aero0729
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Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:46 am

Delta, Continental and Northwest (All part of SkyTeam) offer unlimited Complimentary upgrades. As a Delta Gold Medallion I have taken advantage of over 30 upgrades this year. US Airways just started unlimited upgrades. Does anyone think United will follow? I hate the segment upgrade system!
 
mymiles2go
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:52 am

I hope not. Upgrading can be challenging on some flights (even as UGS buying on last minute tickets). I wouldn't be that opposed to 'at the gate' unlimited upgrades however, at the 20 minute cutoff.
 
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Aero0729 (Thread starter):
Gold Medallion I have taken advantage of over 30 upgrades this year.

US Airways has had unlimited upgrades for years...even before DL had unlimited for all groups.

As for UA, I doubt it. The F atmosphere on UA is probably the best domestic F product out there, at least compared to NW/US/DL.
 
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:26 am

The upgrade system at UA is one of the key reasons I switched my alligence to CO in 2000. The differences were unbelieveable. UA can keep their "domestic F product" for all I care.

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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:35 am

When I was silver and Gold on DL they had the stupid segment upgrade system. Plus they wouldn't upgrade you if you had a cheap ticket. I switched to UA when they wouldn't give you full elite credit for a cheapier ticket. I was paying $500 and was only getting half credit. I switched to UA for this reason. DL got rid of that system after I lost my medallian status. I will be Premier Exec within the next couple of months. They just have the 500 mile segment upgrades. Out of 42 segments this year we were given a comp upgrade one time because another flight cancelled and they needed my seats. But at least I can sit in EP every flight. The real reason I have stayed with UA is Channel 9.
 
aero0729
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:53 am

I remember how bad Delta's Skymiles and Medallion program were back in those days, but now they allow upgrades in all fares and give atleast 100% MQM on all tickets. They are also putting more first class seats on more planes, out of MCO on United there are no FC seats on Ted. I hope they do to Ted what Delta did to Song. Get rid of Ted and change some upgrade polcies and I will give UA another shot!
 
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:54 am

I certainly hope not.

Not only will it dilute the program elite levels, but probably cause overall revenue decline for the airline.

Remember at the moment if you want to upgrade one must trade something in for that seat, whether its a upgrade certificates, miles or cash. Giving it away from free would mean the loss of such incremental revenue, plus the likelihood of people booking lower revenue classes knowing they would likely score a free upgrade. Why book domestic F or C classes when a Y fare can have you sit upfront for zero additional outlay? This could especially hurt with the many 3 class widebodies UA utilizes.

I think the UA, and matter fact AA program (eventough they offer free upgrades to EXPs) work fine. You want an upgrade, no problem, just pay for it somehow.
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aero0729
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:19 pm

When you fly 4 times a month, you do not want to have to pay every time. I fly Delta because I love the free upgrades, they secure their customer base! They still sell FC seats as well, but they also provide a great way for their most frequent travellers to never leave the airline. They have so many 767s and 757s with a good % of FC seats compared to coach, giving a high upgrade probability.
 
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:22 pm

What's interesting is that there seems to be two customer expectations that, if the airlines try to cater to them, are not economically viable in the long run:

  • The first is that customers expect to be able to pay ridiculously low fares (below the airline's cost in many circumstances) and receive something more than just a cramped seat from point A to point B.
  • The second is that frequent fliers - even loyal ones - expect that in addition to paying that low fare, they should be entitled to a nearly-unlimited stream of perks. The priority check-in, priority seating, lounge access on international flights, extra baggage allowance, priority baggage handling, mileage earning bonuses, etc. are not enough - that want unlimited free upgrades, too!


As a United Mileage Plus 1K, sure I'd love to have unlimited free upgrades. At the same time, I think United's policies strike a fair balance between recognizing and rewarding my loyalty, while practicing good business sense and not devaluing their premium product.

Oh, and for those people who would make a snide remark about United not offering a "premium" product, if you don't think it is a premium product then why are you so keen to have a free upgrade?
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:42 pm

UA offers confirmed advance upgrades (with e-certs) for both domestic and international travel to 1K's. I won't give that up for all the domestic free upgrades on DL/CO/NW.

Further, I can't stand the wait at the gate game, hovering at the podium, hoping an upgrade will clear. I like that on UA, both me and my companion on the same PNR will be upgraded in advance at the same time, according to whoever holds the higher (not lower) status.
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aero0729
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:45 pm

I hear United is swithing to lower quality in First, while Delta is upgrading everything, even the food. Maybe Delta makes less on their Elites than United, that makes it a better value for the customer. Since when do consumers care about how much they company is mkaing on their purchase? As a god consumer, you want the best you can get for your money. Delta has done a good job turning around and look, they are profitable even with the great new Medallion program that has so many upgrade perks. Even the Carribbean and some South America cities are uncluded. I will monitor what other airlines are doing, but for now Delta seems to have the most perks in its Skymiles Medallion program.
 
aero0729
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:02 pm

Let's not forget Crown Room. The Skyteam network of lounges is huge, and they all offer free open bar! No free open bar in Red Carpet Clubs  Sad Crown Rooms are also $50-$100.00 les expensive.
 
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RE: Will United Ever Offer Unlimited MP Upgrades?

Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting Aero0729 (Reply 10):
I hear United is swithing to lower quality in First

Can you explain what you heard and from who?
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