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NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:02 pm

Compass Airlines will soon become one of NW's regional carriers. Compass Airlines will have a fleet of 76 seat regional jets. The only destinations I know Compass will fly to is MSP and Washington Dulles. Does anyone else know where Compass will fly to? And what regional jet has 76 seats?
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:11 pm

Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Northwest Gets Ready For Launch Of Subsidiary - Compass

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/678313.html
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:41 pm

I like the way that James Oberstar described the way NW interacts with XJ, 9E, & Compass. It is so true, although it would be false to believe that this only occurs at NW. I also like how Wade Blaufuss, ALPA spokesman, included that bit about how ALPA "successfully negotiated" a clause into the new NW pilot contract so the furloughed NW pilots got preferrential treatment to take jobs at Compass. Successfully? Yeah right. Do they actually think they are going to get too many? NW tried to recall pilots for the month of October. They had to send out about 6 times as many letters as the amount of pilots they wanted.

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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:32 pm

Does anyone know what the livery will be like?
Will it be just like NW, but with compass titles?

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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:50 pm

Could it be the E-175 perhaps? The E-170 however, accomodates 72 pax, all coach.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 2):
They had to send out about 6 times as many letters as the amount of pilots they wanted.

Yeah but like I said in an earlier thread there are people who will work in this industry for no pay....But the pilots who have the right stuff are now going to UPS and FedEx and are shying away from the pax carriers.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
And what regional jet has 76 seats?

The CRJ-705(basically a CRJ-900 in dual class) accomadates 75 in 10F/65Y. The Embraer 175 seats 78 in 6F/72Y. My bet is that it will be the CRJ-705 with an extra seat.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 6):
My bet is that it will be the CRJ-705 with an extra seat.

NW has long been leaning towards the EMB series. Especially with the likelyhood of the E190/195 going to be put into mainline.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:30 pm

I doubt there will be a different paint scheme on NW's other regional carrier Compass Airlines. I' ve never seen the regional jets say Mesaba Airlines or Pinnacle Airlines in the new scheme and old scheme. But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:18 pm

My bet is for CRJ-900. Because dont they have money from a deposit for crjs they were getting anyway for their regionals? They'd be fools to not.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8):
I doubt there will be a different paint scheme on NW's other regional carrier Compass Airlines. I' ve never seen the regional jets say Mesaba Airlines or Pinnacle Airlines in the new scheme and old scheme. But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.

ah Af773, our MSP local expert. RJ's operated by both Pinnacle AND Mesaba DO exist in both the new and old paintschemes. There are both new and old scheme CRJ's operated by 9E. There are both new and old scheme Avros operated by XJ. There are even new and old scheme Saabs operated by XJ. However, the two CRJ's that were delivered to XJ were delivered in the new paint scheme. And I see them every day at MSP. And I even used to work with all these airplanes, in person!
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:32 pm

They say compass will fly 50 seats for now. I really don't get this whole compass thing, why don't they just give the flying to Pinnacle or Mesaba. I think this whole thing was designed just to keep the mainline pilots happy.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 8):
But there will probably be one paint scheme that says Compass Airlines with a compass on it.

This isn't a spearate airline, it's just an airlink partner. The colors will be the same as pinnacle and Mesaba.
 
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Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:22 pm

Even though a quick search at the US Patent office will show a logo for Compass that looks like the NWA logo, I believe that Compass will still be operating as Northwest Airlink, meaning the aircraft will be just the same as the ones flown by Mesaba and Pinnacle:


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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:09 pm

Sometimes the best thing is to do a google search  Smile

Look what I read on wikipedia:

"Compass Airlines is a new subsidiary to Northwest Airlines to be launched during the 4th quarter of 2006 flying a single Bombardier CRJ-200 between Minneapolis/St. Paul and Washington Dulles. During the concept phase, the subsidiary was known as "NewCo".

Compass was formed due to a contract dispute between Northwest and its pilot's union. Due to the scope clause in the pilot contracts, the number of mid-sized jets operated by the airline was limited. In order to avert this problem, Northwest bought the operating certificate of defunct Independence Air on March 10, 2006, for $2 Million, in order to establish a new feeder airline. It is speculated that Compass will operate Embraer E-195s, although the Bombardier CRJ-900 is also under consideration. These aircraft will help to replace the aging DC-9s and lower the cost per available seat mile.

While the order and delivery of these aircraft are pending, a single CRJ-200 will remain in service to preserve the airline's operating certificate."
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting JBo (Reply 12):
a logo for Compass that looks like the NWA logo

And a very boring logo it is. They seemed to use Arial Black font over the standard NWA logo. I know some JH students who could design that...Wonder how much it cost them?

I was actually hoping it would look more like a compass with the arrow facing NW.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:31 pm

Semi On Topic...
I have been looking for a set of pictures on the MSP ramp that shows NW looking at the CRJ-705 and the EMB-170/175. I know someone posted a link to flickr or another photo service, and was wondering if anyone has the link...

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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 11):
They say compass will fly 50 seats for now. I really don't get this whole compass thing, why don't they just give the flying to Pinnacle or Mesaba. I think this whole thing was designed just to keep the mainline pilots happy.

Because they bought the operating certificate of I-Air, thus, hey can't give it to Mesaba or pinnacle.

Quoting JBo (Reply 12):
I believe that Compass will still be operating as Northwest Airlink,

Yes, it will be a wholly owned subsidary, like Pinnacle used to be.

Quoting Flightlover (Reply 13):
It is speculated that Compass will operate Embraer E-195s, although the Bombardier CRJ-900 is also under consideration.

Wikipedia is wrong. Compass can't operate anything larger then the EMB-170 series. The E-190/195 has too many seats and those will in mainline. 76 seats max for airlink carriers. Anything over that must be mainline.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:47 am

No wonder when I look at AC 190's it doesn't say jazz or any of its other regional carriers. I would like to see NW order the E 190. But the CRJ 900 is fine.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:56 am

ATW Daily News

Northwest to chart new course with Compass, releases February results
Friday March 31, 2006
Northwest Airlines expects to have its new Regional carrier, now named Compass Airlines, up and running by June, based on a filing with the US Dept. of Transportation asking DOT to transfer Independence Air's operating certificate to Compass. NWA acquired defunct Independence Air's certificate earlier this month.Northwest asked its pilots union last fall for permission to create a wholly owned regional subsidiary under the working name of NewCo that would operate 70-seat regional jets (ATWOnline, Oct. 14, 2005). "To operate at a profit, we must invest in these aircraft and we must do so quickly," President and CEO Doug Steenland told employees in January. "We have a need for these aircraft."

A company spokesperson would not comment on the aircraft selection process, but according to DOT filings and press reports, Northwest is eyeing CRJ900s or Embraer 175s as the choice for the Compass fleet. NWA pilots are in the process of ratifying an agreement that will permit Compass to operate 76-seat RJs using pilots furloughed from the mainline. The Associated Press reported that the new carrier could have as many as 36 jets flying within five years.

Separately, Northwest in its monthly report to the bankruptcy court said it lost $496 million in the month of February, including $431 million in Chapter 11 reorganization-related expenses. Excluding the impact of special charges, the carrier's loss was $65 million. Comparisons with the year-ago period were not provided, but NWA lost $458 million in the first three months of 2005, or $440 million excluding special charges, an average of $147 million per month.

February 2006 operating revenues totaled $889 million while expenses reached $919 million, resulting in an operating loss of $30 million. Labor costs totaled $215 million and fuel expense was $238 million. Of the $431 million in bankruptcy-related charges, $400 million was related to restructured aircraft lease/debt charges and $25 million from aircraft rejection charges.

NWA is trying to cut $2.2 billion in total expenses from its annual budget through its bankruptcy restructuring while reducing debt and lease obligations by $4.2-$4.4 billion.

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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 10):
ah Af773, our MSP local expert.

If he's our expert, than MSP might close and all international traffic relocated to DLH.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 14):

And a very boring logo it is. They seemed to use Arial Black font over the standard NWA logo. I know some JH students who could design that...Wonder how much it cost them?

I was actually hoping it would look more like a compass with the arrow facing NW.

My guess is the logo on the Patent Office site is likely a rough draft. Look at any logo on there and you'll see all the images are pretty rough.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:42 am

NWA EMB190 Order (by Favre May 3 2006 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:47 am

Does anyone know if NW is thinking of replacing mainline service to TUS with the Compass brand. Would this be out of range for the RJ? They normally have one flight a day from MSP; during the winter months often two.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 22):
Does anyone know if NW is thinking of replacing mainline service to TUS with the Compass brand. Would this be out of range for the RJ?

Based on this http://tinyurl.com/oeomj
and http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/english/content/ejets/emb_195.asp and http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/english/content/ejets/emb_175.asp I think MSP-TUS 1298 mi is within the reach of both E175 (1,800 nm Range) and E195 (2,100 nm Range).
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:27 pm

Thanks JANO for the link. From where I work I usually can see the NW silver Airbus landing each morning. Except for AA, WN and F9, all other airlines use mainly RJs for their TUS service.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 24):
Except for AA, WN and F9, all other airlines use mainly RJs for their TUS service

Don't forget B6! They will be/are using 320.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:04 pm

Does anybody know what NW will use for their LAN service? Will it be a mix of Compass and mainline, I would love to see the EMB series in Lansing.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:40 pm

When will people stop assuming Wikipedia is the only source for knowledge and that it is always accurate? It has been proven wrong time and again on many wide topics, not just aviation. You can't expect something where anyone can post to it to be 100% correct. That would be like accepting every post on every thread on a.net as the gospel truth, and we all know how that works!
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 22):
Does anyone know if NW is thinking of replacing mainline service to TUS with the Compass brand. Would this be out of range for the RJ? They normally have one flight a day from MSP; during the winter months often two.

I would be surprised. I fly it monthly, year-round, and it is always full. And with the prices they get, it has to be a big money maker. When the loads go down a little they just put on a 319, instead of a 20.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:04 am

Does anyone know where the initial CRJ is coming from? XJ might be a decent guess, but I don't know.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 24):
Thanks JANO for the link. From where I work I usually can see the NW silver Airbus landing each morning. Except for AA, WN and F9, all other airlines use mainly RJs for their TUS service.

UA has an A319 from PHX(don't see the point of this flight) and IAD(starting oct), AS has their daily 734 from SEA, and HP/US have an A319 from PHX.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting DocChaos (Reply 15):
Semi On Topic...
I have been looking for a set of pictures on the MSP ramp that shows NW looking at the CRJ-705 and the EMB-170/175. I know someone posted a link to flickr or another photo service, and was wondering if anyone has the link...

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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:18 am

COERJ145
Thanks for the reminders of the other mainline aircraft. The UA flight you mention continues on to IAD. It will be interesting to see if this flight continues when the non-stop begins.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:54 am

I just can't help thinking that NW is going to replace a lot of it's domestic service with Compass. Cities like GRB/LAN/TVC/BIS/ - smaller cities that NW has mainline service - I just think it's all going to go to Compass. I see NW keeping longer flights like LAX/SFO/SEA - I can see the EMB 195 going to SAN/SNA - I think you will see less and less of mainline service and more and more Compass service. I see this as NW's way of sticking it to their employee's - can't lower cost - then replace the flying.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:50 am

The many many threads about what NW plans to replace the DC-9's with has been answered. Compass Airlines, low wages, etc. If Delta dumps Comair, perhaps Compass can hire their people.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 33):
I can see the EMB 195 going to SAN/SNA - I think you will see less and less of mainline service and more and more Compass service. I see this as NW's way of sticking it to their employee's - can't lower cost - then replace the flying.



Quoting Milesrich (Reply 34):
The many many threads about what NW plans to replace the DC-9's with has been answered. Compass Airlines, low wages, etc.

Compass will have ~35 E170's.. this will simply be an Avro replacement.

The E190 will be the DC-9 replacement, and it will be flown at NW mainline.


So the claims of.....

"NW plans to replace the DC-9's with has been answered. Compass Airlines, low wages, etc"

and

"see this as NW's way of sticking it to their employee's - can't lower cost - then replace the flying"

Simply aren't true.

NW still has a relatively small percentage of their flying done with 70 and 50 seat regional aircraft, when compared to airlines like US, UA, DL, etc.
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 33):
I just can't help thinking that NW is going to replace a lot of it's domestic service with Compass. Cities like GRB/LAN/TVC/BIS/ - smaller cities that NW has mainline service - I just think it's all going to go to Compass.

Why would cities that support 125 seat 319s or -9s go to 76 seat Compass?
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:54 pm

TVC will always have mainline service as long as NW is around. The demand is there, especially in the summer months. They were filling A320's this summer.

If the unfortunate happens, and NW ceases operation, Im sure UA or AA will begin mainline service to TVC.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:16 am

Cities like GRB and TVC could be in danger. Are the flights ALWAYS full to these places or are they at 80% LF? If that is the case than a 76 seat plane might replace it.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:38 am

Acidradio is a pretty good source too - don't downplay him for anyone else - he usually knows what's going on, and handles all sorts of small planes when I fly into MSP

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Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 38):
Are the flights ALWAYS full to these places or are they at 80% LF? If that is the case than a 76 seat plane might replace it.

A lot of these cities have airbii. They'd have -9s if the l/fs weren't so good. NW has always matched capacity and demand well. Plenty of city pairs see 9E and airbii. That's just how things shake out. I doubt there will be many exclusively Compass stations, especially in the short term as there were no ARJ-only stations.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 40):
I doubt there will be many exclusively Compass stations, especially in the short term as there were no ARJ-only stations.

OKC was all avro for about a year.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:11 am

Will Compass launch their own website and get assigned their own codes?
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:28 am

Mesaba and Pinnacle have their own websites so I would think Compass would.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Lucky42 (Reply 5):
Yeah but like I said in an earlier thread there are people who will work in this industry for no pay

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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 33):
I just can't help thinking that NW is going to replace a lot of it's domestic service with Compass.

I can see that. Make NWA the mainline heavy domestic and International. Give Compass the point-point routes and thin but lucrative Hub-point routes. Pinnacle and Mesaba handle the hub to minor/rural point routes. I am no expert or not on the inside but such a scheme would certainly free up money to invest in better mainline services and create equity in case NWA hits another snag.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:08 pm

Compass will probably replace PWM, maybe BGR here in New England. PWM gets a mix of DC9s, and CRJs, while BGR just gets CRJs. If compass has a F/C lets hope they replace BOS-MEM cause 3hrs in a CRJ looks like hell. Maybe they'll bring back MEM-TUS. That flight is still listed under NW's worldtraveller magazine route map.
 
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 41):

OKC was all avro for about a year.

You know, I spent 15 minutes of my life thinking about my statement, and I guess I didn't think hard enough. It was all three hubs, too, wasn't it?
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:04 pm

Thinking about where the 76 seaters will go, it will probably work something like this.

First, cities like OKC, where much of the ARJ flying was replaced with 9E, will see Compass. This gets capacity back to previous levels and, perhaps more importantly, returns a premium cabin to these markets. Keep in mind that unlike on uber-differentiated UA (ExPlus vs. some CR7s), there won't be 75 seaters with all-Y.

Second, Compass will show up on routes where that's the appropriate capacity. It could be a turn to CLE or BNA or DSM or really anywhere. These will change with the NW schedules, just like a lot of the ARJ flying always did.

And once these are done, there will be some expansion. I anticipate that much of it will occur in established markets where there is F demand but not enough for mainline. Looking at routes with a lot of mainline to some hubs and none to others might provide a clue. For example, it is frequently difficult for silvers to upgrade on CLT-DTW, but CLT-MEM is all 9E. It's a route like that where the expansion will occur. Much of this will likely be at MEM. There are two reasons for that. First, MEM has more 9E flying proportionally than the other two hubs. Second, MEM can't really add capacity by adding frequencies, at least not until there's the critical mass for a fourth bank. So for the time being, growth there will be with a/c changes.

Of course, we don't have a delivery schedule, so we have no idea how long this will take to play out. And while I've included hypothetical city pairs, there are plenty of others. Like I said before, though, don't look for wholesale replacement of mainline flying, and don't look for stations that are 100% Compass.
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RE: NW Gets Ready To Operate Compass Airlines

Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 29):
Does anyone know where the initial CRJ is coming from? XJ might be a decent guess, but I don't know.

It did come from XJ. My understanding is that N601XJ is sitting at IAD.

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 41):
OKC was all avro for about a year.

True, but it was still a mainline station. I haven't heard anything about Compass doing ground handling. Rumor in DTW is that the retired NWA managers that XJ brought in to run the DTW regional operation are sporting Compass badges. NWA may be moving to protect the operation if XJ goes belly up.

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