love it. I don't agree with the rest, airline pilots are still one of the best payed fields. Those salaries you see at United/Us air will only be temporary untill they get some money. Southwest, Fedex, UPS, American pilots average about 100-350K per year. Only a small amount of doctors make more than 100K.

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AirWillie6475
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:26 pm

Quoting COERJ (Reply 40):
Is anyone ever imediately accepted into mainline, or do you have to go with regional first. How long do you usually have to stay in regional before you you can upgrade to Mainline.

Anyone ever accepted imeidiately into LCCs ? B6, WN.

I'm sure education has a large factor, ie. those with higher degrees. Does that play a major role in placement?

Thanks- Aspiring pilot

Not in the US, it's impossible now to go from training to a major airline job. In other parts of the world it is possible but it's because they don't have many pilots. In the US there are 600,000 licensed pilots, and smaller amount a re pro pilots, take your pick. That is why it's more competitive here. From what I have heard, expect to make regionals your career but you should be looking to move to better airlines after about 5 years or about 2000PIC time experience.
 
fspilot747
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 46):
Southwest, Fedex, UPS, American pilots average about 100-350K per year. Only a small amount of doctors make more than 100K.

I don't know how to say this politely, dude, but I'll try. You are so outrageously misinformed that it hurts to read what you write.

I only wish you were right.
 
AirWillie6475
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RE: Pilot Salary

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:56 pm

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 48):
I don't know how to say this politely, dude, but I'll try. You are so outrageously misinformed that it hurts to read what you write.

I only wish you were right.

Where did you go to school? When you don't agree with something you back it up instead of saying "dude" and other BS. What don't you agree with?

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